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Kild
Apr 24, 2010

It also wouldn't be out of character to pretend to not know to goad Kurapika

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PringleCreamEgg
Jul 2, 2004

Sleep, rest, do your best.
I think from this we can further conclude that Hunter x Hunter is very good.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Kild posted:

It also wouldn't be out of character to pretend to not know to goad Kurapika

Pretty sure Uvo was being honest during that encounter.

oh jay
Oct 15, 2012

https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/hunter-x-hunter-chapter-397/chapter/25890?action=read
https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1015268

Shoutouts to the guy writing the blurb at the top of Shonen Jump landing page.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



LOL

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012
This panel right here

This is the moment the bat comes slamming down right into my feels. Sad Pakunoda just crushes me.

Flair
Apr 5, 2016
This backstory has may lead interesting implications. Did they find the killer? If so, did the killer lead to other revelations? If the killer is just a killer and they already killed the killer, what is pushing the spiders forward? What is their end goal?

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022

Flair posted:

This backstory has may lead interesting implications. Did they find the killer? If so, did the killer lead to other revelations? If the killer is just a killer and they already killed the killer, what is pushing the spiders forward? What is their end goal?

I mean they wanted to go further than just find the killer, Chrollo outright states that he wans to make it so that no one fucks with Meteor City.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Flair posted:

This backstory has may lead interesting implications. Did they find the killer? If so, did the killer lead to other revelations? If the killer is just a killer and they already killed the killer, what is pushing the spiders forward? What is their end goal?

I think Chrollo himself isn't quite sure what his end goal is anymore. By the time of the Yorknew City arc, Feitan, Uvogin, Phinks, and Nobunaga had apparently lost interest in whatever goals they once had beyond killing people who annoyed them and taking their stuff, although at least some of them retained some affection for the people of Meteor City, and there was genuine friendship between Uvogin and Nobunaga. The three female members seem less bloodthirsty, but they're all loyal to Chrollo in their own ways. Franklin is also loyal to Chrollo, I guess, plus he cares about Shizuku. Shalnark's personality is hard to understand, you can almost imagine him becoming a "normal" Hunter, but he does care about the other members.

I guess the real question is, what were Bonolenov and Kortopi doing in the group?

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012

Silver2195 posted:

I guess the real question is, what were Bonolenov and Kortopi doing in the group?

Kortupi was probably recruited because of his ability, same for Shizuku. Being a master forger and a cleaner for a group of thieves is clearly beneficial to the spider as a whole. Bonolenov came from a people ejected from their own homeland who probably settled in Meteor City since it's where disenfranchised people flock too. Him joining is probably just a way for him to lash out at the world and carry on the spirit and pride of his people.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Brought To You By posted:

Kortupi was probably recruited because of his ability, same for Shizuku. Being a master forger and a cleaner for a group of thieves is clearly beneficial to the spider as a whole. Bonolenov came from a people ejected from their own homeland who probably settled in Meteor City since it's where disenfranchised people flock too. Him joining is probably just a way for him to lash out at the world and carry on the spirit and pride of his people.

It makes sense that the Troupe would want Kortopi. What I don’t understand is why Kortopi joined the Troupe. We know almost nothing about him, really. For example, why is he so small? Is he a child, a dwarf, a magical beast that happens to look like a short human, a guy who stunted his own growth as a condition of his ability, or (like Biscuit) a guy who turned himself into a child because he didn’t like his adult body’s appearance?

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Some people are just short, friend.

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012
Colhtophy Tounofmaill was just a manlet and he shouldn't be shamed because of it.

BlitznBurst
Feb 28, 2019

Considering his ability it wouldn't be surprising if Kortopi were already in the counterfeiting/thieving business before he joined the troupe. Maybe he was already wanted and joined the troupe for protection or maybe he just liked stealing things and joined so he could steal more things, who knows

Pewdiepie
Oct 31, 2010

I hope Hunter is able to find the secret of the dark continent and figure out his dad's Nen ability.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Pewdiepie posted:

I hope Hunter is able to find the secret of the dark continent and figure out his dad's Nen ability.

There was a 500 page thread over whether it was manipulation or emission, but eventually we agreed that Dark Brandon was a Stand

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


the real question is who's gonna be the one survivor of the dark continent arc?

[spoiler[ its leorio [soplir]/

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012

Tunicate posted:

There was a 500 page thread over whether it was manipulation or emission, but eventually we agreed that Dark Brandon was a Stand
It was a clear homage to Tusk Act 999 from Steel Ball Brisk Walk. No idea why everyone was so confused.

DeadBonesBrook
May 31, 2011

How do you do, fellow Regis?
Do we know where Ging and Beyond's group are residing during the current arc?

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

BlitznBurst posted:

Considering his ability it wouldn't be surprising if Kortopi were already in the counterfeiting/thieving business before he joined the troupe. Maybe he was already wanted and joined the troupe for protection or maybe he just liked stealing things and joined so he could steal more things, who knows

the founding of the troupe is one thing, but there's no real mystery why someone would want to join a powerful, ruthless gang of criminals. they offer protection, opportunities, resources, reputation, and even community.

oh jay
Oct 15, 2012

DeadBonesBrook posted:

Do we know where Ging and Beyond's group are residing during the current arc?

Remember, Bill is part of Beyond's group. They are spread out wherever the job that got them on the boat is.

Ging is probably riding a dolphin just outside the boat though.

Char
Jan 5, 2013

Silver2195 posted:

I think Chrollo himself isn't quite sure what his end goal is anymore. By the time of the Yorknew City arc, Feitan, Uvogin, Phinks, and Nobunaga had apparently lost interest in whatever goals they once had beyond killing people who annoyed them and taking their stuff

notice how the flashback started. Nobunaga asking rhetorically "has it always been like this...?"

Hitlersaurus Christ
Oct 14, 2005

oh jay posted:

Remember, Bill is part of Beyond's group. They are spread out wherever the job that got them on the boat is.

Ging is probably riding a dolphin just outside the boat though.

Bill is part of Pariston’s faction but not part of Beyond’s core group that Ging joined. Those guys are traveling separately from the Black Whale iirc

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Ging and Pariston on a different boat.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Ging and Pariston are riding Whale Island, which is an actual whale.

oh jay
Oct 15, 2012

Tunicate posted:

Ging and Pariston are riding

Kild
Apr 24, 2010

Tunicate posted:

Ging and Pariston are riding Whale Island, which is an actual whale.

Glad Gon gets to hang out with his dads

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



Chapter is up

edit: I as on mobile before, the link is https://cubari.moe/read/imgur/wSgsoUd/1/1/
It's some new guys, imo the text is improvable in places.


So the flashback ends for now (my prediction was we would have more flashback later), and we return to Nobu & co. After some discussion about the nature of the trap (and we learn a bit more of nen), Nobu and Hinrigh end up in Heily lair. Which... you know with Morena having a rpg like power, it's like she is a DM and they are adventurers in a dungeon crawl.

Turin Turambar fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Dec 8, 2022

Lpzie
Nov 20, 2006

I dunno why I'm always so tense turning the pages.

Artelier
Jan 23, 2015


Lpzie posted:

I dunno why I'm always so tense turning the pages.

It didn't happen this chapter but every time I turn the page I'm like "Please Togashi, please, stop introducing new characters and plotlines, please." Not that I'm mad that he does but I would like to resolve some things!!

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
The argument in this chapter about whether a power is Conjuration, Emission, or Specialization made me laugh. The manga is turning into this thread! It even manages to confuse the issue of Knov's power that we were discussing earlier further, since it creates a special space, but uses it to effectively teleport people. Maybe Knov's power is Conjuration, and it works because it isn't "teleportation" in the sense Nobunaga means?

Edit: I like how Nobunaga learned from Gon and Killua to always consider the possibility of breaking a wall.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Dec 9, 2022

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.

Silver2195 posted:

The argument in this chapter about whether a power is Conjuration, Emission, or Specialization made me laugh. The manga is turning into this thread! It even manages to confuse the issue of Knov's power that we were discussing earlier further, since it creates a special space, but uses it to effectively teleport people. Maybe Knov's power is Conjuration, and it works because it isn't "teleportation" in the sense Nobunaga means?

Edit: I like how Nobunaga learned from Gon and Killua to always consider the possibility of breaking a wall.

I love that detail.

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012
God drat please let Hinrigh survive all this nonsense. That instant crouch and knife pull to avoid getting ganked from behind was so clean. And he's got balls of steel being the bait and charging into enemy territory

Silver2195 posted:

The argument in this chapter about whether a power is Conjuration, Emission, or Specialization made me laugh. The manga is turning into this thread! It even manages to confuse the issue of Knov's power that we were discussing earlier further, since it creates a special space, but uses it to effectively teleport people. Maybe Knov's power is Conjuration, and it works because it isn't "teleportation" in the sense Nobunaga means?

Edit: I like how Nobunaga learned from Gon and Killua to always consider the possibility of breaking a wall.
incoming :words:
I'm waiting for a more clear TL but I don't see this chapter as muddying the water for Knov's ability. Teleportation is always emissions for the purposes of this series and Knov's ability is described by the narration as teleporting and the only special rules seem to relate to which exits the doors in his mansion lead too and a blanket "the walls can't be breached" since they lead nowhere on their own. No weird logic like Fuugetsu's Magical Door which seems to be conjuration creating a literal tunnel with travel time associated with movement rather than an instant warp from A to B. Knov is just that good at both emissions and conjuration, being able to conjure a sizeable structure and at one time a dozen entrance and exit points to it. Those points should qualify as a landmine type "trap" but much like Voconte's ability it can be used willingly just as much as it can be used to drop a bunch of goons into a room with Netero.

The real sticking point is whether Voconte is the one reinforcing the lair in addition to the warping ability. They ruled out the old man's doppelganger as being able to teleport people within proximity to it because it does seem harder for a conjured clone to also have a forced teleportation ability. We have now 4 examples of conjured doppelgangers and the ones with high precision require the user to be solely focused on it unlike Kastro's which could operate while he was also mobile. The Old man's should definitely fit into the high precision category given it's speech and his acting but the most complicated we've seen has been Hanzo's which can phase through walls and floors. This old guy shouldn't have comparable potential so I think he's just limited to making a clone he has 1:1 control over while he is stationary but that should be only what he can do much like Tuffdy.

So the question is whether an emitter could make an ability that reinforces the walls for a room he's also got connected to a teleportation ability? Conjured nen spaces like Knov's mansion or Cheetu's tag arena can have rules within them but they are also divorced from reality. Conjured spaces in the real world aren't this large and we know they are irl because the tracker works. Odds are Voconte is somewhere safe and there's a different person keeping the walls sturdy as for why I couldn't guess unless they are that worried about losing the processing and laundry rooms. Then again I can be completely wrong which is not unusual :shrug: but there should be someone there with Voconte if he is responsible to help him out as he's important to getting to their hideout.

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


Hinrigh rules, love this guy

Scallop Eyes
Oct 16, 2021

Silver2195 posted:

The argument in this chapter about whether a power is Conjuration, Emission, or Specialization made me laugh. The manga is turning into this thread! It even manages to confuse the issue of Knov's power that we were discussing earlier further, since it creates a special space, but uses it to effectively teleport people. Maybe Knov's power is Conjuration, and it works because it isn't "teleportation" in the sense Nobunaga means?

Edit: I like how Nobunaga learned from Gon and Killua to always consider the possibility of breaking a wall.

I do'nt think it's confusing, Knov is good enough that he can do high level Emission and Conjuration ,just like Morel's ability is like a mix of Transmutation and Manipulation.I'm gonna wait for a betterTL until i think more about it though.

They sure are taking some time to deal with the whole Morena situation, but I still think most of her followers will be dealt with sooner than later.Still, it1s fun to see amateurs figthing with their wits and numbers vs way better opponents.


ThatBasqueGuy posted:

Hinrigh rules, love this guy

Me too, really hoping he makes it through. Thankfully, Togashi isn't particulally bloodthirsty to his secondary characters, we just think he is because Pokkle and Ponzu make a big impression.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



I think that's it, Nobu's comment serves to highlight how good Knov is, showing why he was handpicked by Netero. In his class he is world-leading.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
I guess part of the reason Nen can be a bit confusing is that the categories opposite each other on the hexagon can do similar things in practice. It’s most obvious with Emission and Conjuration, but you also get mental Enhancement like Komugi’s resembling mental Specialist powers like Neon’s, and Hisoka’s Bungee Gum achieves Manipulation-like effects via Transmutation (and one could imagine rope-themed or magnetism-themed Transmutation powers that do similar things).

The way affinities work means it’s probably better to use your primary category to “fake” the opposite category than to use opposite categories together. So I guess Knov is just that good at Conjuration.

Another random thought about Nen: it’s odd that we never get a formal term for generic Emission blasts. Going by the rhyming naming scheme, I guess it should be called Kyu (archery).

Edit: Machi is another Transmuter who achieves Manipulation-like effects. Morel might be the other way around, Manipulating smoke in a way that’s easily mistaken for Transmuting his aura to make it smoke-like.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Dec 9, 2022

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



At the start, Togashi showed how nen users should design abilities appropriate for their nen type. Remember the fight in the tower, Hisoka vs the guys who made a clone of him? Kastro?The lesson was that, he wasn't a Conjurer, he should have picked another ability that was more efficient for his type.

But I believe later Togashi has been showing how, while 'nen efficiency' is a factor, at the end of the day the best is to pick an ability that fits you, that feels right. Even if it may seem silly. This is why Biscuit encouraged Gon in picking his jankenpon despite Killua poking holes at it, this is why Netero summoned a Buddha statue to attack instead of punching himself, despite being Enhancement.

Kild
Apr 24, 2010

https://onepiecechapters.com/chapters/5563/hunter-x-hunter-chapter-398

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MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
much better translation.

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