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Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


Unlucky7 posted:

As a suprise, I got my Steam Deck today. Feels good in my hands. I was expecting the screen to be bigger than on my Switch (if it is supposed to be bigger I can not tell) but I am not complaining.

Got it downloading updates currently. Anything else I should get?

https://davidotek.github.io/protonup-qt/

ProtonUp-Qt is worth grabbing from the discovery app. Proton-GE really breaths life into some games.

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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Which games are worth getting Proton set up for? Plenty of sources agree it makes some games run better but I can't really find any which are specific regarding which ones

Is it just like, you realize a game is running bad so you try Proton with it and see if it's better?

Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


https://www.protondb.com/

proton-db is what I check just to see what other people are doing to get things to run well. Games will default to proton if there is no linux build. If there is a linux build, sometimes it isn't very good so the proton layer will actually work better.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


Unlucky7 posted:

As a suprise, I got my Steam Deck today; I was expecting it Sunday due to some nebulous delay but it came in on time. Feels good in my hands. I was expecting the screen to be bigger than on my Switch (if it is supposed to be bigger I can not tell) but I am not complaining.

Got it downloading updates currently. Anything else I should get?

Sniff the vent and live post your first trip.

Unlucky7
Jul 11, 2006

Fallen Rib
I feel like I kind of need to see a video or guide on different proton versions because I am not sure if I am understanding it.

Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


Unlucky7 posted:

I feel like I kind of need to see a video or guide on different proton versions because I am not sure if I am understanding it.

Steam will out the box choose a default proton version, so you usually do not need to worry about it. If you do, here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCDbZy4tAFw

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




Unlucky7 posted:

I feel like I kind of need to see a video or guide on different proton versions because I am not sure if I am understanding it.

You don’t have to really care at all unless you start installing non-steam games on it.

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

History Comes Inside! posted:

You don’t have to really care at all unless you start installing non-steam games on it.

ProtonGE is good at getting unsupported Steam games working, like anything that uses licensed video codecs.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

History Comes Inside! posted:

You don’t have to really care at all unless you start installing non-steam games on it.

Or Saints Row 2

ProtonGE worked great for it

Unlucky7
Jul 11, 2006

Fallen Rib
Played with it for a bit. Thoughts I thunk and maybe a couple of questions:

1. Quite a powerful little fan it has. Not that I am complaining; I would rather have it noticeably work than not at all, and it is not distracting. But it does make its presence known.

2. I like that the big grips locate your hands away from the source of most of the heat. The main reason I never liked cell phone gaming is that after a while the entire phone becomes a hot brick.

3. I know the RE Engine is some black magic but it is cool seeing Devil May Cry 5 work on this thing with mostly high settings.

4. Speaking of settings, should I not mess with them too much unless I need to lower something for a troublesome game? MH Rise could be higher but I am not sure if I want to take the chance.

5. Any particular MicroSDs I should get?

Lord Bob
Jun 1, 2000
Has anyone else had a weird explosion of duplicate "valve created" controller templates? I've got like 3 copies of every template now, all named the same and I've no idea where they came from. Some of them don't even seem to properly bind a lot of controls that I'm sure they were before

edit: i just counted and i have 12 identical-looking "Keyboard with WASD and mouse" and 8 "Gamepad" and goddamn it's a mess in there now.

To be clear, these are all listed as "valve created" - i only have 1 "user created" template that I made for myself

Lord Bob fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Dec 10, 2022

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Unlucky7 posted:

4. Speaking of settings, should I not mess with them too much unless I need to lower something for a troublesome game? MH Rise could be higher but I am not sure if I want to take the chance.

Most games should figure their settings out decently, but it depends on what target they're shooting for. Horizon Zero Dawn for example defaults to high settings which is fine for 30fps but you'll want to drop it to medium/low if you want 40fps. Likewise Dirt 3 (marked as unsupported but runs perfectly fine with no tinkering) defaults to low settings but can absolutely run at high. Also check resolution in a lot of games, sometimes they don't default to 1280x800 even when they support it.

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX

Lord Bob posted:

Has anyone else had a weird explosion of duplicate "valve created" controller templates? I've got like 3 copies of every template now, all named the same and I've no idea where they came from. Some of them don't even seem to properly bind a lot of controls that I'm sure they were before

edit: i just counted and i have 12 identical-looking "Keyboard with WASD and mouse" and 8 "Gamepad" and goddamn it's a mess in there now.

To be clear, these are all listed as "valve created" - i only have 1 "user created" template that I made for myself

No, but {steam install folder}\controller_base holds a bunch of default configs and templates, as well as steamdesktop.vdf

The custom configurations are saved in Steam\userdata\userid\{your user id}\remote\controller_config\appid.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...


Sometimes I wish I could relax and play my steam deck in a grey void.

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME
Bad news: Got COVID

Good news: I can still smell the top vent which smells way lovelier than right after I first got the thing.

BabyRyoga
May 21, 2001

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Do they sell Steam Deck vent scented sprays for automobiles yet?

Mescal
Jul 23, 2005

looks like the heroic launcher ppl are very productive. loads of new features and fixes nonstop. i wonder how they do it

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Mescal posted:

looks like the heroic launcher ppl are very productive. loads of new features and fixes nonstop. i wonder how they do it

If they can let me play Fortnite with my son, then great. Until then, I doubt I'll bother.

Annath
Jan 11, 2009

Batatouille is a great and funny play on words for a video game creature and I love silly words like these
Clever Betty
I haven't gotten Heroic Launcher to actually... work.

Like, I installed it, and used it to install Assassin's Creed Valhalla from the Epic Store, but when I launch it in Game Mode, it just sits on the spinning Steam logo and doesn't appear to be doing anything.

It also doesn't close cleanly, it doesn't close when the Steam UI "close game" command is selected.

Unlucky7
Jul 11, 2006

Fallen Rib
I do like the metrics that you can easily bring up, so you can determine FPS and it also looks like you can see when settings are draining more battery than it should.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007




I guess this is a "gaming bed", which is a class of product I didn't know existed until now!

It also looks like it's only got room for a single person, which is all you'll need if you're in the market for one of those! :v:

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



That almost looks like a repurposed hospital bed. It looks fine until you have a bad dream and kick the desk with the TV mount over.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Are you actually supposed to sleep in that bed because if so it has pretty strong dystopia vibes and if not it's basically just a desk with a big bean bag chair

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Now I am imagining a gimmick porno scene shot on this dystopian bed.

Nefarious 2.0
Apr 22, 2008

Offense is overrated anyway.

well stop

Flint_Paper
Jun 7, 2004

This isn't cool at all Looshkin! These are dark forces you're titting about with!

How To Avoid Sending Your Steam Deck For RMA, by Flint_Paper

Hello folks. I've already had to return my Steam Deck once because of a dead pixel, so when I got it back and the left trigger felt a bit spongy, I was loath to send it back again and be without my cool new toy for another couple of weeks. I thought I'd run through the steps I took to fix it, just in case any of you were in a similar situation, and wanted to know how to avoid sending it back for RMA.

Step 1: Do a bit of research.


I'd already taken the back off the Deck, and noticed that the button worked fine without the back in place. I couldn't see anything wrong with the button/spring itself, so concluded that it must have been an issue with the case pressing slightly against the trigger and inhibiting travel. A cursory google suggested that this was the case, pun not intended, and it should be an easy fix.

Step 2: It's midnight, convince yourself that you don't need to fix it Right Now, and it can in fact wait until tomorrow.


Step 3: Consider your options.

Given that there is only the tiniest bit of plastic touching the trigger, you have two choices. You can either use sandpaper (or the Aldi knock-off Dremel you bought a few years ago that continues to frighten you) to take away a bit of the case, or use your heatgun to apply a tiny bit of heat and bend away the offending area. Decide to use the heat gun, because you don't want to damage the case should you need to send it for RMA. Remember this step. You will dwell on it later.

Step 4: It's the morning! Let's make some choices!

Take the back off your Deck and carry it all upstairs. Decide to work in the front room because you don't have a garage, and the shed in the garden is falling to pieces. Open the window to let out any fumes, and make sure the cats aren't in here with you. As the heat gun hasn't been touched for years, the rubber casing has become weirdly sticky. This feels horrible to your hands, for reasons that likely won't become clear for another 36 months, which is when you have your autism assesment booked in. In the mean time, wrap a bit of plastic around the heat gun so you can bear to touch it. Mark out the bit of the case that you wish to bend. Apply heat to the offending area making sweeping movements, to ensure that no one place gets heated for too long. Very gently push this part out, then wave the back of the case in the cold air of the open window, to allow the plastic to cool. Click the back of the case onto the body of the deck.

Step 5: Test your repair.

At this point, the back of the deck is in place and the left trigger is moving freely. If you stop now, you will have successfully fixed the problem.

Step 6: Notice that the bit that you pushed out is slightly bulging the other way.

It's a minor cosmetic blemish, and doesn't affect how the Deck handles or how the buttons work.

Step 7: Decide that this isn't good enough, and that you can push it back slightly the other way.


Remove the back of the Stream Deck and apply the heat gun once again, focussing on the area that you want to fix. Do not notice that another part of the case is also taking heat, and has bent slightly. Cool the back of the deck once again, and attempt to refit the back of the case.

Step 8: Realise that the back of the case no longer fits.

Huh. That's strange. The back of the case no longer fits. Better get the heat gun back on it to sort that out.

Step 9: Repeat this process for half an hour until you have to stop what you're doing and attend a work meeting with a difficult colleague.

Fizz with anxiety, both because of the looming meeting, and ther fact that every passing second seems to make things worse.

Step 10: Finish the meeting, return to the heatgun.


You've now got an hour before your next meeting, which is with your boss and which you're stressed about. Spend this time heating the back of the case and gradually making things worse.

Step 11: Finish the meeting, return to the heatgun.

At this point you've absoutely hosed it beyond repair. The plastic is warped to buggery, and the best you can hope for is getting most of the case to click into place. This takes several hours, it looks like poo poo, and the case won't properly close on the left hand side. Also L4 and L5 now barely work, because apparently you hosed that as well somehow. Dwell on the decisions made in Steps 3 and 6.

Step 12: Check IFixIt

They sell replacement backs! For twenty five quid! They're out of stock!

Step 13: Raise a support ticket with Valve, asking if they will send you a replacement back rather than having to send your Deck away.

Nope. Also because you hosed it, the repair will be out of warranty. That'll be £120 to repair at a minimum.

Step 14: Say gently caress that, and order a silicone case so you can hold your deck without feeling queasy.

Keep refreshing to see if IFixIt have the backs in stock. Resign yourself to eventually paying the £25 as a "you're a loving idiot" fee.

Step 15: Reflect on Steps 3 and 6 for several days. Feel a bit sick. Post about it.

oh god



And that is how to avoid sending your expensive piece of consumer electronics away for a second RMA. I hope this helps someone else in a similar position!

ottergauze
Dec 11, 2022

I'm noticing much better performance bumping the VRAM to 4GB. 12GB of general RAM seems like plenty for most of the games that people would run on this thing. Not sure what Valve was thinking making it only 1GB. Since it's an APU you can just bump it up in the UEFI, it's pish easy and I would recommend it without a second thought.

Errata: RDR2 really doesn't seem to like this, but some games perform better with it. I'll retract my "I would recommend it without a second thought" and just say ymmv.

ottergauze fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Dec 12, 2022

Squiggle
Sep 29, 2002

I don't think she likes the special sauce, Rick.


The deck will absolutely grab more RAM for video if it needs it - the 1gb is just the minimum allocated, but I think it grabs up to...6? 4? if it wants. Changing the minimum means there's less switching when it suddenly needs more, but it can also gently caress with games for some reason - Red Dead 2 runs like dogshit when there's rain, water, or fog on screen with the VRAM minimum bumped up, and it completely goes away when set back to 1gb. Can't explain it.

ottergauze
Dec 11, 2022

Squiggle posted:

The deck will absolutely grab more RAM for video if it needs it - the 1gb is just the minimum allocated, but I think it grabs up to...6? 4? if it wants. Changing the minimum means there's less switching when it suddenly needs more, but it can also gently caress with games for some reason - Red Dead 2 runs like dogshit when there's rain, water, or fog on screen with the VRAM minimum bumped up, and it completely goes away when set back to 1gb. Can't explain it.

A case by case basis then, that’s fair enough. I’ve noticed improvements in Firewatch, Subnautica and ETS2, none of them particularly demanding (except maybe Firewatch in the context of a handheld).

I haven’t actually noticed any performance issues on my end in RDR2 like you mentioned, but i will change back and see, i usually play on a capped 30 and it runs about as stable as I’d expect it to.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

I seem to recall some games like older ones not being able to grab more ram for whatever reason.

Either way it’s a simple easy change that I’ve left enabled with no issues I can tell so far.

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself





Ouch. Mine is currently been on the way shipping to valve for nearly a week and I miss having it terribly. I didn't think it would bother me this much.

Squiggle
Sep 29, 2002

I don't think she likes the special sauce, Rick.


ottergauze posted:

A case by case basis then, that’s fair enough. I’ve noticed improvements in Firewatch, Subnautica and ETS2, none of them particularly demanding (except maybe Firewatch in the context of a handheld).

I haven’t actually noticed any performance issues on my end in RDR2 like you mentioned, but i will change back and see, i usually play on a capped 30 and it runs about as stable as I’d expect it to.

That actually makes sense then, because the performance impact is it dropping down to 30fps with no way of getting it to run better. I run it at 45 locked, myself, which is why I noticed.

By the way, the REAL performance improvement for ETS2: Set it to use Proton Experimental in the Compatibility Preferences. The linux native client runs really badly by comparison, but you can get 60fps at near maximum settings with Proton emulating the windows version instead. All you have to do is use the Compatibility menu to tell it to use ANY proton, and it'll do that instead.

ottergauze
Dec 11, 2022

Squiggle posted:

By the way, the REAL performance improvement for ETS2: Set it to use Proton Experimental in the Compatibility Preferences. The linux native client runs really badly by comparison, but you can get 60fps at near maximum settings with Proton emulating the windows version instead. All you have to do is use the Compatibility menu to tell it to use ANY proton, and it'll do that instead.


I was already on Proton after some pretty nasty visuals glitches popped up in the native version. First only when connected to my TV through the official dock, and then out of nowhere it started happening regardless. I’ll give experimental a shot, thanks for the pointer!

Unmaintained or untested “official” linux ports suck vs what proton can do, I’ve had a similar situation with Borderlands 2 (which has an outdated linux version, you need to run through Proton to play with people on Windows).

For the sake of prosperity, if anyone's finding this while trying to get Borderlands 2 to work under Proton you need these launch options:
code:
bash -c 'exec "${@/Launcher.exe/Borderlands2.exe}"' -- %command% -nomoviestartup -NoLauncher

ottergauze fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Dec 11, 2022

loopsheloop
Oct 22, 2010
I guess slay the spire has one of the paddles bound to end turn by default, which is not a great thing to learn while playing slay the spire

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!
feel like an idiot, but how do I make RetroArch have access to my microSD? I have it pulled up in Flatseal but don't see an obvious "microsd slot" toggle under the various permissions

parasyte
Aug 13, 2003

Nobody wants to die except the suicides. They're no fun.

Countblanc posted:

feel like an idiot, but how do I make RetroArch have access to my microSD? I have it pulled up in Flatseal but don't see an obvious "microsd slot" toggle under the various permissions

you have to give it access to the specific path the sd card gets mounted at, it's not a device toggle
should be /run/media/mmcblk0p1

unpurposed
Apr 22, 2008
:dukedog:

Fun Shoe
Anyone running into the crash bug on Death Stranding: Director's Cut where moving the right stick will crash the game in the map screen?

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

ottergauze posted:


For the sake of prosperity, if anyone's finding this while trying to get Borderlands 2 to work under Proton you need these launch options:
code:
bash -c 'exec "${@/Launcher.exe/Borderlands2.exe}"' -- %command% -nomoviestartup -NoLauncher

I applaud this, but on the other hand I strongly feel this abuse of bash should be very illegal. I love it.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

parasyte posted:

you have to give it access to the specific path the sd card gets mounted at, it's not a device toggle
should be /run/media/mmcblk0p1

great, thank you

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Vegastar
Jan 2, 2005

Tigers will do anything for a tuna sandwich.


unpurposed posted:

Anyone running into the crash bug on Death Stranding: Director's Cut where moving the right stick will crash the game in the map screen?

I’m probably like, 30 hours in and haven’t seen this. I believe I changed to Proton GE right out of the gate having heard that fixed some issues though - perhaps that’ll help if you haven’t already tried it.

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