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Who's your 2022 MVP?
This poll is closed.
Shohei Ohtani 50 59.52%
Aaron Judge 19 22.62%
Hey, the national league has an MVP too you know! 15 17.86%
Total: 84 votes
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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Owners association calling up John Wick dudes about Steve Cohen

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Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

zoux posted:

Owners association calling up John Wick dudes about Steve Cohen

Came here to post this, lol.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
Much like the Yankees, the mets pretty much held serve, they still need to do more work to be better than they were last year.

Darude - Adam Sandstorm
Aug 16, 2012

Gerblederp posted:

Ted Rogers has more fuckin money than god and the Jays aren’t going to do poo poo

Gonna pay Joey Gallo and Ross Stripling

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

Cubs and Red Sox seem to be on eerily similar paths. Big market teams that have realized they can fill up their historic ballparks because it's a tourist attraction. Throw in a big local TV deal because of their loyal fanbase and you can print money winning 75 games a year. Sell fans on some A ball guys who might be good in 5 years.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
hell yeah Nimmo

he's absurdly underrated, 17th in wRC+ in baseball since his debut and never even sniffed an AS team

The Berzerker
Feb 24, 2006

treat me like a dog


Imagine if the Blue Jays did anything

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

Niwrad posted:

Cubs and Red Sox seem to be on eerily similar paths. Big market teams that have realized they can fill up their historic ballparks because it's a tourist attraction. Throw in a big local TV deal because of their loyal fanbase and you can print money winning 75 games a year. Sell fans on some A ball guys who might be good in 5 years.

2023 NL MVP Christopher Morel was AA and he's good NOW

GoatSeeGuy
Dec 26, 2003

What if Jerome Walton made me a champion?


Niwrad posted:

Cubs and Red Sox seem to be on eerily similar paths. Big market teams that have realized they can fill up their historic ballparks because it's a tourist attraction. Throw in a big local TV deal because of their loyal fanbase and you can print money winning 75 games a year. Sell fans on some A ball guys who might be good in 5 years.

Cubs had their lowest attendance since 1997, and I'd loooove to see ratings for the ongoing trash fire know as Marquee (I know ratings aren't as big as carriage fees) so I don't think the old Tribune methods are coming back. The Wrigleyville theme park doesn't work without fans.

Darude - Adam Sandstorm
Aug 16, 2012

https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1601031887471841281

Mets gonna spend 450 million next year.

Penisaurus Sex
Feb 3, 2009

asdfghjklpoiuyt
Cohen is spending like those Madoff checks are back jesus.

Darude - Adam Sandstorm
Aug 16, 2012

Its true, but mcmagic is correct in saying that they haven't actually improved. If anything they're still down a starter from last year.

Tatsuta Age
Apr 21, 2005

so good at being in trouble


the braves made all our big moves before the season ended but I want a splash damnit

Milovan Drecun
Apr 17, 2007
I masturbate in traffic.
The line that the Mets and Yankees haven't improved completely misses the point that they were top teams in the toughest divisions. They should try to get better, of course, but not everything is as linear and forgone as that line of reasoning suggests. Lack of play-off success doesn't mean they weren't good teams (contrary to what some will insist), they could stay pat and still be in the World Series next year.

Tatsuta Age
Apr 21, 2005

so good at being in trouble


Milovan Drecun posted:

The line that the Mets and Yankees haven't improved completely misses the point that they were top teams in the toughest divisions. They should try to get better, of course, but not everything is as linear and forgone as that line of reasoning suggests. Lack of play-off success doesn't mean they weren't good teams (contrary to what some will insist), they could stay pat and still be in the World Series next year.

well, not the Mets because of who they are, but I get your point

KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009

bawfuls posted:

No, Lux to SS is considered a less than ideal solution. It'd be like Seager's defense without as reliable a bat.
How did his glove turn out in general cause I just remember him looking completely lost in center in that '20 NLCS?

Milovan Drecun
Apr 17, 2007
I masturbate in traffic.

Tatsuta Age posted:

well, not the Mets because of who they are, but I get your point

It's true, no amount of improvement will spare the Mets from F.A.T.E.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Milovan Drecun posted:

The line that the Mets and Yankees haven't improved completely misses the point that they were top teams in the toughest divisions. They should try to get better, of course, but not everything is as linear and forgone as that line of reasoning suggests. Lack of play-off success doesn't mean they weren't good teams (contrary to what some will insist), they could stay pat and still be in the World Series next year.

They both clearly weren't world series caliber last year. i doubt either is the favorite to win their divisions next season.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

Milovan Drecun posted:

The line that the Mets and Yankees haven't improved completely misses the point that they were top teams in the toughest divisions. They should try to get better, of course, but not everything is as linear and forgone as that line of reasoning suggests. Lack of play-off success doesn't mean they weren't good teams (contrary to what some will insist), they could stay pat and still be in the World Series next year.

99 and 100 win teams. Keeping their biggest pieces or a relatively lateral move in DeGrom-to-Verlander. Stop time left in the off-season. Yankees pursuing a big SP. Mets pursing a C. Who knows what else? Talented players who underperformed or had health issues last year hopefully do better. Youngsters possibly coming up in the world. Everyone in the league getting a year older and other top teams losing some key pieces and adding some others. Who knows how it all shakes out? Literally 10 months from now and 6-7 months of baseball. Some people want nothing but to complain and doomsday and act smug about their supposed genius and shitpost and just generally suck.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer
Mets have a catcher likely to be up in 2023 who is the #1 overall prospect.

Darude - Adam Sandstorm
Aug 16, 2012

I just think you'd like your team to improve if you spend another 100 million but I think the Mets are doing the right things as well.

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

=^-^=

Popete posted:

Mets have a catcher likely to be up in 2023 who is the #1 overall prospect.

They will extend him for $200 million by May

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Poque posted:

They will extend him for $200 million by May

You can do that with players under team control?

Sab0921
Aug 2, 2004

This for my justices slingin' thangs, rib breakin' kings / Truck, necklace, robe, gavel and things / For the solicitors seein' them dissents spin and grin / That robe with the lace trim that win.
After all these huge contracts I can't believe the Astros locked up Yordan for 6/115 like 5 months ago

DeepDickPizza
Oct 11, 2012

THREE TIME! THREE TIME!

GoatSeeGuy posted:

Cubs had their lowest attendance since 1997, and I'd loooove to see ratings for the ongoing trash fire know as Marquee (I know ratings aren't as big as carriage fees) so I don't think the old Tribune methods are coming back. The Wrigleyville theme park doesn't work without fans.

The sharp decline in attendance and STH churn is the one thing that gives me hope that the Cubs may actually make a splash. The Rickettses have built up an entire neighborhood to be a moneymaker and the fan base really isn’t buying this poverty franchise routine. If they don’t land Correa or similar, I have no doubt that attendance will decline again. Money talks. Bullshit walks.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

GoatSeeGuy posted:

Cubs had their lowest attendance since 1997, and I'd loooove to see ratings for the ongoing trash fire know as Marquee (I know ratings aren't as big as carriage fees) so I don't think the old Tribune methods are coming back. The Wrigleyville theme park doesn't work without fans.

They were still 11th in attendance and that doesn't include the rooftops, hotels, and restaurants they now own in the neighborhood. Tickets are 3rd highest in the league and concessions are the highest priced. They're making like $5 a month off every cable customer in Illinois, Indiana, and Iowa even in the offseason.

I'm sure they've done the math and realize that adding $80 million to the payroll is not worth 400,000 more fans a season.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

The Cubs are also making $100-$200 more per family that attend a game than most teams in the league. Even with a slightly lower attendance, that's still incredibly profitable. And while some fans might be turned off, Wrigley is still a huge tourist attraction and their attendance floor is going to be incredibly high. It would take closing the bleachers down for them to dip below 30,000 a game.

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

Niwrad posted:

The Cubs are also making $100-$200 more per family that attend a game than most teams in the league. Even with a slightly lower attendance, that's still incredibly profitable. And while some fans might be turned off, Wrigley is still a huge tourist attraction and their attendance floor is going to be incredibly high. It would take closing the bleachers down for them to dip below 30,000 a game.



what does the fan cost index represent? Average price of a ticket? Ticket + Parking? Ticket + Food?

GoatSeeGuy
Dec 26, 2003

What if Jerome Walton made me a champion?


Niwrad posted:

The Cubs are also making $100-$200 more per family that attend a game than most teams in the league. Even with a slightly lower attendance, that's still incredibly profitable. And while some fans might be turned off, Wrigley is still a huge tourist attraction and their attendance floor is going to be incredibly high. It would take closing the bleachers down for them to dip below 30,000 a game.

You're also talking about sold tickets, which is only part of the equation. The real money in that 364 bucks comes from beer, concessions, etc and those are notoriously hard to sell to empty seats. Same thing applies to all the tourist traps surrounding the park.

fast cars loose anus
Mar 2, 2007

Pillbug

IcePhoenix posted:

what does the fan cost index represent? Average price of a ticket? Ticket + Parking? Ticket + Food?

It's a "take your two kids to their first baseball game" price:

quote:

Fan Cost Index comprises the prices of four average-price tickets, two small draft beers, four small soft drinks, four regular-size hot dogs, parking for one hour, two game programs and two least-expensive, adult-size adjustable caps.

Paper Tiger
Jun 17, 2007

🖨️🐯torn apart by idle hands

quote:

Fan Cost Index comprises the prices of four average-price tickets, two small draft beers, four small soft drinks, four regular-size hot dogs, parking for one hour, two game programs and two least-expensive, adult-size adjustable caps.

Odd choice for them to only include one hour of parking when the average game is three hours long.

fast cars loose anus
Mar 2, 2007

Pillbug
I guess it might depend on if you're in one of the remaining stadiums where that's an issue but every sporting even I've ever both been to and parked my own car at charged me a flat rate for parking, so yeah that's kind of weird

ihatepants
Nov 5, 2011

Let the burning of pants commence. These things drive me nuts.




https://twitter.com/ConnorNewcomb_/status/1601031178256982017?s=20&t=en8LzWnlznYIVeOINjbbUg

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

KICK BAMA KICK posted:

How did his glove turn out in general cause I just remember him looking completely lost in center in that '20 NLCS?
Lux is definitely not an outfielder but he looked pretty good to me at 2B this year.

more falafel please
Feb 26, 2005

forums poster

Wow, I didn't know Nimmo was a fan of Jimmy Carter.

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

fast cars loose anus posted:

It's a "take your two kids to their first baseball game" price:

Well drat now I kind of want to see the cost breakdown per team

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

GoatSeeGuy posted:

You're also talking about sold tickets, which is only part of the equation. The real money in that 364 bucks comes from beer, concessions, etc and those are notoriously hard to sell to empty seats. Same thing applies to all the tourist traps surrounding the park.

They still draw well for being a terrible team with no star players. The question is whether they think adding $80 million to the payroll is worth getting a couple thousand more to show up to the park. Seems like they've done the math and realized it's not worth the risk.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

Nimmo was someone I was hoping the Cubs would pursue. Could have played CF and then moved to LF after they trade or let Happ walk.

I was going to say he is a very underrated hitter but that contract is a sign the Mets saw his value.

Nodoze
Aug 17, 2006

If it's only for a night I can live without you

Niwrad posted:

Cubs and Red Sox seem to be on eerily similar paths. Big market teams that have realized they can fill up their historic ballparks because it's a tourist attraction. Throw in a big local TV deal because of their loyal fanbase and you can print money winning 75 games a year. Sell fans on some A ball guys who might be good in 5 years.

The Red Sox are bleeding fan interest too, they are not filling up Fenway at all anymore. They also have been lapped by the Patriots for obvious reasons, but also the Celtics and Bruins both being on sustained runs of success and playoff appearances has drawn interest there as well. There's a lot of local apathy about the front office and ownership

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FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Nodoze posted:

The Red Sox are bleeding fan interest too, they are not filling up Fenway at all anymore. They also have been lapped by the Patriots for obvious reasons, but also the Celtics and Bruins both being on sustained runs of success and playoff appearances has drawn interest there as well. There's a lot of local apathy about the front office and ownership
Does the GM get fired after this debacle or is he doing exactly what the owners want now

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