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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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GoLambo posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhA1yofpkMg Ok so watching this, and the air defense thing is an interesting point. Seems obvious that those Tu-95 aren't going to be risked against any sort of AA, but they have to getting prepared for something right?
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Dec 11, 2022 21:49
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Ardennes posted:Could be absolutely nothing, could be an absolute cluster gently caress of a general Balkan war, it just has to play out Historically, from a loss of life standpoint, it's better to ignore whatever's going on there rather than let it blow up into a continent-wide and then worldwide conflagration.
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Dec 11, 2022 21:49
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Futanari Damacy posted:More so than the truth of Kosovo, I'd like to know the big deal about Kosovo. Can't recall how many dumb assemblies we had in elementary on account of it. "Today we're going to talk about Canada's role as global peacekeepers and how that's an inherent good  also here's some footage of fighter jets blowing the absolute gently caress out of some pharmaceutical factories" On reflection, those classroom chats were a pretty pivotal step towards my radicalization.
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Dec 11, 2022 21:58
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Lostconfused posted:Ok so watching this, and the air defense thing is an interesting point. firing cruise missiles from hundreds of miles away. the nuclear bombers all got re-equipped to use cruise missiles when AA missiles became a thing
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Dec 11, 2022 21:59
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Futanari Damacy posted:Historically, from a loss of life standpoint, it's better to ignore whatever's going on there rather than let it blow up into a continent-wide and then worldwide conflagration. We'll see, but if the US specifically wants to throw its weight around in Kosovo then it very much could go the second way. If this remains, a local conflict, and the Serbs just create a de facto situation on the ground in Kosovo, it could cool off on its own.
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Dec 11, 2022 22:02
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Ardennes posted:I guess the question becomes what they call “phase four” which would be a general Russian offensive. It is clear that from a Russian perspective progress is being made but if the Russians commit they are going to need a 3 to 1 advantage across at least the major axises they are attacking. It seems that tank deliveries are indicating that eventually some type of more major push would happen. If Russia wants the USA to negotiate America needs to be negatively affected in some way, which so far have been supply chain disruptions and attacks on the petrodollar, but both have been pretty minor. Either that or wait for the presidential election and hope. Getting Europe to withdraw support seems more plausible but that seems like it will be a gradual process and not likely to happen too soon. I guess if the Russians start taking ground again there is the threat of having less of Ukraine to extract resources from in the future but that's balanced by forcing Russia to keep fighting and expending resources.
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Dec 11, 2022 22:06
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Raskolnikov38 posted:firing cruise missiles from hundreds of miles away. the nuclear bombers all got re-equipped to use cruise missiles when AA missiles became a thing Why even have planes then? Can't you just fire cruise missiles without them?
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Dec 11, 2022 22:12
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Why even have planes then? Can't you just fire cruise missiles without them? Gotta fire them from somewhere. Sometimes it's useful if that somewhere can move around.
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Dec 11, 2022 22:13
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Why even have planes then? Can't you just fire cruise missiles without them? you need something to carry them into range during ww3 but also because the nuclear triad will not be abandoned no matter how obsolete one leg of the stool becomes
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Dec 11, 2022 22:13
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Why even have planes then? Can't you just fire cruise missiles without them? You can, but it's the most convenient one for Russia right now. They used to be fired from ships in the black sea earlier on in this war, but they switched to planes at a later point.
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Dec 11, 2022 22:13
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Why even have planes then? Can't you just fire cruise missiles without them? you save a lot of energy when you fire something that only has to go forward and down as opposed to up and down, which means you need less fuel in your missile which means you can put more boom in your missile also planes are, strangely enough, a lot more mobile than ships or trucks
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Dec 11, 2022 22:17
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Weka posted:If Russia wants the USA to negotiate America needs to be negatively affected in some way, which so far have been supply chain disruptions and attacks on the petrodollar, but both have been pretty minor. Either that or wait for the presidential election and hope. Getting Europe to withdraw support seems more plausible but that seems like it will be a gradual process and not likely to happen too soon. In that case it makes more sense for the Russians to in big than draw the conflict out. It is arguable the conditions are still not right for them, but eventually they have ot make a choice; either home something changes in their favor or go in a big way like they honestly should have from the beginning. Lostconfused posted:You can, but it's the most convenient one for Russia right now. They used to be fired from ships in the black sea earlier on in this war, but they switched to planes at a later point. They are still using subs to fire missiles (it is unclear if they are using their frigates or not).
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Dec 11, 2022 22:22
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Looks like Bill Goldberg
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Dec 11, 2022 22:40
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The West's already sending more stuff than it can spare to Ukraine: we've got nothing left to send to Kosovo lol. Can't believe NATO will be eager to open a 2nd front down there.
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Dec 11, 2022 22:51
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Ardennes posted:In that case it makes more sense for the Russians to in big than draw the conflict out. It is arguable the conditions are still not right for them, but eventually they have ot make a choice; either home something changes in their favor or go in a big way like they honestly should have from the beginning. I'm not sure you are right, it's possible the best they can hope for is a frozen conflict.
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Dec 11, 2022 22:53
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Slavvy posted:Looks like Bill Goldberg Bill Greenberg. Pistol_Pete posted:The West's already sending more stuff than it can spare to Ukraine: we've got nothing left to send to Kosovo lol. Can't believe NATO will be eager to open a 2nd front down there. It'd be a much smaller front. Serbia's military is ~22,000 dudes.
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Dec 11, 2022 22:56
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Slavvy posted:Looks like Bill Goldberg 
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Dec 11, 2022 23:00
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Weka posted:I'm not sure you are right, it's possible the best they can hope for is a frozen conflict. The Russians are already chewing up the Ukrainians pretty bad both on and off the battlefield. Who knows how far they can go but it is clear the momentum is shifting and the Russians can't just let the conflict go. It doesn't mean another phase will happen necessarily but I wouldn't say the Russians are incapable of it either. Pistol_Pete posted:The West's already sending more stuff than it can spare to Ukraine: we've got nothing left to send to Kosovo lol. Can't believe NATO will be eager to open a 2nd front down there. That is why it would be stupefying if the US/NATO tries to seriously press the Serbs since it would actively work against their goals in Ukraine/everywhere else. The best thing for them is just to give the Serbs a pass this time and keep the situation strategically ambiguous. An actual Balkan War would be a massive distraction and I don't know how many of Serbia's neighbors would be interesting in supporting it.' Weka posted:It'd be a much smaller front. Serbia's military is ~22,000 dudes. 22,000 dudes that either the US or NATO needs to fight, and most of European NATO specifically is years away from being ready to do anything. Hell, does the US even have the 50,000-60,000 ground troops it would need to force its way into the region? The best thing by far would be the US and NATO to ignore it beyond a strongly worded letter. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 23:05 on Dec 11, 2022 |
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Dec 11, 2022 23:00
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Dec 11, 2022 23:03
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This is what happens to your vision when you’re having an orc-gasm. If your partner doesn’t see things like this then I’m sorry, you gotta up your game.
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Dec 11, 2022 23:04
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Pistol_Pete posted:The West's already sending more stuff than it can spare to Ukraine: we've got nothing left to send to Kosovo lol. Can't believe NATO will be eager to open a 2nd front down there. NATO's soft underbelly
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Dec 11, 2022 23:06
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Pistol_Pete posted:The West's already sending more stuff than it can spare to Ukraine: we've got nothing left to send to Kosovo lol. Can't believe NATO will be eager to open a 2nd front down there. Should just let the Germans off the chain and have panzers rolling around in SE Europe again. Scare the crap out of everyone. Edit: But, no. Any of the mid-tier NATO nations could knock Serbia's dick into the dirt if they want to.
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Dec 11, 2022 23:09
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Ardennes posted:The Russians are already chewing up the Ukrainians pretty bad both on and off the battlefield. Who knows how far they can go but it is clear the momentum is shifting and the Russians can't just let the conflict go. It doesn't mean another phase will happen necessarily but I wouldn't say the Russians are incapable of it either. I think the Russians could advance to the Dnieper, but I don't see how that will stop the Nazis from killing anyone who negotiates for peace. As to NATO interfering in Kosovo, all they have to do is provide arms to Kosovo, which admittedly aren't as plentiful as this time a year ago but at these scales could happen. I think anything kicking off in the Balkans is pretty unlikely but then again most of us said that about Ukraine.
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Dec 11, 2022 23:14
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AnimeIsTrash posted:reopen the kosovo thread paul Done
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Dec 11, 2022 23:25
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Weka posted:I think the Russians could advance to the Dnieper, but I don't see how that will stop the Nazis from killing anyone who negotiates for peace. Advancing to the Dnieper would probably be enough for the Russians in at least it would cripple Ukraine (more than it is) and give them a sizable buffer-zone. I wouldn't call that a loss for the Russians. The Kosovars don't really have a formal military and even so anything sent to Kosovo would come from the Ukrainians (and even if it just helmets and small arms). It is a needless distraction and in either case the Serbs would just sit on their side of the river unless NATO openly became involved. There really isn't a win to be had for the West here even if you want to spin it the US is trying to purposefully make Europe weaker.
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Dec 11, 2022 23:27
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Dec 11, 2022 23:29
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Zeroisanumber posted:Should just let the Germans off the chain and have panzers rolling around in SE Europe again. Scare the crap out of everyone. Tell that to the Austro-Hungarian empire.
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Dec 11, 2022 23:51
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paul gonna need you to close that kosovo thread
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Dec 11, 2022 23:52
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Ardennes posted:Advancing to the Dnieper would probably be enough for the Russians in at least it would cripple Ukraine (more than it is) and give them a sizable buffer-zone. I wouldn't call that a loss for the Russians. I just mean that it would be a frozen conflict rather than something ended by negotiations if they get that buffer zone. A negotiated ending would be vastly preferable but the only way I see it happening is a sea change within the political apparatus of the USA to focus only on China, but that's largely outside of Russia's control.
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Dec 12, 2022 00:13
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Weka posted:I just mean that it would be a frozen conflict rather than something ended by negotiations if they get that buffer zone. A negotiated ending would be vastly preferable but the only way I see it happening is a sea change within the political apparatus of the USA to focus only on China, but that's largely outside of Russia's control. Well at that point it would be more the Russians making facts on the ground, and the Ukrainians having to accept them. There would also probably at least be a ceasefire if only for the benefit of the Ukrainians. A negotiated end would obviously be better but the apparatus in DC is obviously not going allow it to happen, and the US is locked in Europe now for the time being. That said, according to cspam, China is going to be on the verge of collapse and "in complete chaos" by Feburary. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 00:23 on Dec 12, 2022 |
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Dec 12, 2022 00:19
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Ardennes posted:22,000 dudes that either the US or NATO needs to fight, and most of European NATO specifically is years away from being ready to do anything. Hell, does the US even have the 50,000-60,000 ground troops it would need to force its way into the region? The best thing by far would be the US and NATO to ignore it beyond a strongly worded letter. If an actual conflict with NATO kicks off, NATO air capabilities have been completely untouched by the conflict in Ukraine (aside from sending some AGM-88s). Nobody is going to launch a ground campaign into Serbia.
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Dec 12, 2022 00:22
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GlassElephant posted:If an actual conflict with NATO kicks off, NATO air capabilities have been completely untouched by the conflict in Ukraine (aside from sending some AGM-88s). Nobody is going to launch a ground campaign into Serbia. drat tahts interesting
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Dec 12, 2022 00:23
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OK so I am actually really excited because we are about to have a new war. Kosovo is now Ukraine, Serbia is Russia and Russia is also Russia. Here is the new Zelensky: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vjosa_Osmani She is,a s you can tell, a smoking hot babe. And yes, I do want her to gently caress my wife. Shes also a total badass. She was reported saying: "Then we will fight in the shade" when Serbian president guy (evil) said he would blot out the sun with rockets. Anyway with that in mind lets get things moving. Blue Elephant man comes in to post NATO poo poo, my little pony soldier guy says its too early to tell, a bunch of identical tankies with bernie avatrs cry because their favorite red fascist Tito's memory isnt being preserved, etc. I look forward to a good war both in here, and in the verdant and lush sunflower fields of Kosovo. GlassElephant posted:If an actual conflict with NATO kicks off, NATO air capabilities have been completely untouched by the conflict in Ukraine (aside from sending some AGM-88s). Nobody is going to launch a ground campaign into Serbia. hell yes literally came in as i was typing this post. this is freaking epic
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Dec 12, 2022 00:28
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GlassElephant posted:If an actual conflict with NATO kicks off, NATO air capabilities have been completely untouched by the conflict in Ukraine (aside from sending some AGM-88s). Nobody is going to launch a ground campaign into Serbia. Ah okay, this is the time strategic bombing will work.
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Dec 12, 2022 00:29
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the serbian leader vucic is pretty tall. i wonder if he can hoop.
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Dec 12, 2022 00:35
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no new wars/interventions allowed until world cup is over. RIP England, no one cares about your team.
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Dec 12, 2022 00:35
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Looks like the majority of Odesa has power again, 1.2 million out of 1.5 million restored. https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-society/3632104-300000-residents-of-odesa-region-still-have-no-electricity.html Some weird stuff going on about the earlier post that it would take months. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-drone-attacks-target-power-network-ukraines-odesa-officials-2022-12-10/ posted:Serhiy Bratchuk, spokesperson for Odesa’s regional administration, said electricity for the city’s population will be restored “in the coming days”, while complete restoration of the networks may take two to three months.
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Dec 12, 2022 00:38
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GlassElephant posted:Looks like the majority of Odesa has power again, 1.2 million out of 1.5 million restored. AnimeIsTrash posted:drat tahts interesting
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Dec 12, 2022 00:41
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Ardennes posted:Ah okay, this is the time strategic bombing will work. NATO bombed Serbia into submission in 1999, why couldn't they do it again? I opposed that conflict at the time, but for all the 'lol they bombed camouflaged trees that they thought were a tank' stuff that was said after the fact, Serbia still lost the war hard enough that they eventually gave up their president to an international war crimes tribunal. Dr Kool-AIDS has issued a correction as of 00:48 on Dec 12, 2022 |
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What's weird about it?
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