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Somaen posted:Sure, he's no saint like everyone has their faults, Nemtsov was a cooler guy. I'm just arguing for disliking actually held beliefs he might have as a distinct politician and not a made up golem of beliefs of russian liberal nationalism Well, here I am actually disliking him for working on organising two marches that as a Latvian I view better than straight up neo-Nazi only because there was just one prominent incidence of swastika flags reported from the 2006 parade. Or for being smug as poo poo about Crimea and Russian cultural dominionism less than 10 years ago, as a 40 year old career politician who is probably past the point where his political beliefs or world view are in flux. I still support and wish well to his organisation, the rest of the popular opposition “establishment” in Russia, and the man himself as an enemy of my enemy type of thing, but I consider myself to be anti-Putin much more than pro-Navalnyi. As for the backhanded racism quip, I’m very pro-immigration as a baseline on almost any topic, and he’s anti-immigration, which I’ve come to view anywhere as an expression of xenophobia first, rather than some bleeding heart concern about foreign citizens. Maybe more specifically to your point, iirc he wanted to defund Caucasus for being “poorly managed” (who was managing it, hello?), but that’s something I would need to look up as well. Overall, I simply am guarded in regard of his affiliations with the Russian March. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Dec 6, 2022 |
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Somaen posted:That's all from over a decade ago though and ignores the evolution of the person and what he did and said after, which is generic liberal policies as an alternative to and in the context of an increasingly authoritarian corrupt state. Nationalists and imperialists don't hide their poo poo views and actively try to signal them to attract similarly minded people. Navalny notably supported BLM even though it pissed off a lot of nationalists and liberals, because he understands solidarity with the oppressed class having enough no matter their race or ethnicity. I think the point is that the opposition in a kleptrocratic state doesn't select for having the best policies, it selects for being able to endure the system doing it's best to make you disappear which might be obvious but I've seen too many "He was no angel so the entire opposition is discredited" takes over the years.
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i say swears online posted:last I checked he got mad about the mobilization draft and suggested the civil service should be rolled into the military or something I don't know what a vague recollection is supposed to prove, getting mad about the mobilization and the war sounds like him though FishBulbia posted:https://twitter.com/Alexey__Kovalev/status/1599456499759054848 It was a targeted campaign by influence networks same ones that normally post dunks on Putin but during specific events get used for smears and targeted narrative setting, including against Zelensky and Navalny's smart voting. There's an explainer here https://mobile.twitter.com/antibot4navalny/status/1375814258139656194 cinci zoo sniper posted:less than 10 years ago, as a 40 year old career politician who is probably past the point where his political beliefs or world view are in flux. I don't think we'll find common ground if you don't think that significant events that happened in a person's life can shift their politics Arzachel posted:I think the point is that the opposition in a kleptrocratic state doesn't select for having the best policies, it selects for being able to endure the system doing it's best to make you disappear which might be obvious but I've seen too many "He was no angel so the entire opposition is discredited" takes over the years. Yes exactly, I'm assessing the opposition that exists and the real people involved, there's no point in wishing for the perfect socialist dissident that will lead us to the future with his wisdom and an untarnished union organizing past. The thing with Navalny is that the Kremlin spent significant resources to dig up his skeletons to make him unpalatable to support by Western liberals and there's not much out there besides the nationalist stuff from a decade ago that doesn't jibe at all with words and actions for the past years so I hope he comes out alive and does good things in the near future Somaen fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Dec 6, 2022 |
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The problem with your argument is that North and Eastern Europe* countries bordering to Russia aren't ever going to rally behind someone who has historically been OK with the wars of conquest and belittling the sovereignty of the bordering countries. Yes, we have seen those people and it always ends up the same way. Unless Russia provides a leader that actually has an agenda to stop those land-grabs, reforms the country, and ends the constant openly aggressive policies, including social media influence and hostile investments* towards its neighbors, it does not matter what that person's internal policies are. EDIT:* Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Dec 6, 2022 |
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Somaen posted:I don't think we'll find common ground if you don't think that significant events that happened in a person's life can shift their politics It’s fine to simply disagree, even though I’m not sure if it’s that important here, as I can and do support plenty of people I dislike, him included. And no, I don’t think that people in general can’t shift their politics. I just think it’s very difficult to make adults believe into something they don’t want to believe, and that he’s a no ordinary adult, for the purposes of this opinion I have. To me, Navanyi has done nothing to challenge the idea that he is a chauvinist, simplifying, and I’m unaware of anything that could’ve challenged his beliefs of “Putin bad” (not that this needs be challenged, to be clear) and “Russia great” with a force significant enough to overcome his ability to hold a belief. Yes, he disagrees with Putin’s war, and I’d applaud to him for that, but he’s also disagreed with literally anything else Putin has done, and right after the annexation of Crimea was unabashed in his refusal to acknowledge Ukrainian culture or national identity. In a way, it feels even unfair to talk about his foreign policy views, since he’s basically running on a single-issue domestic policy platform, but oh well. A democratic, open Russia is a large enough issue, for once. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Dec 7, 2022 |
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I guess, to get ahead of the question, I have no plans to consider liking him individually, until he publishes an explainer of his current views on the status of Crimea, Ukraine, Belarus, and the “Russian World”.
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Apparently the official who revoked Dozhd's licence used to be a bit of a Putinhead himself. https://theins.ru/en/news/257609
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Paladinus posted:Apparently the official who revoked Dozhd's licence used to be a bit of a Putinhead himself. See, NEPLP has historically had a bunch of suits like that, moaning about “Russian-speaking hordes”. It’s very, very difficult for me to believe that they would lead series of formal discussions in Russian.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:See, NEPLP has historically had a bunch of suits like that, moaning about “Russian-speaking hordes”. It’s very, very difficult for me to believe that they would lead series of formal discussions in Russian. Well, what would be the alternative? They conducted them in Latvian, Dozhd' had an intepreter, but at some point just asked to switch to Russian because they had an epic imperialist moment? Clearly, they had to communicate with NEPLP before to get their license and I imagine there are some regular meetings they have to attend, and everything was fine with those meetings until it wasn't for some reason.
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Paladinus posted:Well, what would be the alternative? They conducted them in Latvian, Dozhd' had an intepreter, but at some point just asked to switch to Russian because they had an epic imperialist moment? Clearly, they had to communicate with NEPLP before to get their license and I imagine there are some regular meetings they have to attend, and everything was fine with those meetings until it wasn't for some reason. I mean, what would be the explanation for a bunch of xenophobes presiding over the institution that killed Russian television in Latvia to suddenly start to routinely break the state language law, with very real penalties very aggressively dispensed by the hovering helicopter that the state language centre is - they just happened to like these Russian foreigners wishing to run a Russian TV channel that much more than the local Russian speakers? Now, I’m not a lawyer, but our laws are easy enough to read, and there are only a few possible configurations here: 1. NEPLP must not hold any business in a foreign language 2. NEPLP may hold business in a foreign language and must provide an interpreter service in Latvian 3. NEPLP may hold business in a foreign language with no special requirements (unlikely, since they represent public interests) Just for a laugh, I’ll send a formal inquiry to the state language centre, so that they explain to me what language NEPLP is allowed to use and when. In any case, the outcomes are: 1 - Giant political shitstorm for the parties seen responsible for the NEPLP composition, in addition to fines, and possible probation of taking up executive roles for the individual councillors involved. 2, 3 - Dozhd’ can likely sue them for damages, and/or revocation of the annulment of their broadcasting licence. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Dec 6, 2022 |
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Hah, that would actually be very interesting to know. Is there a law in Latvia on public inquiries that regulates how long officials can take to respond? \/\/\/ Nice! Paladinus fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Dec 7, 2022 |
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Paladinus posted:Hah, that would actually be very interesting to know. Is there a law in Latvia on public inquiries that regulates how long officials can take to respond? Indeed, there is the “Inquiries law” specifying this. If it’s not an inquiry they can reply to, they must let me know within 7 days that they’ve rejected or forwarded it elsewhere. Otherwise, the reply must come “reasonably soon”, and must take no longer than 1 month in any case. And yeah, I’ve sent it already.
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Der Kyhe posted:The problem with your argument is that North and Eastern Europe* countries bordering to Russia aren't ever going to rally behind someone who has historically been OK with the wars of conquest and belittling the sovereignty of the bordering countries. Yes, we have seen those people and it always ends up the same way. The internal politics reflect on their willingness to follow through with those good things and what kind of people they'll surround themselves with In any case that's fine and all but in we'll probably run into the practical problem that the allies after ww2 faced in that you had people who worked with the Nazis or were dead and you need someone to run the country so compromises come as a necessity [quote="cinci zoo sniper" post=""52823549"] To me, Navanyi has done nothing to challenge the idea that he is not a chauvinist, simplifying, and I’m unaware of anything that could’ve challenged his beliefs of “Putin bad” (not that this needs be challenged, to be clear) and “Russia great” with a force significant enough to overcome his ability to hold a belief. Yes, he disagrees with Putin’s war, and I’d applaud to him for that, but he’s also disagreed with literally anything else Putin has done, and right after the annexation of Crimea was unabashed in his refusal to acknowledge Ukrainian culture or national identity. In a way, it feels even unfair to talk about his foreign policy views, since he’s basically running on a single-issue domestic policy platform, but oh well. A democratic, open Russia is a large enough issue, for once. [/quote] Yeah agreed. I'm not here to convince anyone to like him just to be clear, I'm trying to get your angle(s) and seeing if there's any background info I'm missing
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Estonia has deported a pro-Kremlin publisher listed for years as a Russian influencer-agent. Well, not physically deported as he was in Moscow at the time, conveniently. He runs baltija.eu and Baltnews. https://twitter.com/kaitsepolitsei/status/1600448023435169793
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https://lvportals.lv/skaidrojumi/347127-ari-netiess-atbalsts-agresorvalsts-armijai-valsts-drosibas-konteksta-nav-pielaujams-2022 Legal analysis to answer the question "has Dozhd' actually broken Latvian law", if you feel like braving a pile of Latvian legalese with https://www.deepl.com/translator
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Also, apparently the interpreter complaints have been about October, and happened randomly during a meeting, rather than with any at all advance warning? https://zinas.tv3.lv/latvija/sabiedriba/ja-gribas-meklet-blusas-dozdj-kazoka-tihons-dzjadko-tv3-zinam-verte-licences-atsauksanu-kanalam/
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://lvportals.lv/skaidrojumi/347127-ari-netiess-atbalsts-agresorvalsts-armijai-valsts-drosibas-konteksta-nav-pielaujams-2022 The article mentions that the Latvian Association of Journalists called the decision of the NEPLP to cancel the licence disproportionate. Are they a well-respected organisation?
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Paladinus posted:The article mentions that the Latvian Association of Journalists called the decision of the NEPLP to cancel the licence disproportionate. Are they a well-respected organisation? Yeah, it's the main industry representative for journalism in Latvia. RSF is also calling our government out. Hell, at this rate, NEPLP won't even end up being the least liked Latvian public institution in all of this – PMLP is looking into deporting Dozhd' staff to Russia. I wish I was kidding.
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In other news, apparently the Baltics have been told to get ready to replace all railroad tracks with the European gauge.  https://www.lsm.lv/raksts/zinas/lat...artiem.a485540/ Plans for transition must be written by 2025-2026. Edit: Also, someone poisoned Saakashvili. https://www.euractiv.com/section/europe-s-east/news/georgias-ex-leader-saakashvili-poisoned-in-prison-doctors/
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Yeah, it's the main industry representative for journalism in Latvia. RSF is also calling our government out. Does it seem like the rise in government xenophobia is due to the previous (and terrible) elections, or is it too soon after them to make such a claim? This is a really bad look for the government and seems very short-sighted. I have no idea what they're trying to achieve. Having even a somewhat anti-Kremlin news source available to the Russian speaking population seems hugely beneficial.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:In other news, apparently the Baltics have been told to get ready to replace all railroad tracks with the European gauge. Lol after railbaltica connects the capitals to Poland what railway will there even be left with the Belarus transit gone This has much weirder implications for Spain and their extensive network on the Iberian gauge
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Somaen posted:Lol after railbaltica connects the capitals to Poland what railway will there even be left with the Belarus transit gone What are the implications for Spain?
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Elizabeth Cluppins posted:Does it seem like the rise in government xenophobia is due to the previous (and terrible) elections, or is it too soon after them to make such a claim? These events do not constitute a noteworthy rise in government xenophobia. However, the election has certainly emboldened NA in general, including the affiliated institutions with political appointees, as they now are representative of the majority in the ruling coalition.
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Elizabeth Cluppins posted:Does it seem like the rise in government xenophobia is due to the previous (and terrible) elections, or is it too soon after them to make such a claim? While the war has certainly emboldened the usual suspects, I'm sad to say this is about the expected amount of xenophobia. Although, unlike the petty poo poo VVC pulls every now and again, this might have actual consequences.
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Mokotow posted:What are the implications for Spain? Assuming this is true: EU transport ministers agreed in Brussels that every member state that has a railway network different from the European gauge should develop a plan for its transformation by 2025-2026. Spain would have to replace all of its Iberian gauge with the European gauge and their rail network is well developed with high speed trains running from Madrid to other parts of the country, it would be very expensive to replace all that. It's not related to this thread but everyone loves trains so I'll share if I find anything related to this. Baltic-Iberian train trips would be rad
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Somaen posted:Lol after railbaltica connects the capitals to Poland what railway will there even be left with the Belarus transit gone I’m not confident in this, but it feels like there’s an implication of severing rail ties with Russia and Belarus at all.
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Somaen posted:Assuming this is true: Your assumption is true indeed, it seems. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/meetings/tte/2022/12/05/ Unanimous vote, with 1435mm plans for 2025-2026 for not just Baltics, but also Spain and Portugal, Finland, and Ireland. Optional extension mulled for Moldova and Ukraine. The document also explicitly downgrades last-mile Russia/Belarus interconnect from “core” (ready for 2030) to “comprehensive” (ready for 2050).
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Somaen posted:Assuming this is true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Spain#/media/File:Red_actual_de_ferrocarriles_de_Espa%C3%B1a.svg
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I like trains. It's good that there's movement to make more train happen, and especially trying to fix international connections. With a more robust network you can also replace a ton of flights, especially short-haul domestic ones. So there's even more reason to go all-in on trains.
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Antigravitas posted:I like trains. It's good that there's movement to make more train happen, and especially trying to fix international connections. There were news about that as well - France has been allowed to ban short domestic flights on routes serviced by trains. France wanted to ban more flights than they were allowed to, but it’s a start.
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It's just stupid af that EU is trying to cram their lovely gauge even to Finland and Ireland, as if a Dublin-Helsinki connection will become reality that way.
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Somaen posted:Assuming this is true: Thanks! I imagine the Spanish construction industry will be chomping at the bit and hope to reignite the 80’s road construction boom, and I’m sure the EU will kick in. The Russian train situation is interesting - up until February, there was a direct train from Moscow to Berlin and Vienna via Poland. On the Belarusian border they’d lift the carriage from the bogey and swap it with a Euro-gauge bogey. You can do this for any classic pax or cargo carriage. It doesn’t work for high-speed trains, though. This got me to thinking - why does Eastern Poland have euro gauge tracks? AFAIK the train network east of Warsaw was built in the 2nd part of the XIX-th century when everything there was a part of the Russian zabór. The actual switching point between gauges should be weat of Łódź, on the Prussian/Russian zabory border.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:There were news about that as well - France has been allowed to ban short domestic flights on routes serviced by trains. France wanted to ban more flights than they were allowed to, but it’s a start. In Italy certain flight routes went unprofitable due to easy access to HSR. I'm all for it.
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Mokotow posted:Thanks! I imagine the Spanish construction industry will be chomping at the bit and hope to reignite the 80’s road construction boom, and I’m sure the EU will kick in. Doesn’t make economic sense to have 2 gauges in 1 country imo, unless it’s like “normal gauge” and “high speed gauge between cities”.
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Mokotow posted:This got me to thinking - why does Eastern Poland have euro gauge tracks? AFAIK the train network east of Warsaw was built in the 2nd part of the XIX-th century when everything there was a part of the Russian zabór. The actual switching point between gauges should be weat of Łódź, on the Prussian/Russian zabory border. It's the one investment that anyone has made into Eastern Poland after ww1.
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Nenonen posted:It's the one investment that anyone has made into Eastern Poland after ww1. I need to start calling it something else, because every fuckin time… West Polesie?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Doesn’t make economic sense to have 2 gauges in 1 country imo, unless it’s like “normal gauge” and “high speed gauge between cities”. We’re kinda in that situation now. The gauge is the same throughout Poland, but our high-speed trains can only run on the north-south route - Tricity-Warsaw-Cracow-Rzeszow. Turns out high-speed trains are not as bendy and every train line needs to be adjusted. Hence the trip from Warsaw to Berlin takes 6 hours either by car or train, because that route has not yet been upgraded (incidentally I took this train this morning, it sucks balls, don’t do it). Anyhow, back in XIX-th century every partition built their train track system separately - thus this popular map, which is still up to date for the most part. 
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Dwesa posted:Spanish high speed rail lines were already built in standard gauge I didn't know that, thanks! Still, lots of rail on the Iberian gauge to replace
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Mokotow posted:We’re kinda in that situation now. The gauge is the same throughout Poland, but our high-speed trains can only run on the north-south route - Tricity-Warsaw-Cracow-Rzeszow. Turns out high-speed trains are not as bendy and every train line needs to be adjusted. Hence the trip from Warsaw to Berlin takes 6 hours either by car or train, because that route has not yet been upgraded (incidentally I took this train this morning, it sucks balls, don’t do it). If you want a 6-hour train route that really sucks, Rēzekne-Rīga used to have an early morning option through a St. Petersburg - Riga train, which would take that long for 240 km.
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