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FizFashizzle posted:Could it be his rib injury? Do people just assume he's healed now. This thing takes like 6 months to heal.
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Dec 9, 2022 20:16
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Diva Cupcake posted:The Chargers should draft a WR because Keenan Allen is cooked. Also there are no good FA WRs this year. Yikes you’re not kidding. The biggest names I see are like Juju and Allen Lazard and then some olds like Julio or Jarvis Landry. RB is pretty stacked but lol if you wanna be the GM that cuts Josh Jacobs a $30 million check
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Diva Cupcake posted:The Chargers should draft a WR because Keenan Allen is cooked. Also there are no good FA WRs this year. Apparently you can trade for pretty good WRs in their prime for a sixth round pick (yes i am still mad the Jets didn't make that move for Amari Cooper)
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fsif posted:Herbert's rookie year was one of the best I've ever seen and he was very much in that Mahomes/Allen/Burrow conversation last year. Baker's highs were never this high and he's also had more bad seasons than good ones. Well yes that’s my entire point. People are just retreating to his past rather than dealing with the player he is now. Could he recover? Sure but I don’t think the excuses are as ironclad reasoning as people have convinced themselves
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Nodoze posted:There is a wide chasm between Herbert and Baker Yes but with enough moxie I think Herbert can get there!
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sirtommygunn posted:Apparently you can trade for pretty good WRs in their prime for a sixth round pick (yes i am still mad the Jets didn't make that move for Amari Cooper)
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CharlestheHammer posted:It is funny because I think whether someone likes a player factors in. Hence why Herbert gets every excuse under the sun while Baker under similar circumstances gets nothing. Baker’s performance has been notably worse than Herbert’s, even if you consider the situations equivalent (I think baker had a better setup in Cleveland and much worse in Carolina). I don’t think Herbert really needs an “excused for being…decent but unspectacular
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CharlestheHammer posted:Well yes that’s my entire point. People are just retreating to his past rather than dealing with the player he is now. Could he recover? Sure but I don’t think the excuses are as ironclad reasoning as people have convinced themselves The player he is now is fine though. Even with the injury he’s been good, just not as good as last year. He’s still a top 10 QB. Edit: He’s 4th in yards, 8th in TDs, has a 66% completion rate, a 1.3% Int rate….he’s not Mahomes or Allen, but you’d still take him over all but maybe a half dozen guys. YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Dec 9, 2022 |
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Dec 9, 2022 20:26
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Diva Cupcake posted:It seems silly to still be mad at it. Like I'm sure we all would have traded #10 overall for Deebo Samuel at the time and given him $25m per year but honestly having Garrett Wilson is probably going to be a much better value going forward. I'm not talking about Deebo though? I don't care at all about him, big difference between trading for a player with a 1st and with a 6th.
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CharlestheHammer posted:It is funny because I think whether someone likes a player factors in. Hence why Herbert gets every excuse under the sun while Baker under similar circumstances gets nothing. to be clear people are calling this a down year from herbert and he's going to meet or exceed baker's best year. they're not comparable. herbert is legit, even on a "down" season, a top 10 qb.
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CharlestheHammer posted:It is funny because I think whether someone likes a player factors in. Hence why Herbert gets every excuse under the sun while Baker under similar circumstances gets nothing. Baker didn’t look like he could complete the route tree in Carolina. Part of me thinks he’s just dumb as bricks and needs a coach who knows how to work with a blithering idiot. They mentioned that on the broadcast last night.
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sirtommygunn posted:I'm not talking about Deebo though? I don't care at all about him, big difference between trading for a player with a 1st and with a 6th. In a vacuum Amari Cooper for a 6th is a steal though.
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I also think as excuses for QBs go, "he has no receivers" is a really valid one. You have any idea what Allen would look like if Gabe Davis was his top receiver? If Burrow didn't have Chase and Higgins? Tua without Hill and Waddle? Mahomes without Kelce? Look at how Rodgers's numbers have dipped without Adams.
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fsif posted:I also think as excuses for QBs go, "he has no receivers" is a really valid one. Tua without Waddle and Hill, and McDaniel, was literally bordering on being out of a job
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Herbert is the only QB in the league with multiple $20m per year WRs*. *They're injured and old.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Herbert is the only QB in the league with multiple $20m per year WRs*. Money is a bad way to judge how good weapons are, cause the Patriots have a lot of money tied up in WR/TE and well..
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Didn't Baker set a lot of rookie QB records that were then broken by Herbert? They have different personalities for sure, but both are also in similar positions (in that they have had garbage coaching for most of their NFL careers). Baker's had several more years to prove he can't will a franchise into winning, but then there's only like two or three QBs in any given season that can do that. He, and possibly Herbert (though I think Herbert is the better QB who's hampered by team injuries, a bad OC, and being on the Chargers in general), are mid-tier QBs who need a good coach and team to really shine, and will look like rear end otherwise. In conclusion, Baker Mayfield is Jared Goff. e: I think Justin Herbert will be Phillip Rivers. A great and promising QB who never finds success mostly because of the team he's on. Which, hey, it's not a bad gig if you don't mind not getting a ring.
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At some point, the rib injury doesn't matter. He's deemed healthy enough to play and I'm sure even he wouldn't use it as an excuse. If you say you can play, then you are judged as if you are healthy. This is true regardless of position or hype. Not even saying it's fair, but there isn't going to be an asterisk next to his stats or team record.
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I mean the thing is that Herbert's not even playing poorly. So much of Tanier's dumb take is built around the premise that Herbert's performance is somewhere between Marcus Mariota's and Daniel Jones's because that's what DYAR says (which also has Goff as the league's third best QB).
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Why do people keep posting like Herbert is having a bad season just because the Chargers are middling? He’s been fine. They’re 14th in the league in points per game and 31st in rush yards. Insofar as the offense works at all it’s because Herbert is carrying it. They’d be historically bad if they had Baker-on-the-Panthers level QB play.
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He's having a bad season in comparison to the high expectations on him. Which is mostly not his fault but more the terrible offensive schemes and the usual dozens of injuries the Chargers have. More nuanced takes like that have no business on Twitter though so
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Why do people keep posting like Herbert is having a bad season just because the Chargers are middling? He’s been fine. They’re 14th in the league in points per game and 31st in rush yards. Insofar as the offense works at all it’s because Herbert is carrying it. They’d be historically bad if they had Baker-on-the-Panthers level QB play. https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/9/7/23339547/nfl-preseason-predictions-2022-justin-herbert-justin-jefferson-bills Not to mention this one.. https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/8/31/23329391/justin-herbert-mental-processing-los-angeles-chargers quote:Herbert’s lore will soon spread to the masses. Playing in the AFC West, the league’s toughest division, he’ll have quite the platform to prove himself in 2022.
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Woozie66 posted:He's deemed healthy enough to play By the chargers medical staff? I had no idea it was that bad.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Why do people keep posting like Herbert is having a bad season just because the Chargers are middling? I would bet fantasy football is a big reason. Both among fans and media.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Why do people keep posting like Herbert is having a bad season just because the Chargers are middling? He’s been fine. They’re 14th in the league in points per game and 31st in rush yards. Insofar as the offense works at all it’s because Herbert is carrying it. They’d be historically bad if they had Baker-on-the-Panthers level QB play. Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I would bet fantasy football is a big reason. Both among fans and media.
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it's fun to see the collective NFL fan brain (that thinks anyone not currently putting up top 3 QB stats paired with perpetual winning records is a bad QB) has now turned on a still very good young QB being dragged down from great by a bad team and lingering injury
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Nfl fans more mad at Herbert for not having a perfect season than watson for assaulting 2 dozen women.
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I was kinda leading the cheerleading for Panthers to get, start and stick with Baker but with the exception of the Browns game the light just never came on. He fed a bunch of different receivers every time he suited up but targeting Moore like once a game and Anderson like twice a game was just downright weird. Especially when PJ Walker and Darnold trot out and Moore suddenly starts having massive games. Panthers pass protection and offensive line in general are no longer bad, they're actually sneaky good now. Despite some lapses here and there Ekwonu is a legit NFL left tackle, the free agent pick ups at guard and center have paid dividends and Moton is a stud. The line is absolutely fine. McAdoo isn't an amazing offensive coordinator but it's a little difficult to describe him as terrible as well. He's downright middling and working without a wholly effective QB room. I still like Baker and if McVay can scheme around his deficiencies then fine and dandy for him and his career but I think I agree that something isn't right. He's either dumb as poo poo and needs the McVay madden affect like Goff had or his mechanics were off, or something because in Carolina he never once looked like he did in the playoff game he had against the Steelers for instance he never seemed to throw guys open and he simply didn't seem to have that velocity to really drive the middle out routes. Would have been cool as poo poo if he came to Carolina and put up competitive numbers - if nothing else just for the pain the Browns would be in.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I would bet fantasy football is a big reason. Both among fans and media.
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It is funny that the Bears sold out for a rebuild just as Fields finally started getting poo poo together. Well it's very funny because Fields looks legit yet the Bears keep losing so they'll still get a high draft pick while keeping their potentially best QB in franchise history. If Eberflus can keep everything together the Bears could very well be a huge threat next year, especially in an NFC North where the Packers are on a decline, the Vikings are the Vikings, and the Lions are the Lions. e: Waifu Radia posted:if you play fantasy football it should be illegal to talk about it Pretty sure that's a rule in this forum, for obvious reasons.
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Mega64 posted:It is funny that the Bears sold out for a rebuild just as Fields finally started getting poo poo together. The Bears have like 4 NFL players on the roster, it's going to take more than one year.
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https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1601338514591088640
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3 DONG HORSE posted:The Broncos aren't even on the first list lol just lol I checked their 3 victories, they had 6, 3 and 7 points at halftime. .... Huh, in most of their losses they had 9+ points at halftime. Broncos don't score more then a TD in the first half then you'll win more games.
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3 DONG HORSE posted:The Broncos aren't even on the first list lol just lol The seven teams missing are the Broncos, Texans, Colts, Jets, Giants, Falcons, and Bears. Sounds about right!
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