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SulfurMonoxideCute posted:It's a goddamn shame it didn't print like that. I've seen it happen before: Good hustle bud. I was fine with drink and dance, but I'm sure plenty of the other gringos would appreciate a fixer.
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Dec 11, 2022 04:35
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grittyreboot posted:https://twitter.com/TheFreeWeb_/status/1600987701393514496?t=ajPd7kSdSLpg-ChfEFFetA&s=19 
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I don't have anything to add, I just wanted to point out that I appreciated the effort that went into this post and had a chuckle reading it.
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Dec 11, 2022 06:13
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Admiralty Flag posted:Not even magic spells, more like Magic: the Gathering cards, and they're the only ones who have access to the super-secret ultra-rares. A big thing about SovCits is that they really only can exist because standard Western education makes sure you don't understand the basics of how material conditions and power dynamics actually work. See how they sullenly whine about 'If I don't pay taxes men with guns will take me away and put me in a small box'. Well yeah, that's how government works. The lack of material understanding of the world manifests in a lot of different ways across the political spectrum, but SovCits are among the funniest. It's mostly the logic of "I don't know, can you go to the bathroom?" except they use it against people who can actually administer consequences.
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Dec 11, 2022 09:14
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A big thing about SovCits is that they really only can exist because standard Western education makes sure you don't understand the basics of how material conditions and power dynamics actually work. See how they sullenly whine about 'If I don't pay taxes men with guns will take me away and put me in a small box'. Well yeah, that's how government works. The lack of material understanding of the world manifests in a lot of different ways across the political spectrum, but SovCits are among the funniest. It's mostly the logic of "I don't know, can you go to the bathroom?" except they use it against people who can actually administer consequences. This made me remember a question I've had about these guys. Are there any black sovcits? Like, in the US, I don't imagine the consequences of telling a cop" I was travelling not driving" would be the same
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Dec 11, 2022 09:38
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Serperoth posted:This made me remember a question I've had about these guys. Are there any black sovcits? Like, in the US, I don't imagine the consequences of telling a cop" I was travelling not driving" would be the same Absolutely, they just get arrested a lot quicker and don't post YouTube videos.
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Dec 11, 2022 09:48
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Serperoth posted:This made me remember a question I've had about these guys. Are there any black sovcits? Like, in the US, I don't imagine the consequences of telling a cop" I was travelling not driving" would be the same Skwirl posted:Absolutely, they just get arrested a lot quicker and don't post YouTube videos. Some last long enough to, something about Moorish Law is their usual keyword. It gets weird. Also some famous people get into it like Wesley Snipes. Never underestimate human stupidity. Am reminded that I think someone put it best; Sovereign Citizens are basically the legal version of alternative medicine.
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Dec 11, 2022 09:54
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It is bizzare to try to imagine the worldview underlying it that doesn't apparently have room for "the world runs on raw power relationships and the law is just a veneer over that" I can't remember not thinking like that, it seems so evident?
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Dec 11, 2022 09:56
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Serperoth posted:This made me remember a question I've had about these guys. Are there any black sovcits? Like, in the US, I don't imagine the consequences of telling a cop" I was travelling not driving" would be the same There's actually a weird blend of sovcit and black israelite my dad has been obsessed with. As you said, they can't be as bold in direct confrontation with cops, so they mostly stick to the nuisance lawsuits/leans or trying to use sovcit rhetoric to get out of debt side of things
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Dec 11, 2022 09:56
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Are there ant sovcit "success stories"? I.E. people who have beaten the courts with their magic "that flag has a fringe" bullshit? Even anecdotally, surely all of these bastards get the book thrown at them eventually due to being insufferable arseholes and pissing off the judges/police/appeals courts etc.
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Dec 11, 2022 10:23
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BrigadierSensible posted:Are there ant sovcit "success stories"? There are probably videos out there of someone owning the court but I wouldn't even consider that adjacent to sovcit stuff; to me sovereign citizen types are by definition too ignorant of the rules to do anything meaningfully subversive of the legal system. All of those tropes like 'fringed flags' are demonstrably bullshit and there has been more than enough precedent established to make some  sovcit using them as an argument just melt into their chair.
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Dec 11, 2022 10:28
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OwlFancier posted:It is bizzare to try to imagine the worldview underlying it that doesn't apparently have room for "the world runs on raw power relationships and the law is just a veneer over that" I spent money on it, it must be true. "Several weird tricks the cops don't want you to know!"
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Network basically goes into why the sovcit world view doesn't work - they think the laws matter when all that matters is who has the money to do anything useful. Here's the relevant scene, after Howard Beale exposes something that the CEO of the news organisation doesn't like because suddenly he's exposed something that hurts the upper levels financially: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35DSdw7dHjs
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Dec 11, 2022 10:45
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Serperoth posted:This made me remember a question I've had about these guys. Are there any black sovcits? Like, in the US, I don't imagine the consequences of telling a cop" I was travelling not driving" would be the same
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grittyreboot posted:https://twitter.com/TheFreeWeb_/status/1600987701393514496?t=ajPd7kSdSLpg-ChfEFFetA&s=19 I wanna dig around in his brain
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That is the reason I have no patience for reframing things purely in subjective terms.
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Normy posted:I wanna dig around in his brain Watch out for worms.
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Dec 11, 2022 11:14
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Jordan Peterson recently said something about him thinking anti-semitism might possibly become a "moral imperative." Is Jordan Peterson just a Nazi? Or is he just trying to create more space for Nazis in the public discourse?
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More christian dominionist I think, which has crossover with nazis.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Are there ant sovcit "success stories"? There was one I remember reading about a while back, but I cant remember the details, or not enough to usefully search it out. Thing is, he beat the court due to some regular old procedural fuckup on the cops end, it was literally nothing to do with his "I do not consent to joinder, I am not driving I am travelling, this is not a car it is a horseless carriage which is under maritime law" bullshit. He was spewing that all over the court and the judge was essentially like "No, no, none of this, listen, no, not any of that, but the search the cops did sure was obviously illegal so I'm throwing the whole case out" or similar. Of course the guy took it as vindication of the sovcit bullshit.
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Nebrilos posted:Jordan Peterson recently said something about him thinking anti-semitism might possibly become a "moral imperative." Is Jordan Peterson just a Nazi? Or is he just trying to create more space for Nazis in the public discourse? "Look, I'm not all-in on 'I love Hitler' like Ye, but maybe we do need to talk about The Jewish Problem, somewhat, as rational adults?" Nick Fuentes, notable nazi, has been arguing instead that this is a great time to just go mask off about it and see how it shakes out stringless has a new favorite as of 12:45 on Dec 11, 2022 |
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Dec 11, 2022 12:42
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Skwirl posted:Absolutely, they just get arrested a lot quicker and don't post YouTube videos. I know I've seen a couple in the various sovcit fail compilations I've watched on YouTube so they do at least do that I actively work with a sovcit who has a big tag on her car about it being a for pleasure vehicle and doesn't pay taxes because "I don't work I barter by trading my time for their money" We had a temp who wanted to be one like her dad who "gave up his SSN and started a small business so he doesn't have to pay taxes" Lala also believed that the government hired crisis actors though
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Nebrilos posted:Jordan Peterson recently said something about him thinking anti-semitism might possibly become a "moral imperative." Is Jordan Peterson just a Nazi? Or is he just trying to create more space for Nazis in the public discourse? What one does is what one is.
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Len posted:I actively work with a sovcit who has a big tag on her car about it being a for pleasure vehicle and doesn't pay taxes because "I don't work I barter by trading my time for their money" But ... you work with her? Like at a job, employed by some company or organization? Who probably withhold taxes from her pay to send to the IRS on her behalf? Is it possible she's just not filing returns and probably is in fact owed many years of refunds lol?
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Nebrilos posted:Jordan Peterson recently said something about him thinking anti-semitism might possibly become a "moral imperative." Is Jordan Peterson just a Nazi? Or is he just trying to create more space for Nazis in the public discourse? Yes.
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ReidRansom posted:But ... you work with her? According to the story she told me shortly after I got hired she called hr and told them to not take taxes out. The person she talked to said no and she ended up escalating to the head of hr and now doesn't have taxes taken out
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Nebrilos posted:Jordan Peterson recently said something about him thinking anti-semitism might possibly become a "moral imperative." Is Jordan Peterson just a Nazi? Or is he just trying to create more space for Nazis in the public discourse? i think his angle is that anti-semitism is bad, and when society "degenerates" the anti-semites start scapegoating the jews again, but rather than doing anything about the nazis we need to "preserve conservative values" so the nazis don't have an excuse to come back so yes it's nazi poo poo but in a convoluted roundabout manner
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repiv posted:i think his angle is that anti-semitism is bad, and when society "degenerates" the anti-semites start scapegoating the jews again, but rather than doing anything about the nazis we need to "preserve conservative values" so the nazis don't have an excuse to come back
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repiv posted:i think his angle is that anti-semitism is bad, and when society "degenerates" the anti-semites start scapegoating the jews again, but rather than doing anything about the nazis we need to "preserve conservative values" so the nazis don't have an excuse to come back I didn't even see that claim as that but rather Peterson doing that annoying thing he always does where he takes an innocent statement like "society is in peril when stuff like anti-semitism becomes mainstream" but then words it in such a way ("When anti-semitism becomes a moral necessity, (even in its subtler forms), hell is about to make its appearance yet again") that acts as both a nazi dog whistle and is ambiguous enough so that when people call him on it he can tut tut and go "Ah but that's not what I ACTUALLY said! Checkmate, libtard!" God, I hate that guy so much. AceOfFlames has a new favorite as of 16:23 on Dec 11, 2022 |
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Nebrilos posted:Jordan Peterson recently said something about him thinking anti-semitism might possibly become a "moral imperative." Is Jordan Peterson just a Nazi? Or is he just trying to create more space for Nazis in the public discourse? Do you think there is a meaningful difference between these two things?
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I found the analysis on knowledge fight quite compelling in that the actual hardcore nazis like nick fuentes view the grifters like alex jones as targets, and will attack them if they find it convenient and think they can poach away some of the audience. So they aren't a monolithic block but as they are all invested in pushing the discourse right in their own way (with some lagging behind and mopping up money and some leading the charge) the difference only matters insofar as you can hope for some degree of infighting between them.
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Serperoth posted:This made me remember a question I've had about these guys. Are there any black sovcits? Like, in the US, I don't imagine the consequences of telling a cop" I was travelling not driving" would be the same Yes.
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Peterson was basically making a “leftists are the real antisemites” argument, because his view is that the left dictates the morals of society and since anti-Zionism is a frequent left wing stance (and anti-Zionism = antisemitism to right wingers), it will become a “moral imperative” to hate Jews.
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Len posted:According to the story she told me shortly after I got hired she called hr and told them to not take taxes out. The person she talked to said no and she ended up escalating to the head of hr and now doesn't have taxes taken out I was wondering if you could make any cash off of this but a few seconds googling tells me the IRS whistleblower laws say you have to provide them with significant written evidence and the subject of your narcing, if an individual, has to earn $200K+ a year. I suppose that they have to make the threshold high else i might get upset when my neighbors don't take down their Christmas lights until February and I decide to drop a dime on them in retaliation.
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The IRS lets you unilaterally opt out of withholding? In Canada you need to get the gov’t’s explicit approval for that unless it’s a reduction related to the employer collecting retirement savings contributions pre-tax or something. Weird choice, IRS.
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Serperoth posted:This made me remember a question I've had about these guys. Are there any black sovcits? Like, in the US, I don't imagine the consequences of telling a cop" I was travelling not driving" would be the same Ayup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waukesha_Christmas_parade_attack quote:n a pre-trial hearing, Brooks requested self-representation. Judge Dorow considered the request and ruled that Brooks could proceed pro se. During proceedings, Brooks used arguments from the sovereign citizen movement, a pseudolegal movement whose adherents claim that courts do not have jurisdiction over them. Brooks declared himself a "sovereign citizen", stated that he did not consent to being recognized by his name, asked if the court was "a common law court or an admiralty law court",and argued that since the state of Wisconsin was an entity rather than a person, it could not file a claim against him.
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Subjunctive posted:The IRS lets you unilaterally opt out of withholding? In Canada you need to get the gov’t’s explicit approval for that unless it’s a reduction related to the employer collecting retirement savings contributions pre-tax or something. Weird choice, IRS. Withholdings aren't done at the government level, they're just sent to the government, in the US. So, like, my company's payroll department takes out the taxes based on an estimate that I'll make X amount this year. I'm then responsible for either clawing any overage back or sending any underfall.
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Subjunctive posted:The IRS lets you unilaterally opt out of withholding? In Canada you need to get the gov’t’s explicit approval for that unless it’s a reduction related to the employer collecting retirement savings contributions pre-tax or something. Weird choice, IRS. You can file paperwork to perform your own withholding or change specifics of it, but you can not just go "I'm not doing it at all." without some form of approval. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/employees/tax-withholding Highly doubt that sovcit was telling the truth.
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