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It was dead long before the rona in my local area 
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Really though, Legion being a much more conventional wargame than X-Wing it would probably do fine with a new edition since that's just par for the course and very standard for the genre. They at least somewhat tried to avoid the original X-Wing model of holding upgrades hostage in ship packs you might otherwise not buy. I genuinely don't know any Legion players who bought any stuff they straight up didn't want to put on the table just to get the cards inside. The only standout examples that come to mind are some of the vehicle cards not having a lot of overlap ala the Hammers Pilot. Tangential to the idea, I'm not sure what 2.0 would really need but my off the cuff answer would be less generosity with green tokens and power of range/gunlines. RNG is a really complicated topic that you would write a thesis on, but basically I felt X-Wing went downhill when you were able to make dice pools way too consistent which inevitably led to a lot of more concrete mathing out of interactions. I don't like how easy it is for some lists to get very perfect and clean with offense and defense, and think a lot of keywords and green tokens in general could have a baked in clause of "you can only have one of these things." In turn you tweak how often you hand out other keywords; Just tack on Nimble or Precise a little bit more. Dice modification is a quick way to add power and uniqueness to a unit, but over the course of playing FFG's Star Wars stuff I feel pretty confident saying that poo poo snowballs fast. Feels like it's kind of coming to a head in Legion with the one two of range 4 spider droid/super tac droid lists and now more recently with Vigilance Pykes. Tweak the points a little bit and reel these green tokens in overall.
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Dec 3, 2022 05:23
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Green tokens have clearly caused issues before with clone token sharing. I think you are right that the more reliable dice pools become, then the easier it is to math hammer the meta into a boring corner of net listing. I also don't think that Legion needs a new edition just yet, but I do wonder when AMG might try to go back and upgrade the earlier releases aesthetically. It is the one consistent comment people have that the first few things you buy to build your army around are some of the weakest sculpts in the range.
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Dec 3, 2022 09:29
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Gumdrop Larry posted:Tangential to the idea, I'm not sure what 2.0 would really need but my off the cuff answer would be less generosity with green tokens and power of range/gunlines. A second edition would probably involve moving the game towards their ethos, fewer generic upgrades and more built-in bespoke stuff (note the Din, IG and Boba release had no new generic upgrades) a lá the new Xwing squad building rules.
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Gumdrop Larry posted:Really though, Legion being a much more conventional wargame than X-Wing it would probably do fine with a new edition since that's just par for the course and very standard for the genre. They at least somewhat tried to avoid the original X-Wing model of holding upgrades hostage in ship packs you might otherwise not buy. I genuinely don't know any Legion players who bought any stuff they straight up didn't want to put on the table just to get the cards inside. The only standout examples that come to mind are some of the vehicle cards not having a lot of overlap ala the Hammers Pilot.
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Dec 3, 2022 20:31
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They might have gone back on it but Warmahordes eventually went back on the authenticity fetish of "you gotta have da OFFICIAL CARDS or it doesn't count" with all the eratta they were doing, and as much eratta as this has they should really do the same. Doing that would take a lot of the sting out of a second edition. Hell you could argue we're on 1.25, 1.5 at this point, especially once the December point update drops.
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Dec 3, 2022 21:08
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Yeah, ultimately the default for wargames needs to be the companies still making physical copies of cards and upgrades and stuff, along with errata'd versions in newer boxes but having an overarching statement that everything can be print and play without exception. The hobby as a whole has thankfully moved beyond treating rules and points as being something secret and sacred that you can only speak of in whispers outside of opening a physical book, so we really need to just standardize going the rest of the way and letting all the information be free.
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Owlbear Camus posted:They might have gone back on it but Warmahordes eventually went back on the authenticity fetish of "you gotta have da OFFICIAL CARDS or it doesn't count" with all the eratta they were doing, and as much eratta as this has they should really do the same. Doing that would take a lot of the sting out of a second edition. Hell you could argue we're on 1.25, 1.5 at this point, especially once the December point update drops. They probably can't due to LFL licensing. But even in bigger store tournaments around here they've accepted printed lists (that show the errated cards) over real cards due to the level of errata.
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Dec 3, 2022 22:27
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radlum posted:The local Legion community is made up of part of the X-Wing community who dropped the game after 2nd Edition (another part turned to Kill Team, and a small group tried to keep playing X-Wing). I hope AMG realizes how much they lost by making 2nd Edition and don't try it with Legion. In my limited experience, Clan Wren is the better way to run Rebel Mandos. 2 wounds per model makes them a bit less swingy, and they've got better guns and are even slighty better in CC as well. It's only 18 more points too, (20 if you slap situational awareness on there).
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StashAugustine posted:Stormies also suck because a lot of the visual interest is the black undergarment and the models don't really show it off very well. Rebel troopers aren't great but they're less boring at least I did a decent job painting them, but assembling them was a real chore due to the soft plastic and mold lines everywhere. I don't think I'll ever buy more. Edit: 
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Dec 5, 2022 20:28
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The "points update" dropped today for those who might be unaware, and unless you're GAR it varies from "eh" to "gently caress this." As a Rebel player, it feels real good seeing all my lists go up by 18-22 points because they hosed up with Pykes. 
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Dec 9, 2022 01:19
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Counterpoint: Vigilance deserved the bump and rebel trooper SA Vig spam was only slightly less obnoxious than pykes. The only hit to my rebel lists was OP Luke's Burst of Speed, which probably didn't need a bump at all as it was one of the main things keeping Vader, Palp, Yoda, Dooku relevant? I think their attitude is they don't like auto include upgrades, which is kinda dumb if it's explicitly a fix upgrade.
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Dec 9, 2022 01:25
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I never ran the Trooper+Captain spam myself, but yeah the Burst of Speed seems especially egregious. 10 points for a 1/ever movement buff? Get the gently caress outta here with that. This update feels like I got smoked with a lot of collateral damage tbh.
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Dec 9, 2022 01:36
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Didn't they say they're doing a pass at the rules and keywords in general this month and this is taking that into consideration, too?
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Owlbear Camus posted:Didn't they say they're doing a pass at the rules and keywords in general this month and this is taking that into consideration, too? Yea, but why that couldn’t wait to be released together is a mystery.
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Dec 9, 2022 01:55
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Hipster Occultist posted:As a Rebel player, it feels real good seeing all my lists go up by 18-22 points because they hosed up with Pykes. Let me wipe all my tears over pyke spam getting worse
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:Let me wipe all my tears over pyke spam getting worse I think you misunderstood my point, I don't play Pykes (nor do I play dodge spam Troopers with SA for that matter), but it feels kinda bad seeing a lot of the upgrades that I did take (mostly keep to my operatives/commanders/mandos alive tbh) get more expensive because they made another part of the game too strong or what have you. Kinda like how with certain online games and something getting nerfed because it was too strong in PvP, and that echoes back to the PvE players, if that makes any sense.
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Hipster Occultist posted:This update feels like I got smoked with a lot of collateral damage tbh.
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hoiyes posted:Counterpoint: Vigilance deserved the bump and rebel trooper SA Vig spam was only slightly less obnoxious than pykes. The only hit to my rebel lists was OP Luke's Burst of Speed, which probably didn't need a bump at all as it was one of the main things keeping Vader, Palp, Yoda, Dooku relevant? I think their attitude is they don't like auto include upgrades, which is kinda dumb if it's explicitly a fix upgrade. My thoughts exactly. Vigilance was a bit too much of a default pick but I thought Burst of Speed was about the right cost for a single use upgrade taking up one of your force power slots. I'm not sure why they didn't just increase Pikes cost a bit.
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As a Rebel dodge player, Vigilance deserved a hit, maybe a bit less of one, and Burst of Speed was pretty fuckin good so going up to 10 isn't awful. I don't like jacking up the prices on all the good training upgrades at once just in general- it hurts Rebel captain troopers bad but also kicks most Special Forces lists and some hero lists for no real reason E: plus outside of throwing a bone to clones and for some reason death troopers none of the weaker units got buffed at all. Also no changes to Blizzard Force lol, though they've teased some rule updates later
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Hell yeah. Separatist battle force and Mando from my wife for Christmas. Though putting together 4 B1 squads is not something I’m pumped about.
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They’ll paint stupidly easy, at least. Tan body, black weapon, wash, and a squad marking if you’re so inclined.
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I considered buying the Separatist box for that very reason tbh
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Dec 26, 2022 12:02
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Looking at my friend's Core + Separatist droid blob that he needs to paint, I'm thankful that I only have a fraction of that in unpainted Rebels. On an unrelated note, Christmas has accelerated the arms race in our group and rebels not having a tank makes me feel a little anxious. Might be time to pick up a second snow speeder.
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Douche Phoenix posted:Might be time to pick up a second snow speeder.  I’ve gotten to play them exactly once, but double speeders caused such a loss of horror in the person I was playing that I’m definitely doing it again.
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Double speeder is legit one of the best rebel list right now imo
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Yea I just bolted them on to one of my skirmish lists and called it even. Felt almost like playing x-wing, zipping them around the table.
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Just the one I already have and an operative is enough to make them fear a list. Made a Rebel gun line list for last week that was fun as hell. 3 vets, 3 mark 2s, 2 taun tauns, speeder and Din. Pretty sure Din had a bigger target on his back, his high score is 8 suppression.
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Finished some Stormtroopers: I've got some vehicles and officers left to do.
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Looking good, those stormtroopers are looking crisp. A so-called "friend" sold me a shadow collective starter that he got for half off, so now I have those too in addition to my Rebels. I was almost done painting my minis!
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Cessna posted:Finished some Stormtroopers: Crisp is the word, now find them a jedi to stress about!
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Thanks very much! White is the devil's own color, I hate painting it. Black is also no fun. As if the Empire wasn't bad enough they picked awful colors. Next is an AT/ST, a tank, and some officers. (I may paint one as Dedra Meero.) Once that's done I never want to paint Empire again. I picked up the Hoth Rebel box, which should be more fun to paint than stormtroopers. Edit: This is the model I'll use as Dedra Meero:  The model needs more jodhpurs, though. (Holy crap, spellcheck recognizes jodhpurs? What is this, 1890?) I've also seen some 3d printed Imperial Army troops from Skullforge which are very, very tempting. Cessna fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jan 12, 2023 |
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I did an officer as Isard, which is basically the same thing really. I have a good method for white- prime white and wash with apothecary white contrast- but the real trick is getting all the little black details without making them look like clown faces. Otoh I found the vehicles remarkable fun to paint for something that's just panzer gray, you can do some fun stuff with drybrushing and weathering. And yeah Rebels are great just for getting to do alternate uniform schemes, there's a bunch of different outfits even just in canon and pretty easy to justify stuff that's not as being some local militia
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Speaking of commander Luthen model when
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StashAugustine posted:And yeah Rebels are great just for getting to do alternate uniform schemes, there's a bunch of different outfits even just in canon and pretty easy to justify stuff that's not as being some local militia Hell I mishmashed all my various squads of standard rebel troopers, veterans, upgrade packs, and probably some others so that none of my squads are even close to uniform in composition. I kept all the special weapons so those would at least be right, but otherwise everyone has a color marking somewhere on them to show which squad they’re in. The Alliance was rumored to be a loose-ish coalition of lots of different species, and they’re going to look that way, damnit 
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Yeah of my four squads of Rebel troopers I've got forest camo, desert camo, urban camo, and the Bajoran militia E: Battlefront games are really good for alternate schemes
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StashAugustine posted:I did an officer as Isard, which is basically the same thing really. I had to look up who that is; the red uniform is a very striking look that could be good on a model.
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I was boring and just did Intelligence white from her early days, but painted the hair with the white shocks. Red could also work though, get a bit of color in there
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I did a squad of storm troopers as the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and an imperial officer as April O'Neil.
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enigmahfc posted:I did a squad of storm troopers as the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and an imperial officer as April O'Neil. Pics please!
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