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Personally I think both an infrastructure attack and a hate crime mass shooting are bad and wish we didn't live in a society hellbent on normalizing christian fascism. Namaste.
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maffew buildings posted:Personally I think both an infrastructure attack and a hate crime mass shooting are bad and wish we didn't live in a society hellbent on normalizing christian fascism. Namaste. It's not just that it was an organized infrastructure attack, it's that it was also designed to shut down an othered group, making it a hate crime. It's not a huge leap to imagine this group turning their rifles on human targets. THAT'S the scenario I'm especially dreading.
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Dec 4, 2022 18:10
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And if they're coordinated enough to hit multiple substations at once, they're coordinated enough to just add another set of shooters to go after the human targets while emergency services are otherwise occupied by the blackout.
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Dec 4, 2022 18:31
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This is going to be an easy crime to solve, though. Because who, aside from an electric company employee is going to know which substations power which areas and how many youd need to disable to depower that area.
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Dec 4, 2022 18:46
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My Spirit Otter posted:This is going to be an easy crime to solve, though. Because who, aside from an electric company employee is going to know which substations power which areas and how many youd need to disable to depower that area. Lots and lots of nerds and other grognards who are into that stuff. Does three phase still post?
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Three phase is an industrial electrician or industrial electrical engineer, i forget which, but he's directly involved with the industry. Yea, i guess i kinda did forget about industrial electricians, but unless youre very familiar with grid, you dont know for sure how many substations you'd need to take out, as who knows if they have redundancies there for whatever reason. Especially in urban areas where underground cabling is common.
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Dec 4, 2022 18:56
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pantslesswithwolves posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack It truly is frightening. Even cyber poo poo is frighteningly insecure, too. So much so that people could cripple oil pipelines, ports, or water systems with ease. It's hosed up.
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Dec 4, 2022 18:57
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RFC2324 posted:Lots and lots of nerds and other grognards who are into that stuff. No, he's been gone for a few years now. I miss his posts.
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Dec 4, 2022 19:00
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Midjack posted:No, he's been gone for a few years now. I miss his posts. Same. I always knew I was in for a good read
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Dec 4, 2022 19:01
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That’s a pretty serious operation with a lot of participants. Someone’s gonna poo poo their pants and squeal once they realize how hosed they gonna be with full blown terrorism charges.
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Dec 4, 2022 19:21
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My Spirit Otter posted:This is going to be an easy crime to solve, though. Because who, aside from an electric company employee is going to know which substations power which areas and how many youd need to disable to depower that area. Anybody with google maps and some familiarity with the area. Don't really need perfect knowledge of which feeder supplies the target if there's only 2 or 3 for a few miles around and you have the capability to hit all of them.
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Dec 4, 2022 19:37
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It's also been a known vulnerability to small unit and singleton operations; I first learned about them in old Paladin Press books. It was highlighted by every 'expert' post 9/11. It's been taught to how many servicemembers, either by academics or deployments. It's a shock that it's only happened as little as it has.
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Dec 4, 2022 20:17
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Near my apartment someone shot up some power infrastructure, at least a whole block had no power throughout the morning. Not sure what the motivation for that was. The gunshots woke me up at like 4am.
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Dec 4, 2022 20:22
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Mustang posted:Near my apartment someone shot up some power infrastructure, at least a whole block had no power throughout the morning. Not sure what the motivation for that was. The gunshots woke me up at like 4am. Maybe they were trying to keep the property values low. Avoid gentrification.
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More info from this xpost from TFR’s LGBTQI threadLiquid Communism posted:So of course, the Colorado Springs fucker getting stopped hasn't slowed down anything: It’s good that there’s a burgeoning left-wing gun culture built around the principals of community self defense and mutual aid; it’s bad that they’re 50 years behind the fascist terrorists.
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Stultus Maximus posted:I know that the DNC is the root of all evil and so on but I'm pretty jazzed to see them finally tell Iowa to shove their corn dogs up their asses. After how bad the Iowa Dems hosed up last time it's not surprising. I was at my precinct's caucus for that and while we all saw the results, the state party dragged out announcing until it was irrelevant and the ratfucking was done. Edit: Oh hey, I see my post above. Yeah, poo poo's getting even more hosed, lotta wanna-be Operators turning out in Proud Boy colors to this poo poo and as usual, cops being conpiciously absent. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Dec 4, 2022 |
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TheWeedNumber posted:Maybe they were trying to keep the property values low. Avoid gentrification. That's definitely not working out too well then, most of the homes near where I live are listed at over a million on Zillow. And they all basically just look like average houses.
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I have an adopted grandma who lives in North Carolina and she was sending me articles. The 'organizer' (I am taking a liberty by calling her that but read the poo poo and tell me I'm wrong) posted on Facebook that it was God's will that the power get shot up and the drag show had no power. They (the Drag show) instead had everyone turn on their phone flashlights and sang Beyonce's 'Halo' and kept the show going. https://www.westernjournal.com/apparent-coordinated-attacks-substations-cut-power-40000-americans/ https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/04/us/power-outage-moore-county-criminal-investigation/index.html My grams stated that, supposedly, it was in retaliation for the seditious conspiracy conviction on Stewart Rhodes
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Not that I'm doubting humans would be lovely enough to shoot up the power grid to specifically stop a drag show, but idiots have been taking pot shots at various utilities on and off for a long time. Did someone step forward and claim responsibility for it or is everyone assuming its related because of protests in the area..?
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bulletsponge13 posted:It's also been a known vulnerability to small unit and singleton operations; I first learned about them in old Paladin Press books. It was highlighted by every 'expert' post 9/11. It's been taught to how many servicemembers, either by academics or deployments. It's a shock that it's only happened as little as it has. Local lunatic shooters have refrigerators and internets that they like to use too.
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Liquid Communism posted:Edit: Oh hey, I see my post above. Yeah, poo poo's getting even more hosed, lotta wanna-be Operators turning out in Proud Boy colors to this poo poo and as usual, cops being conpiciously absent. I'm not sure why you and others are saying they're conspicuously absent. They look pretty there to me. The joke is that the cops are also the fascists.
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Defenestrategy posted:Not that I'm doubting humans would be lovely enough to shoot up the power grid to specifically stop a drag show, but idiots have been taking pot shots at various utilities on and off for a long time. Did someone step forward and claim responsibility for it or is everyone assuming its related because of protests in the area..? They hit multiple substations in the same afternoon and 'intenionally vandalized' in Moore county. The local Jan 6th lady who knows all the Oathkeepers in Southern Pines is posting about the drag show being an affront and the power is out to stop the abomination...like it takes some reading between the lines...but not much? of how south NC is going to report on white supremacists domestic terrorism with soft ball reporting. If you are generally just unsure if white supremacists are feeling emboldened in America currently well buddy I don't know what else it will take to convince you? I appreciate the trust but verify but it seems all the buzz is pointing that way because the responsible parties aren't exactly hiding their admiration if not culpability. https://twitter.com/TheSGTJoker/sta...agenumber%3D122 My grams was in Walgreens buying flashlights the next town over and overheard some yeehaw types saying they "can't wait and if the shopkeepers don't watch out they're next." Some racist poo poo, it is grim in North Carolina. I am real sad my in-laws and her all moved out there during COVID. at least my in laws are starting to carry and take this poo poo seriously. But moving from CA to NC is just such a culture shift for them I'm worried about how it's going to keep changing as they get older. stackofflapjacks fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Dec 4, 2022 |
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TheWeedNumber posted:Maybe they were trying to keep the property values low. Avoid gentrification. lol drat depressing property values, lucky they didn't receive the death penalty
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My Spirit Otter posted:This is going to be an easy crime to solve, though. Because who, aside from an electric company employee is going to know which substations power which areas and how many youd need to disable to depower that area. Lots. Consultants, disgruntled former employees, people who can read a loving map. We're a relatively open society, a lot of this can be pulled from ArcGIS infrastructure maps on municipal websites.
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My Spirit Otter posted:She was only a corporal in the military, so im assuming VAC is gonna come back Even the military is subject to Valve Anti-Cheat. 
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stackofflapjacks posted:They hit multiple substations in the same afternoon and 'intenionally vandalized' in Moore county. The local Jan 6th lady who knows all the Oathkeepers in Southern Pines is posting about the drag show being an affront and the power is out to stop the abomination...like it takes some reading between the lines...but not much? of how south NC is going to report on white supremacists domestic terrorism with soft ball reporting. let's assume the popular theory is correct and that the substation attacks were a political act. seeing how easy and effective this was, what's stopping similar-minded people from doing it to substations serving blue cities across the country?
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pmchem posted:let's assume the popular theory is correct and that the substation attacks were a political act. seeing how easy and effective this was, what's stopping similar-minded people from doing it to substations serving blue cities across the country? not much!
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pmchem posted:let's assume the popular theory is correct and that the substation attacks were a political act. seeing how easy and effective this was, what's stopping similar-minded people from doing it to substations serving blue cities across the country? The distribution of like minded actors and awareness of local police and utility workers of the threat. So almost nothing. Err also there is the severity and effectiveness of the FBI investigation thats about to start. If they hammer these fucks then I imagine the whole process will seem less attractive as a point of attack.
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Platystemon posted:Even the military is subject to Valve Anti-Cheat. Gotta get out Value Added Content
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Grip it and rip it posted:The distribution of like minded actors and awareness of local police and utility workers of the threat. So almost nothing. They prayed on it and boys will be boys, there's not going to be any investigation if you read between the lines.
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pmchem posted:let's assume the popular theory is correct and that the substation attacks were a political act. seeing how easy and effective this was, what's stopping similar-minded people from doing it to substations serving blue cities across the country? Nothing. I hate to be that guy, but there is literally nothing that can be done to stop a planned and organized attack. Sites are spread out, vulnerable. You can harden the site, but that's still limited by design. You can provide armed guards, which do nothing to stop long range fire. That's discounting that we would have internal threats among the staff. This could be the new normal.
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slurm posted:They prayed on it and boys will be boys, there's not going to be any investigation if you read between the lines. I don't believe that is the case for the feds. Everything I've read suggests there is going to be a full investigation and at the vety least a fall guy Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Dec 5, 2022 |
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What's the anarchist solution to a handful of activated radicals amongst a broader group of heavily-armed, Christofascist militia attacking broadly distributed critical infrastructure? Seems like a problem best suited to a high-level, professional investigative agency endowed with the legitimate use of force.
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If people keep doing this, then they will say some incriminating poo poo, and then they'll get rolled up by the FBI/Marshals. US CBP already fields MQ-9s, it's a paperwork drill to so equip the other federalis.
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Maybe we will get some new brutalist buildings for new substations in the near future. Or at least castle walls to prevent shooting from the roadsides.
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Cugel the Clever posted:What's the anarchist solution to a handful of activated radicals amongst a broader group of heavily-armed, Christofascist militia attacking broadly distributed critical infrastructure? Seems like a problem best suited to a high-level, professional investigative agency endowed with the legitimate use of force. Not an anarchist, but I'm missing where one came into this thread making what they think (lol) relevant. Crab Dad posted:Maybe we will get some new brutalist buildings for new substations in the near future. Or at least castle walls to prevent shooting from the roadsides. Hell yes.
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Bring back the moat n bailey
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Why would anyone look for an anarchist solution for anything? They are a group who has regularly been swept aside by opposing forces of every different stripe for centuries. The Spanish civil war was perhaps their most notable assembly of forces, and that conflict resulted in Franco ruling for his entire natural life.
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Grip it and rip it posted:Why would anyone look for an anarchist solution for anything? Down with big government!!! Waitasec.....
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Im a socialist so I love big government
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