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kw0134 posted:Because if you don't want to offer a solution we can try for and instead want to doompost, or more disingenuously try to pass off your doomposting as a "solution" then I'm going to tear it apart for the time-wasting nonsense it is. Removing private money from your criminal defense is a hugely important step towards an equitable future because it removes the concept of otherizing someone's rights-- you said criminal rights are your rights and you're correct; but they shouldn't need to be told that. Strickland already establishes a baseline level of legal representation, and meeting that standard for everyone would necessitate large public expense to remedy the system as currently most PDs aren't able to do their job, usually because of a lack of funding. Failure to meet that level is a constitutional violation, because it is a constitutional right to receive an adequate legal defense. So that part's handled. When people have to decide the adequacy of their own vs. the adequacy of another, however, it's a bit like watching toddlers split cookies. Tell one toddler to split the cookie and give the other kid the other half, they'll take the most for themself. Tell one toddler to split the cookie and the other kid gets to choose which half he gets, and they'll get laser-focused on making sure it's fair. That is the equitable solution to the criminal system: everyone gets the same, and everyone gets a say in what that looks like. SBF is going to get destroyed, hopefully, but he's going to be able to mount a much more substantial legal defense than other people to make sure his rights are protected. And that's absolutely hosed up, since that's what we've decided is necessary to protect your rights: mountains of money? jokes fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Dec 13, 2022 |
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kw0134 posted:For every high profile case where you're "sure" that someone is guilty, there are thousands, if not millions, of people who would be adversely affected by your suggestions. "Leveling" the playing field in your world effectively means digging a giant pit. My solution is just a shortcut at the start of the process where if you're worth more than a billion, you're definitely guilty of something.
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I mean as long as money can be used to supplement your basic rights, it’s going to produce lop sided results. That’s just how it works, it’s how it’s designed to work. No pie in the sky rising everyone up bullshit will change that
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean as long as money can be used to supplement your basic rights, it’s going to produce lop sided results. That’s just how it works, it’s how it’s designed to work. No pie in the sky rising everyone up bullshit will change that I'm just giving a flawless heuristic for the prosecution of crimes.
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Boxturret posted:please be kind, this is all a house of cards and we're barely able to keep it standing Goodnight sweet prince (USER WAS PERMABANNED FOR THIS POST) Somebody fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Dec 13, 2022 |
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Binance is teetering on the edge and a top quality "how it started , how is going" meme crowns the page. Shut up about the legal system. Edit: Oh wow....i got post sniped by something wonderful Illuminti fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Dec 13, 2022 |
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I don't know why I do this. It's a compulsion really.
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Dr. Bithattan posted:lol clown rear end mod edited my post without the probe.
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Splicer posted:what does this mean (this is seraph84) I love u seraph Dr. Bithattan fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Dec 13, 2022 |
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we're currently engaged in a post edit war, which the mods are predictably losing like everything else they've tried with me over the past 9 years, lulz! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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so are they going to go after people who made tons of money on FTX and give it back to creditors ala Madoff because just loving lol if so
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Too bad we can’t punish a hundredaire like Seraph84 
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kw0134 posted:You're not really considering what all this implies; everyone gets a public defender, no outside counsel is allowed. The state cuts funding to the PD program and you get 2 nanoseconds (down from the 5 nanoseconds you currently get) with a lawyer before you go before the judge at your arraignment. You are advised to plead guilty because sure as gently caress this is as much legal representation you're gonna get for the entire process, and if you insist on a trial they can squeeze you in sometime in 2026. Until then you're in jail. After all, if your money is considered tainted, why would you let anyone out on bail? That's just proceeds from the crime, after all.
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Guze posted:Hey, I've seen this episode before lol burn bitch
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jokes posted:When people have to decide the adequacy of their own vs. the adequacy of another, however, it's a bit like watching toddlers split cookies. Tell one toddler to split the cookie and give the other kid the other half, they'll take the most for themself. Tell one toddler to split the cookie and the other kid gets to choose which half he gets, and they'll get laser-focused on making sure it's fair. we got john rawls in the joint tonight!!! make some motherfuckin noise!!!
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VitalSigns posted:If public defenders are a violation of our rights, why are they okay for poor people Sole public defender pools are used to great effect in post colonial governments in much the way OP describes for a total disenfranchisement either as stooges, as a reason to slow down justice while utilizing jails instead of prisons etc. Maybe it's a perfectly large pool with fairly skilled individuals. Still lotteries, choice from the pool etc. all are proven to be horseshit at actually providing adequate legal facilities to the low class while the high class floats on through with government connections or not-lawyers in their and their public counsels ears anyway. There's a few bullet points to fix the US legal system but largely in the outcomes of criminal handling. There's potentially new ideas entirely waiting for us to discuss and implement them. Yet the problems pointed out in this thread are actually with the entire concept of the 3%'s outsize social power in the US and is fixed with other sorts of social equity. I get tired of hearing it as the only Something Awful liberal refrain but sometimes all there is left is to eat the rich.
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jokes posted:SBF looks like he would taste just horrible And argue with every Magic the Gathering card you tried to play against him.
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But, if his LoL record is anything to go by, he'd be really bad at Magic and make bad arguments
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kw0134 posted:The point is that you're going to have a society, and even fully automated luxury gay space communism is a socioeconomic system. The post scarcity utopia of Star Trek is a system. Solarpunk robot farms is a system. Whether or not these goals are attainable is besides the point, you're going to have something in the vacuum. obv i'm kidding, this is a comedy website and you should unbunch your panties
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Nessus posted:Too bad we can’t punish a hundredaire like Seraph84 please be nicer to mr damon
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happyhippy posted:And argue with every Magic the Gathering card you tried to play against him. I had friends who played MTG in college and like half the guys they play with at tourneys looked like a clone of this dude with the personality of an anal rash. I got the hell away from those friends when I realized all of them were lovely incels, even if they covered it up well.
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stiff upper lip homie, austerity and all that...hope brexit made beans cheap cause that's what you're eating tonight.
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Elden Lord Godfrey posted:Why the gently caress would the US government need to FTX's customer money to send to Ukraine? They already give enough out in the open. If an alphabet agency wants to set up a slush fund for black ops, you would do it with something that actually generates a revenue stream, not an upjumped ponzi scheme that could collapse at a moment's notice. Unregulated exchanges can't be a bad idea that will inevitably attract scammers and thieves and ponzis until a collapse wipes everyone out, so all that must be the fault of saboteurs sent by guess who, Big Government the source of all evil.
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ultrafilter posted:"You said wire fraud twice." Hold it! No one move or the doge gets it!
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Imagine robbing a bank and running from the cops, but right before you're captured you run into your lawyer's office and hand him the bag of stolen money as payment for legal representation and the lawyer comes on these forums and says "me getting paid for my services in this manner is a natural consequence of a fair system." LMAO (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/sam-bankman-fried-denied-bail-in-bahamas-on-ftx-fraud-charges-judge-cites-flight-risk/ar-AA15eRnA Judge isn't taking any of sam's song and dance here. Will be interesting to see how Crypto people try to pivot. I've been hearing some say they'll trade stocks. notwithoutmyanus fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Dec 13, 2022 |
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notwithoutmyanus posted:https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/sam-bankman-fried-denied-bail-in-bahamas-on-ftx-fraud-charges-judge-cites-flight-risk/ar-AA15eRnA
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CharlestheHammer posted:You can sell it for cheap as well Cheaper, even!
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quote:Bankman-Fried's parents were animated during the proceeding, at times laughing or putting their fingers in their ears its not a crime if you dont hear it
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I can't stop laughing about this. Congress: don't worry, rich-people-crimes are basically legal as long as you can keep a straight face and say "ah but you can't know for sure that I'm not just really really stupid and bad at my job and all this money disappeared into my penthouse payments by accident" Sam Bankman-Fried: #Wirefraud I'm concerned we aren't incriminating ourselves enough, thoughts? Whats-her-name: but I'm already posting on mycrimes.tumbler.com as much as I can SBF: I'm uploading confessions to YouTube rn is 7 enough?
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I had friends who played MTG in college and like half the guys they play with at tourneys looked like a clone of this dude with the personality of an anal rash. I got the hell away from those friends when I realized all of them were lovely incels, even if they covered it up well. I walked into a large game store to pick something up for my nephew a few years ago. They were having a MTG tournament and it was packed with players. The smell of B.O. was overpowering. Like walking into a wall of stink.
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VitalSigns posted:I can't stop laughing about this. whats-her-name: i have noticed you have been really clearly trying to blame me in your 7 video confessions and have hired snitches & squealers llp to be the first to mash the betray button today, rather than spend months negotiating a deal
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Todays Mark Levine is well worth a read. https://newsletterhunt.com/newsletters/money-stuff-by-matt-levine
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