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mcmagic posted:Bowles going to be one and done in tampa? He should be. Hopefully. At this point they need to gut the coaching staff, get the cap situation in order, and start to rebuild.
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Couglin's getting in guys, sorry. he's got two superbowl wins, a ton of playoff wins, and coached the most successful jags teams. more importantly he's got a bunch of huge memorable wins like slaying the undefeated pats and wiping marino off the face of the earth before he retired. he's a dick but he's getting in.
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Dec 12, 2022 19:41
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Hall of Fame voters only care what you accomplished as a football coach and not how big of a dick you were to your players. Coughlin is a shoo-in.
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Dec 12, 2022 19:43
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mcmagic posted:Bowles going to be one and done in tampa? He should be. god willing but who knows if they have the balls to fire him when brady walks this offseason. i would love a fresh start next year though. the division's down, its not like we need a miracle to be competitive with the rest of the detritus here
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Dec 12, 2022 19:45
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DariusLikewise posted:Hall of Fame voters only care what you accomplished as a football coach and not how big of a dick you were to your players. Coughlin is a shoo-in.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:god willing but who knows if they have the balls to fire him when brady walks this offseason. i would love a fresh start next year though. the division's down, its not like we need a miracle to be competitive with the rest of the detritus here Only thing that scares me is the Glazers have never fired a coach after one season.
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Dec 12, 2022 20:01
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I think the Urban Meyer trainwreck in Jacksonville has erased all memory of Coughlin's second Jags stint as EVP of Football Operations and what a disaster that was.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I think the Urban Meyer trainwreck in Jacksonville has erased all memory of Coughlin's second Jags stint as EVP of Football Operations and what a disaster that was. I had kind of forgotten about the time the NFLPA sent a memo to every player advising them to never sign with the Jags because Coughlin was such a loving dick which is a massive lol
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Dec 12, 2022 20:09
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wandler20 posted:Only thing that scares me is the Glazers have never fired a coach after one season. if im remembering right I dont think any of the previous coaches had terrible first seasons though. bizarrely all the bad tampa coaches of the 2000s have started with weirdly good/overperforming first seasons before immediately cratering through the earth's crust
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Dec 12, 2022 20:49
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Payton has storyline on his side, too. It's hard for people nowadays to remember exactly how pathetic of a franchise the Saints were until he got there.
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Docjowles posted:I had kind of forgotten about the time the NFLPA sent a memo to every player advising them to never sign with the Jags because Coughlin was such a loving dick which is a massive lol Not just him being a Dick either, it was because under Coughlin they had given double or triple the amount of team fines as the next closest team.
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Dec 12, 2022 21:29
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quote:According to the NFLPA, over 25 percent of player grievances in the past two seasons had been filed against the Jaguars.[27]
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Lance of Llanwyln posted:Hell, probably there are a lot of HoF voters who would consider his brutish “old school” approach to be praiseworthy. Yeah exactly. "If youre early youre on time, if youre on time youre LATE" is the crap HoF voters eat up He's Snee's father in law too, I cant imagine what a nightmare that is haha
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Dec 12, 2022 22:15
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Tom Coughlin is the reason we have to argue about Eli's HOF case. He's a much stronger candidate than people think.
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Benne posted:Tom Coughlin is the reason we have to argue about Eli's HOF case. He's a much stronger candidate than people think. He has a significantly worse career record and performance than Mike McCarthy did with the Packers. All else being equal about his Packers tenure, does Fat Mike get in if the Packers make it to/win the Super Bowl in any single one of 2007/2011/2014/2016? I think not. And before you write him off because of his quarterbacks, McCarthy is widely credited for rejuvenating Favre during his final couple years with the Packers as well as completely overhauling Rodger's Tedford mechanics. Did Coughlin have a similar level of value-add to the Jaguars/Giants? edit: to clarify further, I'm arguing Coughlin is below the McCarthy line (similar to the Dalton line) and gets in solely for 2007/2011 and not for anything else. SKULL.GIF fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Dec 13, 2022 |
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Did Murray’s injury just save Kliff’s job? Feels pointless to replace him after that contract extension if his starting QB may not be back til 2024.
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Ragnarok the Red posted:Did Murray’s injury just save Kliff’s job? Feels pointless to replace him after that contract extension if his starting QB may not be back til 2024. if you don't change something why would fans give a single poo poo about the next season? Hell, why should players care about anything but a playcheck?
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Dec 13, 2022 08:04
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my advice to cardinals fans is that they can sign 5 free agents who will all be very good, lose 5 free agents who were all very bad, and get very hyped about all their perfect draft selections
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Dec 13, 2022 08:26
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The thing about Coughlin isn't just that he has two Superbowls - it's that he's the only coach other than Bill Belichick to even have multiple championship wins in the last twenty years.
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Dec 13, 2022 08:33
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He coached an expansion team to a championship game in their third season of existing
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i'll never forget when he took his wil;dcard team and made a comeback and beated the poo poo out of john elway who choked hugely and it seemed like john elway wasn't ever going to win a sb and that was his last chance and tom coughlin beat the poo poo out of his rear end. but later on somethinbg else happened.
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Dec 13, 2022 08:48
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tom coughlin ought to be nicknamed jimmy hofer for how much of a hofer he is. the jimmy part who gives a poo poo about that one.
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I think it depends on the voter but it's a hard case to argue against. You gotta have the numbers for the HOF and it's hard to argue that he doesn't, you've also got to have the moments and again - hard to argue against two superbowl wins against Billy 5 aces during his tenure with the Giants. Sure as poo poo wouldn't want to put up with his bullshit but I can see why some players would thrive in that environment. It's a tough balance for a coach to walk, you've got a team made up of 53 grown men with different back grounds, upbringings, outlooks, beliefs and all that poo poo and it wouldn't be an easy task to cater to all of them. 25% of all grievances filed against a coach in a year is kind of insane when there's 32 teams though. Makes me think of that time Bobby Petrino almost got turfed off the team bus by his own players.
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I was curious and checked, Seifert, Shanahan and Coughlin are the only 3 coaches with multiple Super Bowl wins who aren't in the Hall. Seifert gets hurt by his stint in Carolina and the fact he inherited a great team Shanahan never really hit the same level of success with the Broncos post Elway, the best being the 03-04-05 seasons in which they went 10-6, 10-6, 13-3 before returning to their cycle of 7-8-9 win seasons. Plus his stint with Washington was pretty bad. Those two at least managed a winning percentage above .600 in both of their better stints, with Seifert's 49ers Stint .766 winning percentage would be the highest winning percentage of all Super Bowl era coaches. I think at the very least Seifert and Shanahan probably get in before Coughlin, given that there is only 1 coach being enshrined every year. There's also a glut of really great coaches too.
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Ragnarok the Red posted:Did Murray’s injury just save Kliff’s job? God I hope not.
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Murray is going to get so loving fat during this injury.
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Competitor brain not withstanding, he'd be dumb to come back. His above-replacement-level attribute was speed, which he was losing. Will he ever trust that leg enough to run full tilt even if he hadn't lost a step? Take your guaranteed money, retire without a meaningful head injury #winning
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:His KDR will be amazing tho. His winning percentage will still be below 50%.
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Qwijib0 posted:Competitor brain not withstanding, he'd be dumb to come back. His above-replacement-level attribute was speed, which he was losing. Will he ever trust that leg enough to run full tilt even if he hadn't lost a step? Take your guaranteed money, retire without a meaningful head injury #winning Carson Wentz certainly turned to total poo poo after blowing up his acl but he also was less of a runner.
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FizFashizzle posted:Murray is going to get so loving fat during this injury. At least someone in this poo poo franchise gets to treat themselves. If Kliff survives the season, I think I'm just done with the team. Kyler is one of the five watchable players. Kiem is a big problem too, but he's so deeply entrenched in the team they're not gonna fire him.
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Cavauro posted:my advice to cardinals fans is that they can sign 5 free agents who will all be very good, lose 5 free agents who were all very bad, and get very hyped about all their perfect draft selections Every fan of every team should heed this advice for Pete’s sake!
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Acebuckeye13 posted:The thing about Coughlin isn't just that he has two Superbowls - it's that he's the only coach other than Bill Belichick to even have multiple championship wins in the last twenty years. We can’t let bill be the only one. Andy needs to win another - crying out loud!
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Qwijib0 posted:Competitor brain not withstanding, he'd be dumb to come back. His above-replacement-level attribute was speed, which he was losing. Will he ever trust that leg enough to run full tilt even if he hadn't lost a step? Take your guaranteed money, retire without a meaningful head injury #winning Go home and be a
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Forrest on Fire posted:At least someone in this poo poo franchise gets to treat themselves. Aim higher. Why is Keim getting to stay?
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a neat cape posted:He coached an expansion team to a championship game in their third season of existing Award Dom Capers
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Asproigerosis posted:Carson Wentz certainly turned to total poo poo after blowing up his acl but he also was less of a runner. I disagree to a small extent because Carson really loved to try to run. He just wasn't anywhere near as good at it (and got blown the hell up constantly). But yeah I don't think we can take any meaningful thoughts on the future performance of Kyler from this comparison.
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a neat cape posted:He coached an expansion team to a championship game in their third season of existing *second season So did Dom Capers for that matter.
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Isentropy posted:Aim higher. Why is Keim getting to stay? Because the owner is a shithead. My pie in the sky dream is just give the team to Sean Payton and hope another HoF QB wants to retire from snowy weather.
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syzpid posted:I was curious and checked, Seifert, Shanahan and Coughlin are the only 3 coaches with multiple Super Bowl wins who aren't in the Hall. I'm pretty sure Shanahan is going to be a senior committee selection this year. Seifert is probably never getting in at this point and Coughlin isn't eligible until 2024.
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