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But in the Real Life the Vikings are 10-2.
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SirPablo posted:But in the Real Life the Vikings are 10-2. Might wanna start warmin' up your 3 key now.
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tinstaach posted:God help me but I'm slowly leaning toward taking Anderson/Carter with the Rams pick and a CB with their own, and a project QB later on. I've been an unwavering Goff Hater since the day the trade happened, but even with his limitations it's demonstrably true that Goff + a healthy Swift and ARSB + some warm bodies is a pretty frickin' good offense, so in terms of marginal utility improving the defense would result in more wins than improving the offense. The team as it is now is already in the wild card if they could stop the Eagles in Week 1 or the Seahawks in Week 4 even a single time The team has proven they can win with Goff and a dog poo poo defense. Make the defense average and who knows. Losing ben Johnson if he goes may be a big hit though. He seems to understand what Goff can do pretty well. At least muscle coach seems to understand that including players in play design and game planning is a good thing and working to their strengths is also good.
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MJeff posted:Might wanna start warmin' up your 3 key now. 13-2?
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I should mention that Plan A is of course to sign Lamar Jackson, then kidnap Ben Johnson's family and threaten to do horrible things to them if he leaves for a HC job, then everything falls into place and you win the NFC Of course much like the Vikings everyone everywhere will call them frauds until the day they win the Super Bowl, and probably for a good bit afterwards too while I'm dreaming
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MJeff posted:Might wanna start warmin' up your 3 key now. They can't be 13-2 until much later though?
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SirPablo posted:But in the Real Life the Vikings are 10-2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBiQIeNKQNY&t=40s
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Watching Lions fans talk themselves into keeping Jared Goff for the medium-term rather than using the top-5 pick they were gifted to get a top QB prospect has been a fascinating development. Not saying they should pick a QB just to pick one, but if the team is at all sold on any of Stroud/Young/Levis they absolutely need to pull the trigger on getting their guy and then hope you don’t draft that high again for a decade+
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As a Lions fan, every time I see someone with that take (edit: Don't take a QB in the draft) I get a knot in my stomach and a sense of utter dread. Because it seems like the sort of galaxy-brained move the Lions might actually do. If they end the year with a Top 5 pick plus another 1st, which seems fairly likely, I think they have to go QB with one of their 1st rounders. Unless they work out some sort of insane tag-and-trade deal with the Ravens for Lamar,, of course. Q_res fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Dec 7, 2022 |
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tinstaach posted:God help me but I'm slowly leaning toward taking Anderson/Carter with the Rams pick and a CB with their own, and a project QB later on. I've been an unwavering Goff Hater since the day the trade happened, but even with his limitations it's demonstrably true that Goff + a healthy Swift and ARSB + some warm bodies is a pretty frickin' good offense, so in terms of marginal utility improving the defense would result in more wins than improving the offense. The team as it is now is already in the wild card if they could stop the Eagles in Week 1 or the Seahawks in Week 4 even a single time Goff puts a ceiling on the team that they will hit in the playoffs. He’s fine until he isn’t and then he’s really bad. Like “score zero points” bad. I’m also not really convinced that the “throw a bunch of draft picks at it” approach actually works to fix defenses. Usually if a defense is really bad it’s because the coaching is really bad.
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xbilkis posted:Watching Lions fans talk themselves into keeping Jared Goff for the medium-term rather than using the top-5 pick they were gifted to get a top QB prospect has been a fascinating development. Not saying they should pick a QB just to pick one, but if the team is at all sold on any of Stroud/Young/Levis they absolutely need to pull the trigger on getting their guy and then hope you don’t draft that high again for a decade+ They have a top 5 scoring offense right now with Goff and a bottom of the barrel defense. I know an analogy was made with Dalton and Burrow earlier on but the problem with that is....nobody in this draft is Joe Burrow. Every time I say I'm done with Goff and I want the Lions to get a QB no matter what this offseason, he turns around and plays how he did in that Jags game. Which was really good, but, y'know, it was the Jags. I don't know what the answer is and I don't envy the people who have to make the decision. 
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That's a really good take on Goff, he's good enough to make you think he's the answer. Usually a couple games later he'll make you think, "What the gently caress was I thinking?!!?"
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Bumhead posted:The best thing about the international audience is that every team is represented, and people are extremely passionate and loyal about the teams they've picked. I'm 42, and I can never remember being as sad about a result as finding out the Lions got stomped by Washington in the 1991/2 NFC title game... in a newspaper on the Tuesday after the game
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Watching that game (as an 11 yo who thought Barry was basically God) was way worse.
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yeah, you always take the loving QB lol. Defenses you can buy, or deal with a bad one, if you have that guy none of that poo poo matters. Especially if that guy is on a rookie deal.
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mercenarynuker posted:As far as the British in this thread goes, I've only seen 3 Lions fans I'm a Brit Bears fan, got into NFL through a friend who is a mad keen Vikings supporter and vaguely followed them for a few years before getting really into the Bears. No idea why as they've been various shades of bad to dire in the time I've followed them, but I'm invested in their games in a way I'm not for other teams. It's fun to have a friend supporting a divisional rival but the smack talk has been a bit one sided lately
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YOLOsubmarine posted:I’m also not really convinced that the “throw a bunch of draft picks at it” approach actually works to fix defenses. Usually if a defense is really bad it’s because the coaching is really bad. Example 1: The Green Bay Football Packers
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Dexo posted:yeah, you always take the loving QB lol. This. The Panthers spent all 7 picks on defense in 2020 and their 2019 and 2021 first rounders were also on defense and they are still in the bottom half of the league and they’ll probably ship half of them off next year when the new coach wants to bring in his guys. If they’d spent one of those picks on Justin Fields maybe they’d be showing signs right now.
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Party Boat posted:a mad keen Vikings supporter lmao
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As a lions fan I'm not sold on any of the qbs, but if they decide to draft one I'll trust it as so far this regime has shown they draft well.
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Scipiotik posted:As a lions fan I'm not sold on any of the qbs, but if they decide to draft one I'll trust it as so far this regime has shown they draft well. Case in point: https://twitter.com/LionsPR/status/1600511821106089988?t=7vJl__QIc-609H9xqs5qcw&s=19
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Party Boat posted:I'm a Brit Bears fan, got into NFL through a friend who is a mad keen Vikings supporter and vaguely followed them for a few years before getting really into the Bears. No idea why as they've been various shades of bad to dire in the time I've followed them, but I'm invested in their games in a way I'm not for other teams. It's fun to have a friend supporting a divisional rival but the smack talk has been a bit one sided lately da bears
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tinstaach posted:God help me but I'm slowly leaning toward taking Anderson/Carter with the Rams pick and a CB with their own, and a project QB later on. I've been an unwavering Goff Hater since the day the trade happened, but even with his limitations it's demonstrably true that Goff + a healthy Swift and ARSB + some warm bodies is a pretty frickin' good offense, so in terms of marginal utility improving the defense would result in more wins than improving the offense. The team as it is now is already in the wild card if they could stop the Eagles in Week 1 or the Seahawks in Week 4 even a single time ah man, i dunno. I was pretty accepting of Goff early on tbh, and willing to give him a chance based on the final stretch last season and the early returns of the offense. But his magical ability to lay a fat turd every few weeks is just convincing me that even if the Lions managed to get into the playoffs, he'd cock it up immediately. But I'm also not convinced of Stroud's ability after that Michigan game... so I guess I might humor this? My biggest worry about QB is that Dan Campbell, as much as I love him, seems to be getting louder about his unwavering support of Goof. I might be wrong but i'm concerned that it's not just a talking point for the media, and that he wants to ride-or-die with Jared. Obviously it's not his decision on who the team picks in the draft, but I imagine his voice matters somewhat to Brad Holmes and management, and the last thing I want is the team to feel like QB is a solved problem. Maybe I'm being irrational, but I just don't want the Lions to revert back to a rotating carousel of QBs before we drafted Stafford. Those years with Harrington/Kitna/Culpepper etc. were just so unpleasant to watch week-to-week.
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Apples McGrind posted:ah man, i dunno. I was pretty accepting of Goff early on tbh, and willing to give him a chance based on the final stretch last season and the early returns of the offense. But his magical ability to lay a fat turd every few weeks is just convincing me that even if the Lions managed to get into the playoffs, he'd cock it up immediately. But I'm also not convinced of Stroud's ability after that Michigan game... so I guess I might humor this? Goff just basically played a perfect game, Campbell has to show unwavering support for him. I mean even if Goff was playing poorly, you show support for your guy until he's not your guy anymore.
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I don't get the Richardson hype. Watched a lot of Florida football and he's just not that good. Also starting to think the Bears should just draft Carter if he's available. The top EDGE would of course be nice, but how often does a player come along at tackle that looks to be as gifted as Carter?
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Famous last words: https://twitter.com/christomasson/status/1600613117678985235
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If the Lions are content with riding Goff for one more season, they could draft Hendon Hooker and let him rehab for a year before playing him. Not sure how far that guy drops because of his torn ACL, but he’d drop far enough that you don’t need to use the Rams pick on him that’s for sure.
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Niwrad posted:I don't get the Richardson hype. Watched a lot of Florida football and he's just not that good. I bet his RAS score will be high, don't let Brian Gutekunst see him.
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Apples McGrind posted:ah man, i dunno. I was pretty accepting of Goff early on tbh, and willing to give him a chance based on the final stretch last season and the early returns of the offense. But his magical ability to lay a fat turd every few weeks is just convincing me that even if the Lions managed to get into the playoffs, he'd cock it up immediately. But I'm also not convinced of Stroud's ability after that Michigan game... so I guess I might humor this?
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WARM SEASON'S GREETINGS TO YOU ALL FROM MENARD'S
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gloom posted:Not to say the latter is impossible, but so far they seem to be on the same page over there. There was a post earlier itt that seemed to be criticizing the Holmes/Campbell connection which I thought was odd since everything I've seen in the past near-2-years has indicated that they're cooperating excellently.
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TITTIEKISSER69 posted:WARM SEASON'S GREETINGS TO YOU ALL FROM MENARD'S I hope every building they own burns. Thatll make it warm.
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SKULL.GIF posted:There was a post earlier itt that seemed to be criticizing the Holmes/Campbell connection which I thought was odd since everything I've seen in the past near-2-years has indicated that they're cooperating excellently. There's a certain genre of Lions fan that have had their brains permanently broken by decades of failure. They fully believe that everything the team does is a collosal mistake, and nothing will get very until the Ford family sells the team and/or the team moves to, say, San Antonio. They are a sad species, one to be pitied, and are mostly found in Facebook comment sections and calling into 97.1 But yeah everything that's been reported indicates that Holmes and Campbell are very much on the same page, have been since both were hired, and work together extremely well.
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Bird in a Blender posted:If the Lions are content with riding Goff for one more season, they could draft Hendon Hooker and let him rehab for a year before playing him. Not sure how far that guy drops because of his torn ACL, but he’d drop far enough that you don’t need to use the Rams pick on him that’s for sure. The Lions should absolutely not draft a 25-year-old rookie quarterback with a torn ACL holy gently caress Like I’d rather them not trade up for their QB but if it has to happen I’d prefer that to taking Hooker and having him sit for as long as Jamo did before even maybe knowing if he’s any good
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