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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


Finally Germany has achieved its final form: It's illegal to distribute Nazi propaganda and not to distribute Nazi propaganda.

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tristeham
Jul 31, 2022
germany has not been denazified successfully

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



tristeham posted:

the world has not been denazified successfully

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.

tristeham posted:

germany has not been denazified successfully

Yeah that was a big thing in the Cold War that for some reason doesn't come up often in American discourse. The Soviets killed all the nazis on their side of Germany. The Americans had some trials and a small number of executions on their side, but also felt like, "drat these guys are good at killing Soviets. Let's get them back on their feet with rifles in their hands ASAP so they can kill more Soviets when WW3 kicks off"

The Soivets criticized the Americans for it but the Americans were too busy building new and bigger kinds of nuclear bombs to care.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Gripweed posted:

Yeah that was a big thing in the Cold War that for some reason doesn't come up often in American discourse. The Soviets killed all the nazis on their side of Germany. The Americans had some trials and a small number of executions on their side, but also felt like, "drat these guys are good at killing Soviets. Let's get them back on their feet with rifles in their hands ASAP so they can kill more Soviets when WW3 kicks off"

The Soivets criticized the Americans for it but the Americans were too busy building new and bigger kinds of nuclear bombs to care.

IIRC the Soviets also procured some nazi scientists, but at least they didn't blatantly re-nazify the post-war state.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Gripweed posted:

Yeah that was a big thing in the Cold War that for some reason doesn't come up often in American discourse. The Soviets killed all the nazis on their side of Germany. The Americans had some trials and a small number of executions on their side, but also felt like, "drat these guys are good at killing Soviets. Let's get them back on their feet with rifles in their hands ASAP so they can kill more Soviets when WW3 kicks off"

The Soivets criticized the Americans for it but the Americans were too busy building new and bigger kinds of nuclear bombs to care.


German armed forces, famous for being good at killing Soviets. Killed them all the way to Berlin.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Gripweed posted:

The Soviets killed all the nazis on their side of Germany.

They most certainly did not kill all of their portion of the 8.5 million Nazi party members. Denazification was much better than in the west but it didn't extend to blanket executions. Have a couple quotes from the wiki article on denazification.
"According to official records, 122,600 people were interned. 34,700 of those interned in this process were considered to be Soviet citizens, with the rest being German."
"Conditions in the internment camps were terrible, and between 42,000 and 80,000 prisoners died."
"In particular, the districts of Gera, Erfurt, and Suhl had significant amounts of former Nazi Party members in their government."

Orange Devil posted:

German armed forces, famous for being good at killing Soviets. Killed them all the way to Berlin.

Look at some casualty statistics some time.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Carthag Tuek posted:

centrism is always always always giving in to the right. theres never in history been a "center right" government that gave concessions to the left.

history just affirms fishhook theory, because centrists hate socialists far more than fascists

e: Germany is another great example of centrism not working for the left at all, because even if there was anyone in the SPD who wanted to shift things to the left (and there isn't, but suppose there was) they'd be blocked by the FDP (ancap gobshites) and the more conservative folks in Die Grünen, thus ensuring Germany's ever rightward trajectory

Venomous has issued a correction as of 19:00 on Nov 27, 2022

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

But Stalin didn't follow the ruuuules when he saved his nation from annihlation and slavery

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
https://twitter.com/GunterFehlinger/status/1596949602657538048?s=20&t=CrIdm7b8BbCI0s4V2g2PcA

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

europeans have never committed genocide before

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019


this guy has style and commitment https://twitter.com/gunterfehlinger/status/1595850354989621249

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


Lmao

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
I love how neutrality has become evil. Fully embracing Bush' neocon "either with us or against us" worldview, stemming from an unshakeable belief that they are the Good Guys and thus not supporting them automatically makes one a Bad Guy and necessarely leaving zero room for self-doubt or reflection.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Hermits are basically terrorists.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/rhaplord/status/1598596527554895872?cxt=HHwWgICpwc7Era8sAAAA

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005


I guess you don't have to hand it to them, after all!

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Why are people so bad at identifying the worst part of stories?

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Yeah personally I think it was all the murdering

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.

Britain started World War 1 to protect this nation

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Gripweed posted:

Britain started World War 1 to protect this nation

Have you heard of their pluckiness though?

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

tristeham posted:

germany has not been denazified successfully

speaking of

https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-arrest-25-suspects-over-plot-to-overthrow-state/a-64011136

quote:

In a nationwide raid, 25 suspected members and supporters of a terrorist organization were arrested early Wednesday.

Officials said the network, part of a wider right-wing movement, was already well established with a concrete plan to overthrow the German state by force and install a new government.
What we know so far

The raids were announced by Germany's federal prosecution agency and German Justice Minister Marco Buschmann. Buschmann said the investigations were directed against a suspected terrorist network with known ties to the Reichsbürger movement. He said that the raids had taken place on individuals suspected of planning an armed attack on state institutions.

"Since this morning a large anti-terror operation is taking place. The Federal Public Prosecutor General is investigating a suspected terror network from the Reichsbürger scene," Buschmann wrote. "The suspicion exists that an armed attack on constitutional organs was planned."

The search operation is reported to have covered 130 properties belonging to 52 suspects in 11 German states.

According to prosecution officials, the arrested suspects "belong to a terrorist organization founded by the end of November 2021 at the latest, which has set itself the goal of overcoming the existing state order in Germany and replacing it with its own form of state, which has already been worked out in outline."

Of the 25 men and women arrested, 24 were from Germany and one suspected supporter is from Russia. One arrest took place in Austria and one in Italy. There are 27 other suspects, the federal prosecutor's office said.
Two ringleaders identified

Prosecutors identified the suspected ringleaders only as Heinrich XIII P. R. and Ruediger v. P., in line with German privacy rules. The news magazine Der Spiegel reported that the former was a well-known 71-year-old member of a minor German noble family, while the latter was a 69-year-old former paratrooper.

According to prosecutors, P. R., who the group planned to install as the new leader of Germany, had made contact with Russian officials seeking to establish a new order in Germany once the Berlin government was overthrown. A Russian woman, Vitalia B, had allegedly given him help with this. The Russian embassy in Berlin denied having links to far-right terror groups.

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005


https://twitter.com/AntonJaegermm/status/1600537948142829568

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000


Also a judge who was a member of AfD and numerous members of the KSK special forces.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

oh great it's the 20's again beer hall putsch and everything.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:
jupiter, save us from the hun

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Al-Saqr posted:

oh great it's the 20's again beer hall putsch and everything.

You wish. At least a few nazis died during the beer hall pustch.

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Good job hiding the identity of Heinrich the 13th with initials P. R.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

honestly didn't know germany still had inherited titles

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

big surprise Hank #13 doesn’t have the best of luck

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



i say swears online posted:

honestly didn't know germany still had inherited titles

he's not a prince of anything, his great-whatever grandfather abdicated after ww1

the title is entirely meaningless, like that Habsburg dork

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
Right Edge Body is an anime term.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/Westphalite/status/1600461848574193664
https://twitter.com/Westphalite/status/1600463745137844224
https://twitter.com/Oneoneder/status/1600577975161864194

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:
He should be executed for trying to steal the throne from any rightful claimants.

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

are there sovereign citizen/reichsburger types in all euro countries? i would love it if there was like a group of french guys who refuse to pay taxes because they nothing after the second republic is legally valid or binding.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

pirate party maybe?

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
pirate parties are just libs. in some countries they might have a sane approach to intellectual property if they never got too big, but that's the only difference

oscarthewilde
May 16, 2012


I would often go there
To the tiny church there

lobster shirt posted:

are there sovereign citizen/reichsburger types in all euro countries? i would love it if there was like a group of french guys who refuse to pay taxes because they nothing after the second republic is legally valid or binding.

afaik, small groups of sovcits (rather, 'freemen on the land', I think this thinking first spread to the UK and infected europe from their) exist in most European countries. it's kind of hilarious to see them these completely out of place American legal terms in countries within the civil law tradition. it's somehow even more of an idiotic movement here.it would be hilarious if it weren't so sad

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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

lobster shirt posted:

are there sovereign citizen/reichsburger types in all euro countries? i would love it if there was like a group of french guys who refuse to pay taxes because they nothing after the second republic is legally valid or binding.

There is a french type of sovereign citizen, QAA did an episode on it.

https://twitter.com/QanonAnonymous/status/1448423870873182209

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