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Smythe posted:doesn’t this count as idolatry ?? mods? catholics do it why can't protestants
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Smythe posted:doesn’t this count as idolatry ?? mods? Yeah good point da pope could afford it easy
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AnimeIsTrash posted:just discovered that the people that make oatmeal have their own religion ~_~ actually lold irl when reading this and my gf asked what it was about, and then she said she wanted to be a quaker and still thinks about it sometimes. 🙏
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Achieving Nirvana has never been easier
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why are they drug testing them, are they all on a baseball team together?
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quote:Mr Thintapthai told AFP that the "temple is now empty of monks and nearby villagers are concerned they cannot do any merit-making". phew
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loving junkie monks won't let me grind karma on them
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lmao the unitarians i know are all some of the most chill people ever, that is out of loving nowhere
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Azathoth posted:lmao the unitarians i know are all some of the most chill people ever, that is out of loving nowhere I’m pretty sure it's a bit
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My guess is that they gave social media control to an extremely online zoomer
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indigi posted:I’m pretty sure it's a bit boooooo
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indigi posted:I’m pretty sure it's a bit it’s brought out some real interesting folks in the replies though, good respectable bait
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i know im not allowed to post about school anymore but we did st augustine in lecture the past 2 weeks and it was epic
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Just another trinitarian boob imo.
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Someone posted and another thread about the thing where you have the thing and then symbols of the thing and then eventually everyone is just chasing weird corrupt symbols and when I'm trying to say is that Jesus was actually an early socialist but then you know a bunch of assholes subsumed him into the broader project of imperialism that eventually evolved into capitalism
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Weka posted:Just another trinitarian boob imo. Now I want to watch Total Recall.
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Harold Fjord posted:Someone posted and another thread about the thing where you have the thing and then symbols of the thing and then eventually everyone is just chasing weird corrupt symbols and when I'm trying to say is that Jesus was actually an early socialist but then you know a bunch of assholes subsumed him into the broader project of imperialism that eventually evolved into capitalism I'm always leery of applying modern concepts or ideologies to people who didn't have the frameworks that we have, particularly economic ones, but as much as Christians focus on Jesus' spiritual message, he had just as strong of a temporal message about taking care of the worst off in society. So much of what he said can be boiled down to "make sure everyone's physical and spiritual needs are met" but so much of modern Christianity definitely likes to leave out the physical part.
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Dec 9, 2022 15:27
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hinduism is socialist
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Azathoth posted:I'm always leery of applying modern concepts or ideologies to people who didn't have the frameworks that we have, particularly economic ones, l definitely likes to leave out the physical part. They had people who owned things they could leverage for power and people who didn't and that's really all it comes down to
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Harold Fjord posted:They had people who owned things they could leverage for power and people who didn't and that's really all it comes down to Yeah, and as much as Prosperity Gospel evangelicals want to twist the message, the Gospels are pretty drat clear that Jesus' message was that being rich was bad and not taking care of the poor was bad. Given that Jesus and the people of his time did not really have a concept of the separation of church and state, and given how often Jesus directly calls out leaders who we would understand today as a combination of religious and civic leaders, it isn't hard to see Jesus as someone calling for the government to take care of the poor. If that isn't socialistic, I don't know what is.
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Azathoth posted:So much of what he said can be boiled down to "make sure everyone's physical and spiritual needs are met" but so much of modern Christianity definitely likes to leave out the physical part. They leave the spiritual part out too. They have an emotional experience that masquerades as a spiritual one.
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Animal-Mother posted:They leave the spiritual part out too. They have an emotional experience that masquerades as a spiritual one. Yeah, very fair.
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Oh man the emotional experience masquerading as spiritual is such a great way to describe how we reach that last step where suddenly we are rewriting that the eye of the needle was actually a physical gate and it's great to be rich
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I think Jesus-as-early-socialist is less illuminating than looking at his teaching as being distinctly and radically anti-class, especially against the backgrounds of politically classed Roman Judea and spiritually classed Judaism of the time. History would seem, to me at least, to bear this out -- the earliest churches were like, apocalyptic Bookchinean communalists, and overwhelmingly persecuted. As Christianity grew it gained enough adherents to reach a critical mass where it had to be synthesized and assimilated and from there you get the perversion of Jesus' teachings into whatever the social structure of the time was. You immediately got an explosion of cults/heresies/syncretic traditions where Christian groups adapted to Roman social structure and political economy and eventually solidified became organized into a proto-orthodoxy that went on to become Catholicism to adapt Christianity to European feudalism (and vice versa) as/after Rome fell. Protestantism arises after/amidst (depending on how you want to look at it) the crises of the late middle ages as mercantilism supplants feudalism and eventually resolves as capitalism. Catholicism persists in Europe thanks largely to well established modes of feudal power then later in Europe's colonies as a tool of colonial extraction. You can see it in continue on in America, too, where various Christian projects all eventually peter out and are consumed by American Evangelicalism, which distills early capital Protestantism into its fully atomic mature capital form where the only thing that matters is the singular individual's specific and personal relationship with God, through whom all things are forgiven -- the new spiritual justification for whatever horrors you visit on your fellow Christian in the name of the market. And finally the full and complete synthesis of Christianity and capitalism in Mormonism, which completely obliterates the remaining spiritual aspects of Christianity to replace it with the idea that you get to actually, materially, be God when you die. The core truth of Jesus' teachings, that there is no distinction between any of us, can't exist in a class society and, if it can't be destroyed, has to be twisted to reify the status quo, and every time it does it loses more and more in the deformation. It's not really any wonder anything you see in eg. contemporary American Christianity is so incredibly divorced from even the gospels, not to mention hideously alien and brutal to anyone not exemplary of the societal ideal.
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jesus hosed my rear end
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I think the bottom line is that religion can be revolutionary, but isn't inherently. If we reach a point where we are a classless society, I genuinely don't believe that there will be any need for religion.
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Some people just need something to get them out of the house. An arbitrary social group to have pot lucks with.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:I think Jesus-as-early-socialist is less illuminating than looking at his teaching as being distinctly and radically anti-class, especially against the backgrounds of politically classed Roman Judea and spiritually classed Judaism of the time. History would seem, to me at least, to bear this out -- the earliest churches were like, apocalyptic Bookchinean communalists, and overwhelmingly persecuted. As Christianity grew it gained enough adherents to reach a critical mass where it had to be synthesized and assimilated and from there you get the perversion of Jesus' teachings into whatever the social structure of the time was. Well said.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:You can see it in continue on in America, too, where various Christian projects all eventually peter out and are consumed by American Evangelicalism, which distills early capital Protestantism into its fully atomic mature capital form where the only thing that matters is the singular individual's specific and personal relationship with God, through whom all things are forgiven -- the new spiritual justification for whatever horrors you visit on your fellow Christian in the name of the market. And finally the full and complete synthesis of Christianity and capitalism in Mormonism, which completely obliterates the remaining spiritual aspects of Christianity to replace it with the idea that you get to actually, materially, be God when you die. man… I don’t know much about evangelicals but my partner grew up in a heavily evangelical environment for 20 years, with Republican parents, in Washington state. after that she theology, ended up working retail in Capitol Hill and having gay roommates, and going into an underpaid (but unionized) public sector job. I think that experience of exploitation, downward mobility, austerity, and being a little on the spectrum led her to be receptive to ideas of Marxism because she had lived this herself, and also saw the impacts of capital on how her life didn’t turn out like her parents’, why her siblings have drug problems and why “tough love” didn’t work, and so on. I’m unsure if most people get this kind of exposure. she still “believes in something out there,” and is big on coincidences and stuff (drives me nuts) but nothing really organized. she thought about becoming a Quaker a few years ago, I suppose I’m glad she didn’t and I ended up with this unicorn. Some of the communitarian and charitable Jesus stuff was helpful for us to establish the common ground for conversation. The money lenders bit especially. mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 23:38 on Dec 9, 2022 |
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Animal-Mother posted:They leave the spiritual part out too. They have an emotional experience that masquerades as a spiritual one. what is the difference between a strong emotional experience and a spiritual one? i have never been religious and being religious feels very alien to me in a litteral sense, it cant even really imagine what it would feel like i do have a... emotional(?) inclination towards animism in general and i should really read more about it but  like, how does spiritual experience feel and how different is it from say a euphoric emotional experience like being at a sports event when a big play happens and the crowd explodes or something on the other end like getting up very early and walking the empty streets, listening to the birds and enjoying the fresh air? AnimeIsTrash posted:jesus hosed my rear end 
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mawarannahr posted:man… I don’t know much about evangelicals but my partner grew up in a heavily evangelical environment for 20 years, with Republican parents, in Washington state. after that she theology, ended up working retail in Capitol Hill and having gay roommates, and going into an underpaid (but unionized) public sector job. I think that experience of exploitation, downward mobility, austerity, and being a little on the spectrum led her to be receptive to ideas of Marxism because she had lived this herself, and also saw the impacts of capital on how her life didn’t turn out like her parents’, why her siblings have drug problems and why “tough love” didn’t work, and so on. I’m unsure if most people get this kind of exposure. I can definitely relate, having had a pretty similar experience. I think something working against* evangelical Protestantism is that as long as you get poor working folks in a room together to talk about their troubles you're going to get the basic chemical reactions of class consciousness, despite whatever garbage is being shouted at them at the time, and I'm sure if some "love thy neighbor" gets through it can only help. *that said capital consumes its challengers so what happens is not that the parishioners become communists, but instead that enough people get fed up about the pastor's fancy clothes and big house and nice car and recognize that the sermons are straying further and further away from God's truth and closer to petty political arguments and break off and create their own church -- and it's really good! It gets people fired up and in the spirit and more and more people show up and two years later well thank you lord by your generous grace we can afford this here 14,000 sq ft megachurch and some Mercedes for the new pastor and his idiot kids. this happened 3(!) times in my childhood after my Dad lost his job and got fed up with the Catholic church and became an evangelical ("non-denominational"), eventually even he got sick of it and just did small bible studies with his friends for the rest of his life and generally calmed way, way down about everything.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:the only thing that matters is the singular individual's specific and personal relationship with God, through whom all things are forgiven This is what they told us, just believe this and you go to Heaven, and you probably won't even have to die because it looks like the Rapture will be soon. The result for many of us was that we lost all motivation to try to succeed in this life, to do well in school, to develop a good career, to be politically engaged, all those kinds of things. Because why would any of that matter? We believe the thing we need to believe to unlock eternal paradise. Flunking classes and not looking for work doesn't matter at all in the face of that. But the only time they seemed to notice this problem was when we had the gall... the UNMITIGATED GALL... to not think it was important to win at school sports. That's when they hit us with the new line, "In everything you do, make sure you're praising God to the fullest." They made absolutely certain to repeat this mantra before every game. lmao
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Megamissen posted:like, how does spiritual experience feel and how different is it from say a euphoric emotional experience It's a bit like the Stroggification scene from Quake 4.
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Harold Fjord posted:They had people who owned things they could leverage for power and people who didn't and that's really all it comes down to Nah man they had social relations they could leverage for power big difference from the bourgeoisie imo. Elon Musk's power base isn't tied up in the personal relationships with the people who are in charge of the farms where his food is grown War and Pieces has issued a correction as of 02:04 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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