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flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes

Khanstant posted:


Game Knights is the one WotC sponsor's directly, right? Fun enough show when the main dudes aren't steamrolling guests but I guess I've never seen them knock WotC in any way and they also seem scared and apologize a lot when going through scripts for eps.

lrr also partners with wotc to run stuff like friday nights and the preprereleases and are fairly explicit about wotc not having any control + just spent most of the first half of their year end wrapup podcast dunking on bad decisions (with having to hold themselves back on talking about m30 before the second half), so imo this is probably projection

also fwiw the professor is the main person people go to for Real Unfiltered Talk About Magic The Gathering (that isn't also mired in being super racist and bigoted) so i think it'd probably undercut that whole persona for him to say that wotc likes him and he's on good terms with gavin and a bunch of other people at wizards, so take it with a grain of salt

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Wittgen
Oct 13, 2012

We have decided to decline your offer of a butt kicking.
I could definitely see some head up their rear end corporate type take real offense at that. "We reprinted fetch lands and the jackass who is always ranting about reprints attacked us for it? gently caress him."

The Human Crouton
Sep 20, 2002

Desolator Magic is the only source you need.

Fish Of Doom
Aug 18, 2004
I'm too awake for this to be a nightmare


Wittgen posted:

I could definitely see some head up their rear end corporate type take real offense at that. "We reprinted fetch lands and the jackass who is always ranting about reprints attacked us for it? gently caress him."

That was their reasoning for going on his channel to promote it. "You're always begging for fetchland reprints, well we're doing it but it's highly limited and prohibitively expensive. Happy now?"

And he's like, "Not really."

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

Fish Of Doom posted:

The last time I think they worked with him was that $250 fetchland Secret Lair box thing, which was a bullshit product. He had Gavin on and did an initial puff piece about it, but then later criticized it and that was it. He doesn't even get preview cards anymore.

For the preview cards, at least, he refused the last one they offered him so that tends to get you taken off the list.

generatrix
Aug 8, 2008

Nothing hurts like a scrape
The Command Zone / Game Knights are a bit overboard with positivity, even when it seems like they don’t actually like the set (the CZ episode on Unfinity commanders was weirdly uncomfortable). I like their breakdowns of new commander options, but wouldn’t trust a review from them.

LoadingReadyRun seem genuine. Their initial impressions during a pre-prerelease are usually leaning positive, but that probably comes from it being a first look and a fun situation (my experiences at a prerelease are usually like that too). They don’t seem to shy away from saying they didn’t like stuff.

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
the vibes of command zone/game knights are just off to me so i haven't watched their stuff in a long time. the gameplay stuff is so overproduced that they ended up making a less-produced spinoff series, and their card ratings and evaluations always seem real off. i'd always chalked it up to wanting to really feed the youtube algorithm with flash and big moments and forced excitement though, especially since their main Product is 'trying to make youtube people watch hours-long commander games' and generally people only sit around for that long if they're twitch stream vod crossposts or it's a Video Essay

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Framboise posted:

It's telling that they wouldn't want to work with the most well known and generally reliable content creator who has probably drawn in tens of thousands of paying customers to them just because he gives candid reviews of their products

I'm not at all surprised, yet still, lmao

He's literally the most family friendly, fair person in the magic sphere. Funny that there are people who support extremely graphic rape fanfiction and WOTC doesn't care

Abhorrence
Feb 5, 2010

A love that crushes like a mace.

precision posted:

I'm not at all surprised, yet still, lmao

He's literally the most family friendly, fair person in the magic sphere. Funny that there are people who support extremely graphic rape fanfiction and WOTC doesn't care

You can't just say that and not elaborate!

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Abhorrence posted:

You can't just say that and not elaborate!

Spice 8 rack had a guest on once, a magic proxy artist i think? and out of curiosity I checked out their website and there was a whole section of the kind of erotica that's so extreme I think it's legitimately like, harmful to consume, let alone create

Edit: I don't know if wotc are still friendly with spice, I just know they were at the time

Lieutenant Centaur
Oct 17, 2010

A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon

The Human Crouton posted:

Desolator Magic is the only source you need.

BadBoyMTG

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

precision posted:

Spice 8 rack had a guest on once, a magic proxy artist i think? and out of curiosity I checked out their website and there was a whole section of the kind of erotica that's so extreme I think it's legitimately like, harmful to consume, let alone create

Edit: I don't know if wotc are still friendly with spice, I just know they were at the time

This third and fourth degree guilt by association is so toxic.

Framboise
Sep 21, 2014

To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.


Lipstick Apathy

The Human Crouton posted:

Desolator Magic is the only source you need.

DesolatorMagic is just Diet Germy Hamburger.

It's crazy really. Back when I started Magic in 2016 or so, I started watching content on youtube to learn more about the game. Those two were people who frequently showed up on my recommended videos and while they both seemed weird and grouchy, it wasn't until about a few months after that when the masks fell off (this was prior to the Sprankle incident) and made it very clear that while there's very much a left-leaning to full on leftist section of MtG youtubers who do pretty good content, there's also a "new magic player to alt-right pipeline" that is very real and I noped out of that so loving fast

kas
Sep 9, 2003
I am a snoot.


precision posted:

Spice 8 rack had a guest on once, a magic proxy artist i think? and out of curiosity I checked out their website and there was a whole section of the kind of erotica that's so extreme I think it's legitimately like, harmful to consume, let alone create

Edit: I don't know if wotc are still friendly with spice, I just know they were at the time

Following this same lovely logic, you willingly post on a site that's had murderers, pedophiles and animal abusers on it...

TotalHell
Feb 22, 2005

Roman Reigns fights CM Punk in fantasy warld. Lotsa violins, so littl kids cant red it.


flatluigi posted:

the vibes of command zone/game knights are just off to me so i haven't watched their stuff in a long time. the gameplay stuff is so overproduced that they ended up making a less-produced spinoff series, and their card ratings and evaluations always seem real off. i'd always chalked it up to wanting to really feed the youtube algorithm with flash and big moments and forced excitement though, especially since their main Product is 'trying to make youtube people watch hours-long commander games' and generally people only sit around for that long if they're twitch stream vod crossposts or it's a Video Essay

Yeah I don’t mind watching the occasional Game Knights Ep if I’m in the mood for something overproduced. I feel like they do a good job of explaining their gameplay as it progresses, which has been helpful to me. But in general I’d much rather watch Shuffle Up and Play (the Prof’s gameplay series) or anything LRR does.

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

precision posted:

I'm not at all surprised, yet still, lmao

He's literally the most family friendly, fair person in the magic sphere. Funny that there are people who support extremely graphic rape fanfiction and WOTC doesn't care

precision posted:

Spice 8 rack had a guest on once, a magic proxy artist i think? and out of curiosity I checked out their website and there was a whole section of the kind of erotica that's so extreme I think it's legitimately like, harmful to consume, let alone create

Edit: I don't know if wotc are still friendly with spice, I just know they were at the time

This is an absolutely deranged leap of logic

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010
people write really out-there erotic fiction all the time, to call literal fiction "harmful to consume" is clutching pearls to the max

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

A big flaming stink posted:

people write really out-there erotic fiction all the time, to call literal fiction "harmful to consume" is clutching pearls to the max

Not sure this is the hill you really want to go out on, chief.

Eikre
May 2, 2009
Precision, if you want to continue posting here, we need a full list of all of your associates, and all of their associates, and a complete audit of all of their sexual dispositions. Just gotta make sure you're not some kind of creep.

Thom Yorke raps
Nov 2, 2004


Jabor posted:

Not sure this is the hill you really want to go out on, chief.

Yeah, we should go back to banning books like Ulysses and other filth!

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

It’s Eternal Weekend lads!

https://twitter.com/legacyeutour/status/1601553686941282304?s=46&t=LTHRpFqxJt0Rrj4YGXrNTg

Modern meta looking pretty good. It’s hilarious how Scam has evolved from being a streamer meme, to being a league deck, to doing well in challenges, to being one of the most represented decks at a big tournament lol.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

kas posted:

Following this same lovely logic, you willingly post on a site that's had murderers, pedophiles and animal abusers on it...

But I don't knowingly promote them

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

fadam posted:

It’s Eternal Weekend lads!

https://twitter.com/legacyeutour/status/1601553686941282304?s=46&t=LTHRpFqxJt0Rrj4YGXrNTg

Modern meta looking pretty good. It’s hilarious how Scam has evolved from being a streamer meme, to being a league deck, to doing well in challenges, to being one of the most represented decks at a big tournament lol.

Mulling to 5 after keeping 7 sucks, actually.
Oh and it attacks. Of course it does.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Fish Of Doom posted:

That was their reasoning for going on his channel to promote it. "You're always begging for fetchland reprints, well we're doing it but it's highly limited and prohibitively expensive. Happy now?"

And he's like, "Not really."

thats hilarious, i need to watch that video. good for him and us. he was one of the first magic contents I saw, first video I wasn't sure what to make of him, seemed nice but couldn't tell if he was going to end up being the Bad Guy kind of youtuber and he definitely wasn't, super glad ran into him because after that I found some of the Bad youtubers yellin, being vicious, ragebaity, etc.

PleasantKenobi does vids with professor sometimes and I occasionally check his stuff out and he is really the opposite of professor's content making style. Mostly just him unscripted in front of a camera ranting with the intensity of someone trying to lead a revolution or something but it's just fussing about whatever being expensive or poo poo.

Shuffle Up and Play is good. Game Knights autoplays itself a lot and I let it play if I like the guests. Josh Lee Kwai has an amusing role on that show as the fun police, I'm not sure I've ever seen him not play a blue deck stacked with counters. But ion commander there's always room for that so I get it.

Quintessential MTG have some good game videos too. Maybe I just like watching commander games

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Rhystic studies and spice8rack are both must watches too imo

Wittgen
Oct 13, 2012

We have decided to decline your offer of a butt kicking.
As someone who wasn't playing during llorwyn, I really appreciated Spice8Rack's llorwyn video. Also, I don't particularly care about the story, so it's nice to see an exploration of that side of the game.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Captain Invictus posted:

Rhystic studies and spice8rack are both must watches too imo

ill check out the former but spice8rack is really fun, he was in one of the first prof videos i saw, thought he was doing a bit or was in-character until i watched a lore vid on his channel

I brought my Drake
Jul 10, 2014

These high-G injections have some serious side effects after pulling so many jumps.

Quest for the Janklord cratered pretty hard during the pandemic but they're doing new episodes now. Rhystic Studies is also pretty good. I'm a big fan of Magic content that isn't just the same five decks being played against each other or overanalyzing the latest set drops.

Weird Pumpkin
Oct 7, 2007

HootTheOwl posted:

Mulling to 5 after keeping 7 sucks, actually.
Oh and it attacks. Of course it does.

It doesn't just attack, it has menace so you can't even chump it :sigh:

Modern would be a pretty great format right now if there wasn't the elementals I think.

It's still mostly fun for free events, but man I can't imagine paying a significant amount to enter anything right now

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream
The elementals are actively making modern better. There were huge play/draw differentials that have largely been ironed out in large part due to them

sit on my Facebook
Jun 20, 2007

ASS GAS OR GRASS
No One Rides for FREE
In the Trumplord Holy Land
Totally agree. Getting double Griefed turn one is a bummer but there are a million sideboard tech options that disrupt that. Fury and Solitude have both made the format better

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
As far as I know there's only two cards to stop the t1 double grief, and they're both leylines. Everything else requires two or more cards from you .
And also not having any mana up when you get griefed means play/draw matters more than ever.
Prismatic ending and heat helped play/draw. The elementals made it worse.

HootTheOwl fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Dec 10, 2022

jassi007
Aug 9, 2006

mmmmm.. burger...

fadam posted:

It’s Eternal Weekend lads!

https://twitter.com/legacyeutour/status/1601553686941282304?s=46&t=LTHRpFqxJt0Rrj4YGXrNTg

Modern meta looking pretty good. It’s hilarious how Scam has evolved from being a streamer meme, to being a league deck, to doing well in challenges, to being one of the most represented decks at a big tournament lol.

Most magic players are terrible at card evaluation and deck building. They'll just copy whatever looks fun and a streamer wins a league with. Go look on reddit, I think its the modern subreddit they put up disclaimers about Apiring Spike decks lol.

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

jassi007 posted:

Most magic players are terrible at card evaluation and deck building. They'll just copy whatever looks fun and a streamer wins a league with. Go look on reddit, I think its the modern subreddit they put up disclaimers about Apiring Spike decks lol.

Scam is good imo, I just took a while to get convinced.

Weird Pumpkin
Oct 7, 2007

Time posted:

The elementals are actively making modern better. There were huge play/draw differentials that have largely been ironed out in large part due to them

I mostly just wish they were actually spells so that they weren't both threats and extremely efficient answers :shobon:

Edit: though I guess thinking about it it's mostly fury that's wildly efficient. Really I just miss viable creature/go wide decks existing. Feels weird to just not have any of those strategies be good

Weird Pumpkin fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Dec 10, 2022

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream

HootTheOwl posted:

Prismatic ending and heat helped play/draw. The elementals made it worse.

The disparity disappeared in matches where white isn’t played. Its also gone in decks that run elementals. It’s still around in matchups where neither is played. So not really

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream

Weird Pumpkin posted:

I mostly just wish they were actually spells so that they weren't both threats and extremely efficient answers :shobon:

Edit: though I guess thinking about it it's mostly fury that's wildly efficient. Really I just miss viable creature/go wide decks existing. Feels weird to just not have any of those strategies be good

i agree. I wish there more decks like humans and spirits that were viable. Here’s hoping they get some support

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Time posted:

The disparity disappeared in matches where white isn’t played. Its also gone in decks that run elementals. It’s still around in matchups where neither is played. So not really

Heat is red
And if it isn't in white, then it how can solitude be at all responsible?

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream

HootTheOwl posted:

Heat is red
And if it isn't in white, then it how can solitude be at all responsible?

Sorry, posted too fast. Prismatic ending is barely played in the format, even in deck with white. Of the top 10 decks by meta share only omnath runs it with any regularity. It’s not affecting play draw of the format at all with only being played in like 6% of decks. I have no doubt that it does help in the matchups where it is played, that’s just not very often.

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HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Time posted:

Sorry, posted too fast. Prismatic ending is barely played in the format, even in deck with white. Of the top 10 decks by meta share only omnath runs it with any regularity. It’s not affecting play draw of the format at all with only being played in like 6% of decks. I have no doubt that it does help in the matchups where it is played, that’s just not very often.
Where are you getting 6% from?
Or the play draw disparity from?

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/modern suggests ending sees more play than solitude but looking at that eternal weekend meta post it's fury which sees all the play.
Probably because it's the only one which goes up cards and why you'll never see humans or spirits out up big numbers again.

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