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Sodomy Hussein posted:I don't think Manchin is "better" than Sinema, and god help us all any time we have to choose between the two. Manchin is as corrupt as any of them, and really reacted poorly in the moment to being confronted with it during the never-ending BBB drama by threatening reporters. Her deal as remarked on often, is narcissism and John McCain Sinema is extremely narcissistic and genuinely believes even now that she will be president. All of her moves are her saying or doing what she thinks is best to get to that goal. When she was in Phoenix she was kooky green party member, when she was in the house she was blue dog democrat because it was a conservative leaning seat. When it was Senate she played up her bisexuality for the YASS KWEEN vote and her Phoenix years for the Progressive vote in the primary barely won against a god-awful candidate surpassed later by Blake Masters and then once elected played up that she flipped a red state and shifted into John McCain mode because she saw that he was rewarded for going against his party and that it got him a bunch of media attention and "authenticity" that he parlayed into a presidential campaign that lost mainly due to terrible timing, a once-in-a-generation talent Oratory talent as the opponent and Sarah Palin. Going against her party was the quickest way to get media attention and build a national brand from the Senate so she did it. This was obviously a huge miscalculation because she forgot that A. the votes which got the most media attention were the ones that the base wanted the most so she was pissing them off constantly B. John McCain generally voted against the party because of his own beliefs and principles for better or for worse as to what those principles are. C. John McCain ended up being despised and hated by his party's base because he went against his party on the thing said party wanted most She's too drat late to back off the brand now and she knows it. Her plan for the primary in 24 was probably to make an appeal to pragmatism on the primary voters and try to paint Gallego as too left-wing for purple state Arizona but Kelly winning by 5 points while voting in lockstep with the national party and keeping his head down. So since she has no route to not be primaried with her opinion polls she'll skip the primary entirely and win as an independent like Sanders, King or Murkowski (I know not technically but I'm counting the write in campaign) all of whom are known for butting heads with party leadership. King, I should note abandoned his life-long democratic affiliation in 92 when he ran for governor and its rumored that he did it because he didn't think he could beat the Democratic nominee in a primary. He endorses moderate republicans from time to time and is one of the more moderate democrats but never really opposes the party on anything it actually wants. He's what Sinema would look like is she were actually competent.
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Trump won't be held in contempt over the classified files case: Federal judge declines to hold Trump in contempt of court https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/09/politics/trump-contempt-hearing-classified-documents-subpoena/index.html Lol of course. What a joke of a justice system. Although I think the worst thing he would have had to deal with would have been daily fines right? That's not much of a punishment for someone in his position.
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Charliegrs posted:Trump won't be held in contempt over the classified files case: This poo poo is hilarious quote:The sources also told CNN that Chief Judge Beryl Howell instead pressed the Trump team and the Justice Department to work together to find a mutually agreeable resolution.
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If any of us posting here had been found with that much classified material in their house, they would have been thrown in a hole forever by the Feds
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FlamingLiberal posted:If any of us posting here had been found with that much classified material in their house, they would have been thrown in a hole forever by the Feds I keep saying Trump is never going to go to jail unless he does a more...mundane...crime like murder, but at this point, I'm starting to think that even if he shot someone on 5th avenue, it would be ruled as a suicide.
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FlamingLiberal posted:If any of us posting here had been found with that much classified material in their house, they would have been thrown in a hole forever by the Feds A fraction of that much
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cr0y posted:https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1601320987609407489?t=qAe_eIggfj9DYWvNbOOlfA&s=19 It's leaked basically once a year since it was completed.
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Last city-owned Confederate statue in Richmond is getting taken down Monday. Good riddance to AP Hill. His body and statue was moved from Hollywood Cemetery in the 1920s as a sales tactic for the new Northside neighborhood ("look how white we are"). His descendants are still trying to delay poo poo with appeals but gently caress 'em. https://www.nbc12.com/2022/12/09/ap-hill-statue-removal-start-monday/
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:i wouldnt call this a "Leftist" take but i dont care much for her because she's a domestic abuser. Also, i find it hypocritical for US politicians to take issue with her criminal charges considering cannabis is still Schedule I on the federal level and we have US citizens doing life in prison for cannabis possession. …assuming she ever had any THC and it wasn’t completely made up as an excuse to grab a famous American.
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Soccer journalist Grant Wahl died in Qatar suddenly while covering the World Cup. https://www.tmz.com/2022/12/09/world-cup-soccer-reporter-grant-wahl-dead-48-after-detainment-lgbtq-shirt/ His family thinks there was foul play: https://twitter.com/iambillary/status/1601392340282769408?s=20&t=K6jxcN-BzMthaEgFRupS9Q Wahl had previously been wearing a pro LGTBQ shirt in support of gay rights in Qatar. This uh seems like kind of a big deal. Wahl has been covering the sport for years and was pretty widely respected.
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Ginette Reno posted:Soccer journalist Grant Wahl died in Qatar suddenly while covering the World Cup. https://www.tmz.com/2022/12/09/world-cup-soccer-reporter-grant-wahl-dead-48-after-detainment-lgbtq-shirt/ The NYT just put out a piece that said that he had been ill for part of his time covering the World Cup: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/09/sports/soccer/grant-wahl-dead.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
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aBagorn posted:The NYT just put out a piece that said that he had been ill for part of his time covering the World Cup: Hopefully there wasn't any foul play. It's pretty tragic in either case. In addition to covering the sport for decades, he challenged Sports Illustrated for Covid related paycuts to employees (and got fired for it), and was in the process of covering migrant worker deaths in Qatar when he died. And of course was drawing some heat for wearing the pro LGTBQ shirt there on behalf of his brother and that community. His brother claims that Wahl was getting death threats while in Qatar which will no doubt fuel concern over his sudden death
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aBagorn posted:The NYT just put out a piece that said that he had been ill for part of his time covering the World Cup: On his podcast he mentioned he had suddenly gotten bronchitis/chest discomfort and had went to a local medical center for it. There are a number of poisons that can cause similar symptoms. Youth Decay fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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Eric Cantonese posted:The national Democratic leadership could prevent Gallego from getting as much of the fundraising and SuperPAC support that he'd need. All the Arizona GOP has to do is not nominate another garbage candidate (and even if they did, the margins still might work in their favor...) Any challenger to Sinema would rake in as much private money as they need. Amy McGrath raised 90 million dollars. The base would send Gallego money hand over fist.
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Pragmatically, Manchin is one of the more valuable Democratic senators and Sinema is one of the least. According to polling, local elections, and other state elections, a Democrat has no business winning a statewide election in West Virginia. Trump won the state in 2020 by about 40%, doing better than in any state except Wyoming. If you replace Manchin with a median generic Democrat (or even just a Manchin clone with identical positions but no personal brand), they almost certainly just lose the election. A senator that confirms your party's appointees, gives you control of the legislative agenda and committees, and torpeedos your legislation 90% of the time is still better than a Republican one that votes against you 100% of the time. A 49:1:50 Democrat:Manchin:Republican senate is better than a 49:51 Democrat:Republican one.
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Sinema has dogshit unfavorables and a better score with republicans than democrats. She is genuinely based on polling more likely to favor a democrat winner by siphoning republican votes
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Barudak posted:Sinema has dogshit unfavorables and a better score with republicans than democrats. She is genuinely based on polling more likely to favor a democrat winner by siphoning republican votes Holy poo poo I called it.
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The big thing with Sinema is that she thinks she's copying the Manchin/McCain/Leiberman 'maverick' playbook without actually understanding how the game is played. Hence pissing off the establishment Democrats as well as the base- one designated heel is enough, any more and people start questioning why anyone puts up with these 'Democrats' actively tanking what is supposed to be the party agenda.
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Lieberman never registered as anything but a democrat and had to run a sore-loser campaign for one electiom before he retired. McCain never stopped being a republican and died in office. Manchin has never been anything but a democrat. Sinema premptively going independant before being shitcanned in a primary isn't a maverick move, its a ratfucker tactic. It might not go past another election, but it makes people take your call up until then.
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cr0y posted:https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1601320987609407489?t=qAe_eIggfj9DYWvNbOOlfA&s=19 
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LOL, when you're too lovely for MattY to support https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1601269323850743808
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Charlz Guybon posted:LOL, when you're too lovely for MattY to support "Even I think Kyrsten Sinema sucks, and I'm saying this as someone who's ALSO a godawful piece of trash who sucks huge ball" is a really good burn.
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Youth Decay posted:On his podcast he mentioned he had suddenly gotten bronchitis/chest discomfort and had went to a local medical center for it. There are a number of poisons that can cause similar symptoms. Qatar is a horrendous country but y'all know there's still a pandemic going on with hundreds of thousands of people from around the world in one place for this sports event, right?? It should obviously be looked into given the suspicious circumstances but I'm not sure jumping to "he was poisoned" should be the first reaction here. Bellmaker fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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Bellmaker posted:Qatar is a horrendous country but y'all know there's still a pandemic going on with hundreds of thousands of people from around the world in one place for this sports event, right?? But I have it on good authority that Covid ended itself for the good of the economy.
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Jarmak posted:Can someone please explain to me the Leftist ideological underpinnings of saying a young, black, gay women doesn't deserve any sympathy for being locked in labor camp for a decade over some bullshit weed charges? She's the epitome of a disadvantaged background; a gay black women from a 95%+ minority, 70%+ economically disadvantaged high school. She has managed to acquire wealth principally on the value of her own labor; she doesn't own the any means of production that she's taking the value of other's labor from, she's not part of management, she's a worker. A lot of people don't view being a professional athlete as "work" since "they get paid to play a game that many people play for fun". You hear this argument made about actors and musicians too. It's bullshit of course because, if anything, in most cases people in those fields have to work harder, sacrifice a ton and put in longer hours than most of the blue color heroes America claims to worship as the backbone of society. I hear that from "both sides" a lot. E Also, agree that Sinema's deal is mostly just a "look at meeee" play for attention, which she seems to thrive on. Remembering that little curtsy she did on the floor when she voted against something or other. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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BiggerBoat posted:A lot of people don't view being a professional athlete as "work" since "they get paid to play a game that many people play for fun". You hear this argument made about actors and musicians too. It's bullshit of course because, if anything, in most cases people in those fields have to work harder, sacrifice a ton and put in longer hours than most of the blue color heroes America claims to worship as the backbone of society. And a lot of them destroy their bodies in the process, along with the whole job being an utter gamble in so many ways. It's just boomerbrain masquerading as leftism. And/or someone faking it to try and discredit leftism.
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The other thing about proffessional sports is that unless you are a star you really are not making a lot of money. Hopefully you paid attention in college and are going to actually use that degree because as it is you will not be able to live off of what you made after your body is destroyed if you are just some rando on the team.
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BiggerBoat posted:A lot of people don't view being a professional athlete as "work" since "they get paid to play a game that many people play for fun". You hear this argument made about actors and musicians too. It's bullshit of course because, if anything, in most cases people in those fields have to work harder, sacrifice a ton and put in longer hours than most of the blue color heroes America claims to worship as the backbone of society. I hear that from "both sides" a lot. looking at highly-paid actors and sports stars, it's definitely true that they make way more money than they should (but not as much as the studios and producers) compared to the value they generate, no matter how good they are or entertaining a movie/show is. And the bulk of the money is especially not going to the people actually doing most of the work of making the movie (writers, technical people like camera operators, sound, etc), like it should. The difference between athletes, actors, etc and other jobs is that the former does not keep the bulk of society functioning. They help provide a service in the form of entertainment, which is good but isn't [as] necessary as farming or power grid work.
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Ginette Reno posted:Hopefully there wasn't any foul play. It's pretty tragic in either case. In addition to covering the sport for decades, he challenged Sports Illustrated for Covid related paycuts to employees (and got fired for it), and was in the process of covering migrant worker deaths in Qatar when he died. And of course was drawing some heat for wearing the pro LGTBQ shirt there on behalf of his brother and that community. Do I think it's absolutely certain that the guy who was vocally pro-LGBTQ and was investigating corruption and workers' deaths was murdered by an authoritarian government that's shown absolutely no hesitation to spill blood for this World Cup, instead of getting sick very suddenly and passing away of a freak occurrence at a quite young age? In a country where the authorities warned their anti-LGBTQ stances on clothing, etc. were in the interest of those who might wear them and suffer violence? No, I don't. But I have to admit it seems reasonably likely, on the balance.
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Cranappleberry posted:looking at highly-paid actors and sports stars, it's definitely true that they make way more money than they should (but not as much as the studios and producers) compared to the value they generate, no matter how good they are or entertaining a movie/show is. And the bulk of the money is especially not going to the people actually doing most of the work of making the movie (writers, technical people like camera operators, sound, etc), like it should. Interestingly, socialist and communist countries have traditionally supported the arts and athletics very well, because they recognize that it is a vital part of society, at least assuming you want people to feel decently fulfilled.
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Cranappleberry posted:looking at highly-paid actors and sports stars, it's definitely true that they make way more money than they should compared to the value they generate, Bobby Kotick makes twice as much as Steph and all he did was enable sexual harassment and ruin Diablo
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PT6A posted:Interestingly, socialist and communist countries have traditionally supported the arts and athletics very well, because they recognize that it is a vital part of society, at least assuming you want people to feel decently fulfilled. It's not unimportant, it's just not as important in a utilitarian sense. This is ironic because hunter-gatherers often had more free time and energy than early farmers, as well as better diets. Society was a mistake.
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ManBoyChef posted:The other thing about proffessional sports is that unless you are a star you really are not making a lot of money. Hopefully you paid attention in college and are going to actually use that degree because as it is you will not be able to live off of what you made after your body is destroyed if you are just some rando on the team. She makes 221k a year as a salary. We shouldn't have wasted time saving someone who made a dumb decision at a dumb time.
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Shrecknet posted:Steph Curry puts a ball through a hoop at a number of entertaining distances. To add to this, Dan Snyder did a godawful job running the Washington franchise and an investigation just found that he fostered a culture of abuse and sexual harassment. In all likelihood he is going to sell the team in the off-season for a multi-billion dollar profit. It's like that Chris Rock joke about the difference between being rich and being wealthy. Shaq is rich, the guy who signs his paychecks is wealthy.
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Cranappleberry posted:looking at highly-paid actors and sports stars, it's definitely true that they make way more money than they should (but not as much as the studios and producers) compared to the value they generate, no matter how good they are or entertaining a movie/show is. And the bulk of the money is especially not going to the people actually doing most of the work of making the movie (writers, technical people like camera operators, sound, etc), like it should. Fair enough. All true. I was just taking exception to the idea that they don't work hard or that it's not real work. Not sure if I agree with you about how much they "deserve" or not and always find it a sticky subject. Any society without art, entertainment and culture is not gonna look real nice, so I'd argue that their contributions help things function to some degree. In the case of pro athletes, if you're one out of, say, 100,000 people that are the very best at what you do, there's an argument to be paid handsomely for it. I just pulled 100,000 out of my rear end but you know what I mean. In a lot of ways, the pay structure there is actually more fair, market driven and pure because no one can go out there and fake being great at basketball, baseball, golf or what have you the way someone like Elon or Trump can pretend to be business geniuses; and people are willing to pay to watch athletes do what they do In the case of film making or music, it's not so cut and dry, of course, because the criteria of "what's good" or "who's good" is so subjective.
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I think people who actually create art can get a pass even if it's not a practical physical product necessary for living. I read once that evidence shows early humans created instruments before creating weapons of war*, and that brings me dangerously close to wielding the word "hope". Art and music brings people together and shares knowledge in a different way than straight up science and academia. I will never stop making fun of actors and the people who cling to them though. "As somebody who pretends to be other people for a living, the world waits with bated breath for my next profound utterance". Cmon. As much as athletes are often rich people having gym class, I also think celebrating strength teamwork and physical mastery is important. People should want to take pride in their bodies, and physicality is akin to language in the way it lets us interact with the world around us. It's objectively better to be strong and healthy, we should celebrate that. Seems the real problems are the systems we create and monetize these efforts with, and the culture of fame and fortune lending more weight to these larger than life winners of our system. If the quarterback is talking about anything unrelated to their team and how they discipline themselves to throw a ball through an exhaust vent 13 miles away, we shouldn't really give a gently caress... but they're rich and famous so people will. How people are compensated for what they do isn't necessarily their fault. That woman rotting in a Russian prison is obviously unjust and I'm glad it was stopped. In general though, I do not relate to wealthy people. It's not necessarily how much you have, more how you live your life, what means and struggles you have. I work for rich folks and the things they get all twisted up about is often the dumbest poo poo, it really highlights class differences. Frothing mad about geese in their yard, pained despair over the rabbits eating their flowers. Having somebody with several enormous houses and no need to work wring their hands in desperation, pleading for a solution to this untenable problem... it's comical on its face but as somebody who works long hard dirty hours it's pretty gross. I guess I should just be thankful they talk to me like I'm people. I have a friendly repor with many of them, but there is no mistaking that the life they live renders them incapable of relating to any significant progressive economic change. You don't tolerate threats to the game when you're currently winning. *think this was in a coffee table book, not exactly rigid academia so feel free to correct me if that's warranted
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