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What is the most powerful flying bug? This poll is closed. |
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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
| dragonfly |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
| 🐝 |
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87 | 21.53% |
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https://twitter.com/RedPrecariat/status/1601416731163234305 euros can't help but trip over themselves in their racism
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Majorian posted:Griner's history of domestic abuse doesn't enter into this, though. yes it does though, it makes me not care if she's in jail or not. I don't care why she's in jail. Al Capone wasn't in jail for all the murders and extortion and rapes but that doesn't make me suddenly care that he was imprisoned over tax bullshit Vomik posted:what i mean is: an american can't just say "oh it was weed vs arms dealing" because in america many people are in prison for life sentences for weed. so now that the american and russian legal systems have both established that all 3 people are equal in villainy we're forced to approach this trade from an alternative lens and shift the rhetorical focus this is a much better explanation tbh.
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Dec 10, 2022 23:44
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/RedPrecariat/status/1601416731163234305 It's whataboutism to say most Americans don't know where it is either 
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Dec 10, 2022 23:49
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You wanna know where Donbass is? In our hearts. How about THAT
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Dec 10, 2022 23:50
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sum posted:Seems like the electricity grid in Odes(s)a has completely collapsed, authorities are recommending that civilians evacuate the oblast completely. If they abandon Odessa wouldn't that make it vulnerable to a push fron the Russians
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Dec 10, 2022 23:57
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gradenko_2000 posted:If they abandon Odessa wouldn't that make it vulnerable to a push fron the Russians Troops can live out in the field without hydro, and it will be easier without an ongoing humanitarian disaster behind the lines. Not ideal, not great for morale, but not having freezing civilians to your rear frees up the logistic throughput needed to care for them.
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Dec 11, 2022 00:02
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but where can those civilians go now? winter is here and energy prices are really putting the hurt on people would would normally be able to take them in, just grim all round ( unless your plan is just for more bloodshed)
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Dec 11, 2022 00:10
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gradenko_2000 posted:If they abandon Odessa wouldn't that make it vulnerable to a push fron the Russians Unless they do an amphibious landing, which I don't think they have the capability right now, it would mean pushing back across the Dnieper retake Kherson and then trough Mykolaiv to even get close to Odessa. Both options seem borderline impossible to me.
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Dec 11, 2022 00:18
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Jel Shaker posted:but where can those civilians go now? winter is here and energy prices are really putting the hurt on people would would normally be able to take them in, just grim all round ( unless your plan is just for more bloodshed) Hopefully the people of Europe will extend their help to include shelter instead of bombs
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Dec 11, 2022 00:28
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Odessa is going to be fine, the Turkish gennie tub is sitting right there. Kiev just can't drag their feet on making a decision now. It might matter in the long term because your main port city being without electricity doesn't sound very helpful.
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Dec 11, 2022 01:01
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That boat cannot come close to powering a major city lol they will not be fine
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Dec 11, 2022 01:04
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Odessa will once more be Turkish
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Dec 11, 2022 01:05
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Futanari Damacy posted:You wanna know where Donbass is? In our hearts. How about THAT That's just a telegram channel https://t.me/ldonetsk
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Dec 11, 2022 01:06
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 Erdogan is gonna bring it back
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Dec 11, 2022 01:08
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E: nevermind, probably talking past each other at this point.
Majorian has issued a correction as of 01:18 on Dec 11, 2022 |
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Dec 11, 2022 01:09
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I bet most of the people who leave Odessa will end up as internal refugees. A large fraction of them are 18-60 men who can't leave the country anyway. This might be a big test of the pop-history theory from a few months ago that targeting infrastructure won't affect civilian morale because of the Blitz or something. I'm certain the vast majority of Ukrainians will blame Russia for the direct impacts of the missile campaign, but by the same token many will likely blame Ukrainian government "incompetence," "corruption," "unpreparedness" etc. for the extremely severe indirect consequences. Whether that anger can be directed towards political goals, and what those goals would be, is another question completely.
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Dec 11, 2022 01:15
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sum posted:This might be a big test of the pop-history theory from a few months ago that targeting infrastructure won't affect civilian morale because of the Blitz or something. the theory is that strategic bombing doesn't greatly disrupt a state's ability to make war iirc, civilian morale is just a small part of it
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Dec 11, 2022 01:22
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AnimeIsTrash posted:tell him that the wnba is a better prison than any gulag lol
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Dec 11, 2022 01:27
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indigi posted:the theory is that strategic bombing doesn't greatly disrupt a state's ability to make war iirc, civilian morale is just a small part of it Well that’s ridiculous. Germany barely had a functioning rail system as early as January 1945. Italy and Germany might have pushed the Americans into the sea had the infrastructure campaign leading up to Salerno not been so effective (and bombed Pompeii in the process, incidentally)
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Dec 11, 2022 01:29
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I'm pretty sure you're the one who posted about the theory in the first place
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Dec 11, 2022 01:30
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Strategically bombing dresdens nails. Oh you said rails. My bad.
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Dec 11, 2022 01:35
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indigi posted:yes it does though, it makes me not care if she's in jail or not. I don't care why she's in jail. Al Capone wasn't in jail for all the murders and extortion and rapes but that doesn't make me suddenly care that he was imprisoned over tax bullshit It's the same thing with Assange. He's a rapist, so it's justice that he's in a blacksite getting waterboarded.
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Dec 11, 2022 01:46
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Look we have to take those little wins with those little losses
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Dec 11, 2022 01:48
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Critical support for all the rapists accelerating the decline of US empire.
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Dec 11, 2022 02:00
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Lostconfused posted:Critical support for all the rapists accelerating the decline of US empire. lets go brandon
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Dec 11, 2022 02:04
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indigi posted:the theory is that strategic bombing doesn't greatly disrupt a state's ability to make war iirc, civilian morale is just a small part of it The main Western narrative at the beginning of the missile campaign was that the strikes were 1. primarily revenge attacks against civilians with little military effect and 2. they would "backfire" by hardening Ukraine's resolve, citing Britain's experience in WW2.
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Dec 11, 2022 02:08
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indigi posted:I'm pretty sure you're the one who posted about the theory in the first place It doesn’t make people give in or the state surrender, it severely effects their ability to wage war. The problem is in the 30’s and then again after Desert Storm, cultivating with Allied Force, Airpower advocates keep suggesting that bombing alone can win wars. This was also a thing after WW2 in the states with SAC. Then there was the thought, Coercive Diplomacy, that bombing could bring a diplomatic resolution to a war, Linebacker I and II, Rolling Thunder to an extent. It’s not that bombing doesn’t matter, it matters a lot, it’s just that it will not win a war. I would almost compare it to the Armoured branch insisting since 1917 that AFVs alone can take and hold ground. Yes, modern MBTs are impressive, but they can’t actually control terrain without the PBI. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 02:17 on Dec 11, 2022 |
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Dec 11, 2022 02:12
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Dixon Chisholm posted:It's the same thing with Assange. He's a rapist, so it's justice that he's in a blacksite getting waterboarded. I didn’t say it was justice, I said I don't care
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Dec 11, 2022 02:13
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Futanari Damacy posted:My most pro-Ukraine buddy sent me a frankly appalling text that has me questioning our friendship more than any aspect of the war so far Was it "actually I don't like the harry potter movies very much"?
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Dec 11, 2022 02:19
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Or the Airmobility concept, with the Air Cavalry being an example too. Basically bombing as something that helps win a war, legit, proven track record. Bombing as something that singularly wins, no chance. A state and society can withstand bombing as long as its not part of larger military defeats that the damage from bombing makes harder and harder to recover from. If the Allies never landed on the continent, bombing Germany would not have helped to the extent that it did. For example, German AFV strength was affected by shortages at the factories, delays in repairs, trainloads of AFVs delayed because of bombing the rails, but without those AFVs being damaged and destroyed in combat, well they could sit it out and maintain strength. Bombing made the recovery harder, it didn’t take panzer divisions out of the field on its own. I realize the analogy doesn’t work because the Soviets were in the war, but the point is that crippling Germany’s industry and lines of communication was happening to their interior lines, it was the pressure on the exterior lines that made it damaging.
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Dec 11, 2022 02:23
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BrotherJayne posted:Always sucks when you turn over a friendly rock and find a massive venomous centipede. A day does not go by that I don't feel genuinely thankful that my best friend from elementary school ended up being a good person as an adult. It's basically a complete roll of the dice whether the people you're close with as children/teens end up as good adults. One nice thing about his wedding ceremony was getting to honestly say that in the best man speech, since it's not the kind of thing there are great opportunities to randomly bring up. I have some other friends/acquaintances (fortunately more the latter) where I deliberately avoid "turning over that rock," as you put it.
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Dec 11, 2022 02:27
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Ukraine managed to strike critical infrastructure deep within Russia multiple times over the past year. The most significant impact it had is possibly forcing the retreat from Kherson after the Kerch bridge bombing. On the other hand it didn't seem to do anything to the course of the war yet. Anyway, I don't expect any breaks or twists with the way this war is going. So far Bakhmut seems to be the only thing both sides are focused on right now, and I'm not sure why Ukraine is fighting so desperately for it.
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Dec 11, 2022 02:33
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indigi posted:I didn’t say it was justice, I said I don't care Dixon Chisholm posted:It's the same thing with Assange. He's a rapist, so I don't care that he's in a blacksite getting waterboarded.
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Dec 11, 2022 02:47
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Lostconfused posted:Ukraine managed to strike critical infrastructure deep within Russia multiple times over the past year. Kharkov and Kherson proved to the Ukrainian public they were on the offensive, retreating from Bakmut would undercut that narrative (and probably force a partial pullback across the front). Push comes to shove they will force conscription of less and less trained cannon fodder to sit in a muddy trench. Strategic bombing won’t win the war on its own, but the real test is going to be the rail system and bringing down its efficiency. That said, I would assume what the Russians are now doing is systematic and the aim to bring economy down before focusing of specifically rail transport (it is going to be more difficult to keep it in full operation if the entire country is in chaos).
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Dec 11, 2022 02:47
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Lostconfused posted:
If Bakhmut collapses, then the entire Donetsk front, which has existed since 2014, is in danger of collapsing.
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Dec 11, 2022 02:49
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A prolonged battle of attrition where Ukraine is forced to feed men into Russian fires, with no flank to turn or other way to make use of Russia being thin on the ground, is what they spent this summer trying to avoid so it would be pretty silly to go from those successes (guys riding around in pickups) to Verdun. It’s exactly the kind of battle Ukraine would be better off avoiding so if Russia has picked a location where they have to send conscripts into shellfire, it’s back to the arithmetic of April-May, which was not looking good for Ukraine. Half of the benefit of bombing the power and rail infrastructure is so 100k Ukrainians don’t show up somewhere held by border guards and cops when things get too hot for them here. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 03:01 on Dec 11, 2022 |
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Dec 11, 2022 02:55
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https://twitter.com/GerardDalbon/status/1601314529790418947?cxt=HHwWhoCjnZXFgbksAAAA
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Dec 11, 2022 03:02
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Was there ever a point (in recent history) where the anti war movement was "strong" in the US? I was young when the Iraq/Afghanistan wars started so I don't remember much. There were a lot of marches and stuff but they never seemed to result in anything.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Was there ever a point (in recent history) where the anti war movement was "strong" in the US? I was young when the Iraq/Afghanistan wars started so I don't remember much. There were a lot of marches and stuff but they never seemed to result in anything. All the recent wars in memory have been wars boomers have approved of so…
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