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Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Dawgstar posted:

This is apparently how he operates by accounts from some people who interacted with him. He's got the colored hair and the tattoos and muscles* and intensity and tries to get in your face by overwhelming you. Works really well on a certain type of person.
I know these people exist, but I don't understand them. Like, I don't know what ever motivated people to be loyal Posting Jihadists for Zak. For a long time, I wrote it off as a certain type of nerd being willing to do anything for a whiff of proximity to cute girls, but now that that's pretty much gone, he still has people who will go around defending him from criticism on any given blog, subreddit, etc. There are people still doing this for e.g. Marilyn Manson, too.

I just don't know what they get out of it. Maybe the problem is that I can't believe they're motivated by principle, when perhaps they are. Like, maybe these are diehard Gamergaters and TheRPGSite types who just need somewhere to vent that purestrain thermonuclear misogyny.

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moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



It's a safe bet that 80% of Zak defenders are Zak, with the remaining being his sunk cost fallacy inner circle.

It's also an unfortunate reality that predators seek out prior abuse victims. So that big in your face persona doesn't so much appeal to anyone so much as it resonates a familiarity with your place in a cycle.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Some people automatically gravitate to the smaller pond so they can be a bigger fish. Though I imagine that a number of them are also just waiting until one of these two fartbags finally says "Woke" or "Cancel culture."

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Eh, when e.g. Zak brigaded into Skerples' thread about his legal disputes, there were several longstanding profiles with blogs of their own who couldn't possibly have been him.

Zak has been complaining about cancel culture for a long time, but because he wants to portray himself as a leftist, he avoids using those exact words. So "cancel culture" becomes "online hatemob." I should have called it out specifically; it really comes through in his diatribe about Olivia Hill and V5.

Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

Halloween Jack posted:

I know these people exist, but I don't understand them. Like, I don't know what ever motivated people to be loyal Posting Jihadists for Zak. For a long time, I wrote it off as a certain type of nerd being willing to do anything for a whiff of proximity to cute girls, but now that that's pretty much gone, he still has people who will go around defending him from criticism on any given blog, subreddit, etc. There are people still doing this for e.g. Marilyn Manson, too.

I just don't know what they get out of it. Maybe the problem is that I can't believe they're motivated by principle, when perhaps they are. Like, maybe these are diehard Gamergaters and TheRPGSite types who just need somewhere to vent that purestrain thermonuclear misogyny.

Why do people support Donald Trump?

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006

Halloween Jack posted:

Eh, when e.g. Zak brigaded into Skerples' thread about his legal disputes, there were several longstanding profiles with blogs of their own who couldn't possibly have been him.

Zak has been complaining about cancel culture for a long time, but because he wants to portray himself as a leftist, he avoids using those exact words. So "cancel culture" becomes "online hatemob." I should have called it out specifically; it really comes through in his diatribe about Olivia Hill and V5.

I am not a Zak whisperer by any stretch, but I am pretty sure he sincerely considers himself progressive and left. You can be a leftist and a colossal dick.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Halloween Jack posted:

Eh, when e.g. Zak brigaded into Skerples' thread about his legal disputes, there were several longstanding profiles with blogs of their own who couldn't possibly have been him.

Cancelled edition Zak wields an absolute sliver of the influence he used to.

The last time I saw him in the wild, Reddit users weren't having any of his poo poo.

Pakxos
Mar 21, 2020

Cessna posted:

Why do people support Donald Trump?

Conservatives notched some big wins under him and his base is, in a horrifying and vile way, reacting to genuine political dysfunction they think he can solve. It is harder to imagine the people posting up a storm for Zak S and Jamison think those two have that kind of power in the RPG industry, but I guess some people really are that delusional.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Cessna posted:

Why do people support Donald Trump?
That's kinda my point.

A lot of people supported Trump because they sincerely believed he was going to make their lives better in some material way. (For the vast majority who were not on the right side of the Ryan tax reform, they were of course wrong.) Zak's never promised that. Also, while Trumpism is still the default ideology of the Republican Party, a lot of chuds have cooled on Trump personally for the simple reasons that he lost an election and he's no longer entertaining them. Participating in the 2016 campaign, going after whoever he was mad at that day, it was a lot of fun for chuds with the veneer of being a righteous crusade against bad actors. (My analysis of QAnon is that it was an attempt to recapture that feeling, as Trump mostly governed like Marco Rubio would have if he were president, and the only dramatic change was the drama itself.)

Like Trump, he doesn't have the online presence that he did before, and he's not creating new content--neither tabletop products nor videos of himself playing D&D with pornstars. And AFAIK he's not sending people pictures of Charlotte Stokely's feet in exchange for being his obedient little online warriors. The show's over, so I don't know what they get out of it.

Lumbermouth
Mar 6, 2008

GREG IS BIG NOW


moths posted:

Cancelled edition Zak wields an absolute sliver of the influence he used to.

The last time I saw him in the wild, Reddit users weren't having any of his poo poo.

To the point where r/RPG has a dedicated "no Zak posting" rule. Per mods:

quote:

Ultimately, we recognized that we didn't have a toxic people problem, we had a toxic person problem.

One rule for one person is definitely a kludgy solution and we know there's the possibility this has to extend to someone else someday. We'll see how this goes and adjust as needed. Whether it's a 'no Zak S' rule or a 'no toxic creators' rule that only lists Zak S makes little difference today.

Green Intern
Dec 29, 2008

Loon, Crazy and Laughable

I couldn’t stop myself from thinking you were saying that Trump had a career playing D&D with pornstars and writing RPGs and my brain was breaking.

joylessdivision
Jun 15, 2013



Green Intern posted:

I couldn’t stop myself from thinking you were saying that Trump had a career playing D&D with pornstars and writing RPGs and my brain was breaking.

He'd write the best, the hugest RPGS. Game store owners coming up to him with tears in their eyes saying "Sir, Thank you for saving rpgs"

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Green Intern posted:

I couldn’t stop myself from thinking you were saying that Trump had a career playing D&D with pornstars and writing RPGs and my brain was breaking.

I am now imagining Trump as a member of a play group or even better as the GM and am laughing ma off.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
hmm you know Would Trump be the worst DM? He is very good at bullshitting. Probably too antagonistic for modern games, I suppose.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Dexo posted:

hmm you know Would Trump be the worst DM? He is very good at bullshitting. Probably too antagonistic for modern games, I suppose.

I'd expect either all improv all the time, or railroad like a motherfucker and nothing in between. The DMPCs would be completely out of hand.

Father Wendigo
Sep 28, 2005
This is, sadly, more important to me than bettering myself.

Winklebottom posted:

Reaper's CEO died. Don't know anything about him to be honest, but his company makes a decent product for cheap.

https://twitter.com/reapermini/status/1596706703055413249?s=20

I know it was a week and a half ago, but was there any more news on this? 65 is relatively young.

I'm also curious how Reaper will continue without him. IIRC he was the hard headed libertarian type, but he was passionate about the company in the way only a libertarian SBO can be (slightly unhinged).

DressCodeBlue
Jun 15, 2006

Professional zombie impersonator.
From what I've heard, he was hospitalized for some kind of heart problem pretty recently. No idea if that's what ended up getting him. :smith:

Narsham
Jun 5, 2008

joylessdivision posted:

He'd write the best, the hugest RPGS. Game store owners coming up to him with tears in their eyes saying "Sir, Thank you for saving rpgs"

"It is an oddity in the new Trump-written Castle guide that while constructing keeps and moats can be very expensive, walls are essentially free because Mexico pays for them."

disposablewords
Sep 12, 2021

It purports to be a high-level adventuring and economic simulator but within five pages is just a reprint of FATAL.

Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado


disposablewords posted:

It purports to be a high-level adventuring and economic simulator but within five pages is just a reprint of FATAL.

I'm impressed you think it would reach five pages.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Please like it wouldn't be some nothing that never comes out but the Kickstarter for it reopens every month and is wildly popular because the comment section isn't moderated.

Eastmabl
Jan 29, 2019

Omnicrom posted:

I'm impressed you think it would reach five pages.

He would hire someone to write for him and never pay them.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
He would pay them with a miniature of a horse.

Lumbermouth
Mar 6, 2008

GREG IS BIG NOW


Eastmabl posted:

He would hire someone to write for him and never pay them.

So Jamison is a good reference point then.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
HBomberguy's recent video on Tommy Tallarico, the guy who claims to have made the "Oof!" sound effect from Roblox (it was some guy working for his studio), is informative on this level- that guy's a pathological liar who does the same kind of aggressive self-hype and self-presentation and is probably exhausting to spend any amount of time with. It's like a pure offense strategy, you just keep lying so fast that nobody can push back fast enough.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Maxwell Lord posted:

HBomberguy's recent video on Tommy Tallarico, the guy who claims to have made the "Oof!" sound effect from Roblox (it was some guy working for his studio), is informative on this level- that guy's a pathological liar who does the same kind of aggressive self-hype and self-presentation and is probably exhausting to spend any amount of time with. It's like a pure offense strategy, you just keep lying so fast that nobody can push back fast enough.

What are you talking about? That's a perfectly normal video that goes into a reasonable amount of depth for a single split-second audio clip.

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗
Also funny enough Tallarico isn't really much of a derail. Some of the folks working for Critical Role previously worked for Tommy back when he was doing Video Games Live. Geeze conventions and the monetization of nerd culture stuff is just incredibly incestuous/keeps involving the same people doing heavy lifting.

That's also part of why I think we see so much 'paid in experience and access' or starvation wages stuff there. A bunch of people who have made it can point to how they spent a decade or more mostly working for free with day jobs or relying on partners.

Naturally there's also capitalists being capitalists and naked exploitation, but there's a ton of inertia and people still treating their multimillion dollar kickstarters and projects backed by amazon or wealthy investors like the passion projects they started with.

Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado


Maxwell Lord posted:

HBomberguy's recent video on Tommy Tallarico, the guy who claims to have made the "Oof!" sound effect from Roblox (it was some guy working for his studio), is informative on this level- that guy's a pathological liar who does the same kind of aggressive self-hype and self-presentation and is probably exhausting to spend any amount of time with. It's like a pure offense strategy, you just keep lying so fast that nobody can push back fast enough.

The Gish Gallop.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Midjack posted:

I'd expect either all improv all the time, or railroad like a motherfucker and nothing in between. The DMPCs would be completely out of hand.

That's basically late stage Vince McMahon.

Arrrthritis
May 31, 2007

I don't care if you're a star, the moon, or the whole damn sky, you need to come back down to earth and remember where you came from
Trump wouldn't even start a campaign. He would bring out big binders full of empty paper to showcase about how epic and grand his homebrew setting is and how much work he put into it (but no, you can't see inside gently caress you), and then when someone asks questions like "so where does it take place" or "what level do our characters start?" he will storm out, taking everything with him and saying that it's all your fault that you didn't get to play in his great game.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
I mean the problem with imagining Trump doing anything like this is he has been sunsetting pretty hard the last few years.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Trump would never get involved in anything he thought was nerdy poo poo.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
https://twitter.com/joindicebreaker/status/1601210044145614848

Continuing my streak of posting things from twitter, this article says a number of things that aren't really surprising except I suppose for how frankly they're being said.

quote:

The executives are less worried about design than installing more on-ramps for players to spend their money. Williams mentioned that while dungeon masters comprise roughly 20% of the D&D player base, they make up “the largest share of our paying players”. An investment in digital, she posits, will allow Wizards of the Coast to “unlock the type of recurrent spending you see in digital games”.

[...]

To wit, Cocks described a plan to shift D&D into a “4-quadrant brand” similar to Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter. While the tabletop game and its book releases - though how that might change in an increased digital environment is an open question - will remain one of those pillars, Wizards expects to invest more into the other three: entertainment such as the upcoming Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves film; “big, AAA video games” akin to Baldur's Gate 3; and an expanded line of toys, collectibles and other merchandise that fans will ostensibly buy because it carries the red, dragon-shaped ampersand on the tag.

The film sounds like a lynchpin to this plan, creating a bevy of collectibles and toys now that Wizards can tie recognisable names to its roleplaying game. Sorry Elminster, you’ve got nothing on fantasy Chris Pine and Michelle Rodriguez. Unspoken but heavily implied in the conversation was the hope that Honor Among Thieves will act as the foundation for more entertainment, either feature-length films or television series, a la Marvel.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



D&D: Afghanistan for executives

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

moths posted:

D&D: Afghanistan for executives

That thought did occur to me, but at the very least I'd give Hasbro better odds at it than a cocaine-fuelled Gary Gygax.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
Well, one of the biggest economic challenges to RPG publishing is the fact that a single group can play forever with just one core book (or set of core books) and a set of funny dice. There are various solutions to this: the supplement treadmill, metaplot, ancillary items (all those Dragonlance calendars and cookbooks), multimedia licensing (novels, video games, tv series), subscription online tools/content, etcetera. This is the first time I've seen a well-funded effort to turn an RPG into a mass-media brand in itself. Should be interesting, if nothing else.

FMguru fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Dec 10, 2022

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



It's that scene from Last Crusade where Indy just watched the hot Nazi fall down a ravine.

Then there's another rumble and he falls into the same spot, but now he can just touch the movie franchise, player-focused purchasable supplements, AAA video games, licensed sneakers, and wood burning kits.


E:

FMguru posted:

This is the first time I've seen a well-funded effort to turn an RPG into a mass-media brand in itself. Should be interesting, if nothing else.

...the action figures, the cartoon, the comicbooks, the coloring book, the shrinky-dinks, the novels, the YA novels.

This time though, this time will be different.

moths fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Dec 10, 2022

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

moths posted:

It's that scene from Last Crusade where Indy just watched the hot Nazi fall down a ravine.

Then there's another rumble and he falls into the same spot, but now he can just touch the movie franchise, player-focused purchasable supplements, AAA video games, licensed sneakers, and wood burning kits.


E:

...the action figures, the cartoon, the comicbooks, the coloring book, the shrinky-dinks, the novels, the YA novels.

This time though, this time will be different.

This time, the wood-burning kit will be a bestseller!

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

Kai Tave posted:

The executives are less worried about design than installing more on-ramps for players to spend their money.

new thread title imo

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Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

moths posted:

...the action figures, the cartoon, the comicbooks, the coloring book, the shrinky-dinks, the novels, the YA novels.

This time though, this time will be different.

"Dungeons & Dragons: The Flamethrower! The kids'll love it!"

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