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Rhyno posted:the only absolute: Hell yeah. Aphrodite posted:The Rock was also super defensive like this about Baywatch. He's defensive about all his big films. He's more brand than man at this point and he has to protect that brand as much as he possibly can.
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Soonmot posted:I think the MCU just got really loving lucky with Kevin Fiege and their early successes allowed him to push Pearlman away from the MCU theatrical side. If your film universe is going to be overseen by money guys who don't care about the source material, then things like roadmaps and continuity are going to take a back seat to speed and immediate profit. idk, I want them both to be good. Hopefully they leave Gunn alone and we get cool DC movies The thing about the early MCU that gets forgotten a lot these days is that there wasn't really much of a plan, and things didn't go all that well initially; out of Phase 1, only Iron Man and Avengers were spectacularly successful, and Captain America and Incredible Hulk struggled to break even. But one of the things that Marvel did absolutely right, that DC kept loving up over and over again, is that Marvel built some cushion into their budgets to allow for a certain number of soft "failures" that would let them stay extremely successful as long as they could hit it big every once in a while with an Iron Man or Avengers. Like, compare 2011's Thor to Black Adam: Thor was also a not particularly well received off-summer blockbuster that failed to crack $450 million. But Thor cost $150 million to make, and was a quiet success, while Black Adam cost $200 million to make, and wasn't. Thor didn't do amazingly well, but it did well enough that no one felt like they were about to be fired if they didn't announce a sudden panicky course correction to shore up future projects. With DC, it feels like they keep padding out their budgets to the point where every movie has to be a massive success or suddenly everyone is fired and we're starting all over with new actors. It's an insane way to run a business.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:It's funny as "anti woke" as some of the online comic book guys can be that hate, for example, Captain Marvel and Brie Larson, and love, for example, anything by Snyder, Snyder's casting of Aquaman is incredibly woke: a native Hawaiian as Aquaman which has traditionally been the whitest dude you ever saw. Meanwhile, what are they even gonna do now with Aquaman and WW? Just do an origin story again, after we just did them?...that is, if they even get films again? What are they gonna do if Aquaman 2 is as crazy successful as the first one was? What is this, the Sony e-mails?
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Dec 8, 2022 05:39
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I have to think they are going to try Green Lantern again at some point soon
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They can right the loving ship if they just give everybody John Stewart Green Lantern like their target audience loving grew up with, instead of the one from the 60s. Cast John Boyega, he rules, he could carry a franchise, he's not over 40 like basically anyone else they cast. If the studio absolutely requires an old white guy put in Alan Scott as a mentor
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Dec 8, 2022 06:05
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you dont have to do an origin story movie for superman or wonder woman or aquaman or batman. people know who these characters are. you can characterize new versions of them in a movie without showing where they came in a two hour origin story. see: mcu spider-man. hell, even snyder-batman’s origin was a 30 second shot of pearls hitting pavement and then he’s immediately a grumpy middle aged xenophobe.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:They can right the loving ship if they just give everybody John Stewart Green Lantern like their target audience loving grew up with, instead of the one from the 60s. Cast John Boyega, he rules, he could carry a franchise, he's not over 40 like basically anyone else they cast. Or, and hear me out, a buddy cop intergalactic movie with a rookie (Kyle Rayner) and his no nonsense new partner John Stewart. Do it DC.
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Dec 8, 2022 06:22
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this Guy Gardner erasure is BULLSHITERY
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:The thing about the early MCU that gets forgotten a lot these days is that there wasn't really much of a plan, and things didn't go all that well initially; out of Phase 1, only Iron Man and Avengers were spectacularly successful, and Captain America and Incredible Hulk struggled to break even. But one of the things that Marvel did absolutely right, that DC kept loving up over and over again, is that Marvel built some cushion into their budgets to allow for a certain number of soft "failures" that would let them stay extremely successful as long as they could hit it big every once in a while with an Iron Man or Avengers. Marvel seems really tolerant of movies & TV shows that just do well as long as they establish or advance the storyline. Instead of panicking that not every movie is hitting the highs of Infinity War and Endgame they are very patiently making interesting stuff and waiting on story lines and characters to build.
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yeah give us Darkhawk in the MCU you cowards!
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It helps that their experiments are on Disney+. If a project doesn't do Gangbusters then they can just move on Rhyno posted:this Guy Gardner erasure is BULLSHITERY The first time a studio exec identifies with a cape character 
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he got better! and then Johns did everything he could to erase that
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Kyle and John are the only good lanterns and you all know it
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The only JL I give a toss about is the JLI so yeah, count me as much rather seeing Guy, G'nort and Kilowog than Hal, John, Kyle or any of those other boring yo-yos. Likewise, Barry Allen can get stuffed, give me Wally any day. Batman, Supes, the JLI, Firestorm (there are dozens of us, dozens!), and dear old Conjob are pretty much the only DC characters I like. You're never getting me to pay money for Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, or Black Adam, hah.
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Guy is a lovely violent cop and Kyle's whole gimmick of wow he's an artist he makes all these constructs is dumb, that's literally every green lantern. So what, he likes anime and his girlfriend is dead in a problematic way. I can walk into any GameStop and meet someone of the same description.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:he likes anime and his girlfriend is dead in a problematic way. 
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Rhyno posted:this Guy Gardner erasure is BULLSHITERY Obviously he will be appearing as Warrior
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BrianWilly posted:Yeah losing this iteration of Aquaman sucks hard. The idea of turning Momoa from Aquaman to Lobo is kinda ridiculous. I mean, it's good casting, but kicking the guy out of one role to possibly put him in another, less recognizable one because you didn't like the universe that the first role was in...just wild. How many Batman origin stories have been theatrically released? This is just DC's ecosystem. Though honestly all of Gunn's posting of old JLI pictures, Mr. Terrific, and tweeting about removing the Gorilla limit really leave me hopeful he's just gonna lean into DC's crazy huge back catalog for once. Let's get a fuckin' Detective Chimp movie going. See some Metal Men, or Kamandi, or the Legion of Superheroes, whatever. As for Henry Cavill, I can't imagine there's any snub or cancelled project big enough to really get him down. He's already richer than god, happy with his hobbies, and if he wants to at any time he can just call up Kevin Feige and say "Put me in whatever" and he'll be in a Sentry or Mr. Sinister or something costume by the end of that month. theironjef fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Dec 8, 2022 |
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Everytime a new Batman or Superman comes out with an origin story, I will be there in the middle of the theater on opening night, and loudly and sincerely shout "So THAT'S how it happened!" the instant Thomas hits the ground or Krypton explodes.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Everytime a new Batman or Superman comes out with an origin story, I will be there in the middle of the theater on opening night, and loudly and sincerely shout "So THAT'S how it happened!" the instant Thomas hits the ground or Krypton explodes. I'm still waiting for the prequel to the MCU Spider-Man where they explain how the heck he got those weird powers.
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We almost got that. It was gonna be some D+ cartoon! Then it mutated into a whole other alternate universe thing where it was gonna have like Nico Minoru and stuff in it. Then it was cancelled. What a thrill ride!
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The word is actually that season 1 will still air, but that may be it.
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Well Cavill can't just get put in a Mr. Sinister costume because that role is still being held for Jon Hamm
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theironjef posted:How many Batman origin stories have been theatrically released? This is just DC's ecosystem. One. Well, two if you count Mask of the Phantasm . But as for films that are the Batman origin, just really Begins is. Batman 89, The Batman and BvS all start with Batman as an already extant presence. As for how many times we've seen a parents death flashback. Well...
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Guy is a lovely violent cop and Kyle's whole gimmick of wow he's an artist he makes all these constructs is dumb, that's literally every green lantern. So what, he likes anime and his girlfriend is dead in a problematic way. I can walk into any GameStop and meet someone of the same description. Guy is actually a former social worker who was a genuinely good person until he suffered immense trauma while trying to help people. His plot since then has been trying to deal with the trauma. Meanwhile Hal Jordan is the guy who was 'the conservative one' even for the Justice League and responded to Guy's seeming death by loving his girlfriend. Hal is the absolute worst but people want to fetishize him as The Good One rather than remembering that his stories *in context* are about a dumbass fuckup air force jock who screwed up tons. We can't get that Hal though because Geoff Johns. Kyle is defined by using his ring to make imaginative impossible things. Hal makes things that are real and familiar and John makes structurally sound plausible things because he is an architect. Guy just does whatever comes to mind but that is usually blunt force ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Dec 8, 2022 |
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I know Kyle is defined by how creative he is with the ring but his whole deal was that he was just some random unemployed 20 something year old who stumbled on a blue dwarf in an alleyway and who gave him a ring and said be a superhero. He was always a bit reluctant and naïve. Also I think the Blue Beetle movie is still happening. Let's just have that be the hard breaking off point/new universe launching movie instead of the Flash.
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ImpAtom posted:John makes structurally sound plausible things because he is an architect. The idea that John thinks about every nut and bolt and bracket in his constructs is absolutely excellent characterization that really would resonate with people. But, from what I remember, the cartoon that most people remember him from had him doing almost the opposite. He's all beams and bubbles after a lengthy military career. It's part of what made the episode where they get turned into kids and John goes nuts with giant tongs and buckets and a mech (plus giving himself Kyle's mask) that much better.
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That's the part everyone ignores about JL. The reason everyone knows him also made him boring as gently caress and the lamest Green Lantern to appear.
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Inkspot posted:The idea that John thinks about every nut and bolt and bracket in his constructs is absolutely excellent characterization that really would resonate with people. But, from what I remember, the cartoon that most people remember him from had him doing almost the opposite. He's all beams and bubbles after a lengthy military career. Yeah, JLU made him a soldier which made sense for the cartoon but does lose a bit of what made him special in the comics.
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Just do a Green Lantern Corps movie so you can have everyone appear, easy. Also please make sure to have Jessica appear in it thanks.
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https://twitter.com/jamesgunn/status/1600920132691189760?s=46&t=KYYay6CMpRSsV_-D21W-Cw Thread
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Sounds about right. But it’ll only work if they actually stick with it for a decade and well..
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"I'm going to provide you with some clarity. Some of it is true, some of it is half true, some of it isn't true, and some of it we haven't decided yet. We're going in a new direction, but I can't say what just yet. I hope this clarifies everything."
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:"I'm going to provide you with some clarity. Some of it is true, some of it is half true, some of it isn't true, and some of it we haven't decided yet. We're going in a new direction, but I can't say what just yet. I hope this clarifies everything."
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If Johns still involved with the DC films? I really hope Gunn is allowed to change the locks on the offices so he's not allowed in anymore.
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Ok so hear me out, Stewart is the new recruit to Space Force(GL Corp) under the wing of veteran Jordan who has become more jaded and right wing as the job has gone on. By the end of the movie Jordan goes oldschool Paralax facist and Stewart has to defeat him with architecture or whatever. Also Gardner is a dickhead boysclub cop who harasses the new guy but is like "Oh man, you're stuck with Ol' Hard rear end, good luck" but helps fight an over powered final boss Jordan in the end. Sequel can be Stewart reluctantly taking Rayner on as partner and worrying about not becoming what Jordan became.
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Isn't that basically comics lore now, except with Hal in the new recruit role, with Sinestro as his mentor?
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Scrap the corps as much as possible imo and make it about the individual. Otherwise you're just making a cop movie
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