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I'd expect the big ten to so protected rivalries like the ACC is doing next year. Not hard pods, but each school plays 2-3 teams every year, then rotates through the other 10-11 over 2 years. So like OSU plays Michigan, PSU, and Illinois every year. PSU plays OSU, UMD, and Rutgers every year. Not saying these teams are right, but hard pods aren't the only option.
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drunk leprechaun posted:I'd expect the big ten to so protected rivalries like the ACC is doing next year. Not hard pods, but each school plays 2-3 teams every year, then rotates through the other 10-11 over 2 years. This brings back Illibuck, so I'm for it.
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General question on the idea of 32 team conferences.... Why are people so convinced that it's going to happen at some point? If it does, wouldn't that significantly reduce the amount of tv revenue that Big 10/SEC schools currently get, due to having to share that revenue with a bunch more schools?
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Dec 9, 2022 16:00
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Regnevelc posted:No way the ADs for OSU, PSU, MSU, and Michigan allow that pod to happen. Yeah man, gently caress off
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Dec 9, 2022 16:00
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I love the idea of Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State in a pod together. Can we go back to the the original Big Ten division naming scheme and call this one the Sex Offenders Division?
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Dec 9, 2022 16:07
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drunk leprechaun posted:I'd expect the big ten to so protected rivalries like the ACC is doing next year. Not hard pods, but each school plays 2-3 teams every year, then rotates through the other 10-11 over 2 years. I still think 3 permanent rivals + home-and-homes every four years for the others is the ideal model for a 16-team conference. If you have more than 3 rivals that you just really have to play every year, sorry I guess?
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Judgy Fucker posted:I still think 3 permanent rivals + home-and-homes every four years for the others is the ideal model for a 16-team conference. If you have more than 3 rivals that you just really have to play every year, sorry I guess? The only issue is that they assignments can get it "wrong". I'm a VT fan, and our 3 permanent rivals are UVA(duh), Pitt(um ok?), and Wake(what? why?). GT and Miami are the two teams that most of the fanbase wanted along with UVA, and there are arguments for BC or the one of the other NC schools. So it's for sure not perfect, but I think it's a totally workable and reasonable model. I don't get why people are so fixated on pods. Other than the massive WAC back in the day I don't think it's been done at the FBS level, and there's no rule forcing conferences to go in that direction anyway.
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drunk leprechaun posted:The only issue is that they assignments can get it "wrong". I'm a VT fan, and our 3 permanent rivals are UVA(duh), Pitt(um ok?), and Wake(what? why?). GT and Miami are the two teams that most of the fanbase wanted along with UVA, and there are arguments for BC or the one of the other NC schools. So it's for sure not perfect, but I think it's a totally workable and reasonable model. I won't disagree with your perceptions as an actual VT fan, you certainly know more than I do, but I would've had no clue that VT considered itself rivals with GT or Miami. VT-GT has only been played 19 times, VT-Miami is 40 and annually since '92 so okay yeah I can see that. But sure, I can see your point about the conference getting it "wrong." But for many schools it seems like the top three rivals would be obvious if they really are true rivalries.
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VT-Miami is a holdover from being the two actually good teams in the old Big East.
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maruhkati posted:Hoo boy, get ready for some fireworks up in Madison! I’m calling now that this isn’t going to work at all. Longo’s offense by design is not complementary football for how Fickell likes to play defense, and his running schemes are not going to be diverse enough to keep the ball when they want. Dude is so reductive with his personnel and route combos that I just don’t get it at a place like Wisconsin where your receiving threats are all heavily developmental guys and not raw matchup problems who don’t need much training. You can open things up without losing your core offense or being overly reductive—just screams overcorrection to me.
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TheGreyGhost posted:I’m calling now that this isn’t going to work at all. Longo’s offense by design is not complementary football for how Fickell likes to play defense, and his running schemes are not going to be diverse enough to keep the ball when they want. Dude is so reductive with his personnel and route combos that I just don’t get it at a place like Wisconsin where your receiving threats are all heavily developmental guys and not raw matchup problems who don’t need much training. You can open things up without losing your core offense or being overly reductive—just screams overcorrection to me. I think it’s more that unless he gets the recruits to match the scheme, it won’t pan out - Wisconsin can always get the 3* guys that can do a run-first heavy offense, we almost never get the guys that can do a run and shoot offense.
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DrunkPanda posted:General question on the idea of 32 team conferences.... Why are people so convinced that it's going to happen at some point? If it does, wouldn't that significantly reduce the amount of tv revenue that Big 10/SEC schools currently get, due to having to share that revenue with a bunch more schools? Realistically, nobody has any idea how the media landscape is going to play out once carriage fees peter out. Folks are just making assumptions that because there's been a pressure towards expansion over the past 20+ years, number will continue to go up. There's is some merit to the idea that conferences will continue to grow as geography becomes irrelevant, but even that has limits. UMass is never getting that power conference invite they moved from FCS for (not least because everyone realized nobody in the Boston market gave a gently caress).
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I mean WVU has more dedicated fans and is more valuable than Rutgers, which exists in an enormous TV market that doesn't care about college football. I posted a few weeks ago that the Rutgers-Maryland game only drew 90,000 watchers on the Big Ten Network. I mean, look at this:
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Pretty wild that Iowa State-TCU drew more viewers than LSU-A&M, even if TCU was unbeaten.
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TheGreyGhost posted:I’m calling now that this isn’t going to work at all. Longo’s offense by design is not complementary football for how Fickell likes to play defense, and his running schemes are not going to be diverse enough to keep the ball when they want. Dude is so reductive with his personnel and route combos that I just don’t get it at a place like Wisconsin where your receiving threats are all heavily developmental guys and not raw matchup problems who don’t need much training. You can open things up without losing your core offense or being overly reductive—just screams overcorrection to me. Ground and pound manball is going to be a lot less effective when divisions go away. I doubt Kyle Wittingham has a much different football philosophy than Fickell or Ferentz or whoever, but Utah can still spread out and put up points when needed. Maybe not the full Longo experience, but Wisconsin has to expand beyond the power run game
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Ground and pound manball is going to be a lot less effective when divisions go away. I doubt Kyle Wittingham has a much different football philosophy than Fickell or Ferentz or whoever, but Utah can still spread out and put up points when needed. Maybe not the full Longo experience, but Wisconsin has to expand beyond the power run game a.) why will it be less effective? and b.) you know the Pac12 effectively didn't have divisions this year right?
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Judgy Fucker posted:I won't disagree with your perceptions as an actual VT fan, you certainly know more than I do, but I would've had no clue that VT considered itself rivals with GT or Miami. VT-GT has only been played 19 times, VT-Miami is 40 and annually since '92 so okay yeah I can see that. VT-GT is certainly a newer rivalry but I think both schools are decently invested in it. In the 00's through the early 10's, the VT-GT game determined the winner of the Coastal almost every year, so both fanbases were pretty hyped about that game every year. I think nowadays both schools consider each other to be their third-biggest rival, after UGA and Clemson for GT (lol) and after UVA and Miami for VT. Add in the fact that we're the two "Tech" schools in the conference and you've got a natural rivalry.
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Komet posted:I mean WVU has more dedicated fans and is more valuable than Rutgers, which exists in an enormous TV market that doesn't care about college football. I posted a few weeks ago that the Rutgers-Maryland game only drew 90,000 watchers on the Big Ten Network. I mean, look at this: Lol more people were at the OSU-UM game than watched Rutgers on TV.
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Pakled posted:VT-GT is certainly a newer rivalry but I think both schools are decently invested in it. In the 00's through the early 10's, the VT-GT game determined the winner of the Coastal almost every year, so both fanbases were pretty hyped about that game every year. I think nowadays both schools consider each other to be their third-biggest rival, after UGA and Clemson for GT (lol) and after UVA and Miami for VT. Add in the fact that we're the two "Tech" schools in the conference and you've got a natural rivalry. I'd say WVU is higher than GT for VT, but yes that rating is right for our ACC rivalries from my opinion.
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Pakled posted:VT-GT is certainly a newer rivalry but I think both schools are decently invested in it. In the 00's through the early 10's, the VT-GT game determined the winner of the Coastal almost every year, so both fanbases were pretty hyped about that game every year. I think nowadays both schools consider each other to be their third-biggest rival, after UGA and Clemson for GT (lol) and after UVA and Miami for VT. Add in the fact that we're the two "Tech" schools in the conference and you've got a natural rivalry. All fair, and I certainly didn't mean to suggest that VT and GT weren't or shouldn't be rivals. Just an outsider's perspective on the visibility of certain rivalries.
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drunk leprechaun posted:a.) why will it be less effective? All the former B1G West teams can't beat up the B1G West anymore and have to play good teams a lot more
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:All the former B1G West teams can't beat up the B1G West anymore and have to play good teams a lot more So why does that make that type of football less effective? You know UGA just won the natty, and is likely to win another playing that style of football right? And Utah is back to back conf champs, the second on in a division free Pac12 playing that style of ball right? Like yes teams in the west will likely have a harder time making the conf championship game, but I fail to see how that means run heave power man ball is now irrelevant. drunk leprechaun fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Dec 9, 2022 |
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It works for UGA and Bama because they have dudes everywhere and play the best possible version of manball. Wisconsin trying to pound better teams A gap over and over does not work It works for Utah be a use the Pac 12 sucks and they can and do throw the ball plenty
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:It works for UGA and Bama because they have dudes everywhere and play the best possible version of manball. Wisconsin trying to pound better teams A gap over and over does not work Are we talking about the B1G where Michigan just runs straight at people until the defence dies and they just spend the entire second half walking into the end zone repeatedly?
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drunk leprechaun posted:So why does that make that type of football less effective? You know UGA just won the natty, and is likely to win another playing that style of football right? And Utah is back to back conf champs, the second on in a division free Pac12 playing that style of ball right? Like yes teams in the west will likely have a harder time making the conf championship game, but I fail to see how that means run heave power man ball is now irrelevant. Georgia’s offense hasn’t really been that under Monken. That’s what Kirby tried to do his first few years and it didn’t work. Georgia still runs it a lot but that’s because they’re often nursing big leads. Bennett is second in yards among SEC QBs and he’s only 300 behind a Mike leach guy. UGA isn’t shy about throwing the ball. YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Dec 9, 2022 |
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drunk leprechaun posted:So why does that make that type of football less effective? You know UGA just won the natty, and is likely to win another playing that style of football right? And Utah is back to back conf champs, the second on in a division free Pac12 playing that style of ball right? Like yes teams in the west will likely have a harder time making the conf championship game, but I fail to see how that means run heave power man ball is now irrelevant. UNC under Longo did run the ball though? 3 of the last 4 years they had more rushing yards per game than Georgia. 1 year in the last 4 they had more than Utah with another one within a couple yards per game. So where is this coming from that now Wisconsin won't run the ball?
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A move to pods is going to effect the teams in the West that much. Nebraska already gets two out of the Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State triangle pretty much every year. There are bad teams in the East as well. UCLA and USC are probably not going to have great immediate success just based on having to prepare for teams their rosters haven't been built to counter. "Schedule luck" is going to be a factor, but it already has been in the past. I'm sure some current Big Ten West team will eventually have a wonderful regular season going up against Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, post-Brohm Purdue, Minnesota, Northwestern, UCLA on a 9 AM Pacific kick time, Illinois, and Nebraska. Why doesn't some team blend tempo and clock control football? By this I mean: line up sans huddle immediately after the conclusion of the previous play in some completely generic package. Don't substitute so the defense can't sub in new players either. Just sit there motionless for 20 seconds or whatever until the play clock ticks down to ~eight seconds. Then shift into the play's actual formation and snap the ball with 1-2 seconds left. The defense can't make substitutions and really can't read much of anything before the snap because of the movement. The offense gets to bleed the clock and take pressure off the defense. What is the downside I'm not seeing? Lineman can't sit still that long?
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PBCrunch posted:Why doesn't some team blend tempo and clock control football? By this I mean: line up sans huddle immediately after the conclusion of the previous play in some completely generic package. Don't substitute so the defense can't sub in new players either. Just sit there motionless for 20 seconds or whatever until the play clock ticks down to ~eight seconds. Then shift into the play's actual formation and snap the ball with 1-2 seconds left. I think some teams do kinda do this, although not every play. But from a very aggressive form which you seem to be envisioning... Hmm, just from a functional standpoint I think it's a little bit of a pain in the rear end for linemen to sit in a three point stance for the whole play clock without resetting/standing up and looking at the sideline, whatever...over and over and over again for the entire game making it look like you just might snap the ball. Not saying it couldn't work, but that'd be my initial thought.
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N: Bobby Petrino emerges as candidate for Texas A&M OC position V: Hell yeah, Jimbo continues to assemble the Suicide Squad of coaching staffs (please get rid of Adazzio though, he did a bad job with the OL this year)
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General Dog posted:N: Bobby Petrino emerges as candidate for Texas A&M OC position Gotta double down on that culture. It worked well this year.
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pseudodragon posted:Are we talking about the B1G where Michigan just runs straight at people until the defence dies and they just spend the entire second half walking into the end zone repeatedly? god I love university of Michigan football
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General Dog posted:N: Bobby Petrino emerges as candidate for Texas A&M OC position DJ Durkin is on that staff, so technically it's a Homicide Squad
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https://twitter.com/MrMatthewCFB/status/1601425059331002368?t=B8XT_0eYPkmzjXiQ93x7wA&s=19 https://twitter.com/BryanDFischer/status/1601429051549560832?s=19 shyduck fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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Montana St.'s turf is an ice rink lmao they picked the wrong game to put on ESPN2
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https://twitter.com/acosta32_jp/status/1601585511038332929 https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1601590228719763456 Vertical Lime fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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And that game was only on ESPN+
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Ryan Day is absolutely the weirdest looking dude
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Highliy recommend the Georgia high school 7A championshp game, if you can stream it. Mill Creek is on a whole different level and Carrollton's got a freshman quarterback that's going to be pretty elite. He's thrown for 400 yards at halftime, though Mill Creek is ahead 49-28. During one stretch there were 5 touchdowns combined between the two teams in 55 seconds.
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