MLB Offseason: It's All About the Positions He Doesn't Play

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Who's your 2022 MVP? This poll is closed.
Shohei Ohtani	50	59.52%
Aaron Judge	19	22.62%
Hey, the national league has an MVP too you know!	15	17.86%
Total:	84 votes

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R.D. Mangles: Jan 10, 2004

Article on the old SNL sketch where a large number of mostly undistinguished and random baseball players terrorize Chris Kattan, truly a smorgasbord of Guys. Of course since it's the ringeri t has to be a tedious oral history, but because it's Lindbergh he also has everyone's WAR. Fun read.https://www.theringer.com/tv/2022/12/13/23506851/saturday-night-live-baseball-dreams-come-true-sketch-oral-history

# ? Dec 13, 2022 20:33

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# ? May 28, 2024 04:33

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

bawfuls posted:

�baseball� refers to more than simple the MLB corporate entity. It can include the people in and around the sport, the culture around it, fans, and more. Perhaps you can understand how all those things collectively might have made it more difficult to come out?

Oh absolutely, just the way it was worded sounded like there was a specific policy that made it even harder.

More amusing graphics from bbref twitter

lol "Who the gently caress is Eric Hosmer"

zoux fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Dec 13, 2022

# ? Dec 13, 2022 20:42

elentar: Aug 26, 2002; Every single year the Ivy League takes a break from fucking up the world through its various alumni to fuck up everyone's bracket instead.

New Mexico is Braves country?

# ? Dec 13, 2022 21:04

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Pitching question:

Is "changeup" a catchall term for whatever weirdo pitch a particular pitcher has developed? Growing up I just equated it with "slow ball" but I know some of them have serious and strange movement. Do they have movement tendencies or does that change from pitcher to pitcher

Inspiration:
https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1602651217527644162

I know the camera angle fucks with how a pitch looks, but it looks like Pedro has some significant arm side run. On those "guess the pitch" games changeups are the ones that get me the most.

zoux fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Dec 13, 2022

# ? Dec 13, 2022 21:21

Iodised QQ: Jul 23, 2004

Hand Knit posted:

What's a Chris Bassitt and what does it do?

https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/.amp/news/new-york-chris-bassitt-regrets-telling-mets-about-positive-covid-test

quote:

Chris Bassitt Regrets Telling New York Mets About Positive Covid Test

�It�s ridiculous we�re still doing it,� Bassitt said of MLB's COVID protocols. �Stop testing it. Stop acting like COVID is far worse than a lot of other things. I�m not trying to get too much into it, but I was never sick, never had a symptom. So, sitting out for two weeks or a week for zero symptoms, I don�t know.�

�I tested myself just because the only symptom, so-called, that I had was the second game vs. Houston I was just way more sluggish, tired than I usually have [been], and having a little girl at home and stuff like that, If I can somewhat be safe, I will,� Bassitt said. �I tested myself and it was positive, so I basically had the choice to tell them so I could kind of protect my teammates or not say anything and put my teammates at risk a little bit.

�But, I mean, I never had a symptom. I woke up fine, the next day fine, haven�t had a symptom since, so I don�t know if I made the right decision of saying something or not. I don�t know.�

I tested myself because I had the symptom of being really tired and sluggish and now you're gonna tell me I have covid and need to isolate myself despite having zero symptoms???

In summary, Chris bassitt is a man of contrasts with very intelligent opinions

# ? Dec 13, 2022 21:21

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

zoux posted:

Pitching question:

Is "changeup" a catchall term for whatever weirdo pitch a particular pitcher has developed? Growing up I just equated it with "slow ball" but I know some of them have serious and strange movement. Do they have movement tendencies or does that change from pitcher to pitcher

There are different kinds of change ups; circle change, vulcan, palmball but they are generally just called a change up. It's really just a slower fastball that has some drop and perhaps lateral movement but not as slow or as much movement to be called something like a curveball/slider/splitter.

But yes at times there is a grey area on what to call a pitch and you'll hear announcers just call it an off speed pitch if they aren't sure what the guy was trying to throw.

# ? Dec 13, 2022 21:25

IcePhoenix: Sep 18, 2005; Take me to your Shida

zoux posted:

Pitching question:

Is "changeup" a catchall term for whatever weirdo pitch a particular pitcher has developed? Growing up I just equated it with "slow ball" but I know some of them have serious and strange movement. Do they have movement tendencies or does that change from pitcher to pitcher

Inspiration:
https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1602651217527644162

I know the camera angle fucks with how a pitch looks, but it looks like Pedro has some significant arm side run. On those "guess the pitch" games changeups are the ones that get me the most.

It's mainly about the grip and how you throw it. A Changeup will ideally have the exact same arm movement as a Fastball, but the grip means it slows down and has movement due to the spin imparted on it being different.

Sliders and Curveballs (and other breaking pitches) will oftentimes include a bit of extra movement from the arm or wrist to give the ball that "snap" (which is also why these pitches are usually blamed for injuries and why people tell kids not to throw them (I don't know if any of this is mechanically true but many things repeated by parents are not))

# ? Dec 13, 2022 21:26

TV Zombie: Sep 6, 2011; Burying all the trauma from past nights
Burying my anger in the past

gently caress off bassitt

# ? Dec 13, 2022 21:26

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

Iodised QQ posted:

https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/.amp/news/new-york-chris-bassitt-regrets-telling-mets-about-positive-covid-test

I tested myself because I had the symptom of being really tired and sluggish and now you're gonna tell me I have covid and need to isolate myself despite having zero symptoms???

In summary, Chris bassitt is a man of contrasts with very intelligent opinions

lol this man seems very dumb.

# ? Dec 13, 2022 21:28

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

IcePhoenix posted:

It's mainly about the grip and how you throw it. A Changeup will ideally have the exact same arm movement as a Fastball, but the grip means it slows down and has movement due to the spin imparted on it being different.

Sliders and Curveballs (and other breaking pitches) will oftentimes include a bit of extra movement from the arm or wrist to give the ball that "snap" (which is also why these pitches are usually blamed for injuries and why people tell kids not to throw them (I don't know if any of this is mechanically true but many things repeated by parents are not))

I think the latest scholarship on it is that it's velocity that tears ucls, not sliders.

Also I thought the Church of Tunnelling preaches that all pitches should look the same coming out of the hand and coming from the same release

# ? Dec 13, 2022 21:28

The Pussy Boss: Nov 2, 2004

https://twitter.com/susanslusser/status/1602746366144311296

lol

but also, who are the Yankees bidding against at this point? Heyman mentioned the Cards, but signing a top shelf SP isn't really their style. Padres? Mets say gently caress it and sign all the players? Maybe the Orioles out of nowhere. That would be cool.

# ? Dec 13, 2022 21:39

Mike_V: Jul 31, 2004; 3/18/2023: Day of the Dorks

I'll be shocked if the Cardinals make any more big ticket moves. It's not ownership and management's style (to spend a lot of money)

# ? Dec 13, 2022 21:41

live with fruit: Aug 15, 2010

Mike_V posted:

I'll be shocked if the Cardinals make any more big ticket moves. It's not ownership and management's style (to spend a lot of money)

Arenado not opting out is already the deal of the winter.

# ? Dec 13, 2022 21:49

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

Gotta imagine Arenado is kicking himself right now about that lol. Even if he was willing to take a haircut so the team had more payroll to add around him, the market is so turbocharged right now he legit might have been able to double his money if he'd opted out.

# ? Dec 13, 2022 21:59

Artix: Apr 26, 2010; He's finally back, to kick some tail! And this time, he's goin' to jail!

The Pussy Boss posted:

but also, who are the Yankees bidding against at this point? Heyman mentioned the Cards, but signing a top shelf SP isn't really their style. Padres? Mets say gently caress it and sign all the players? Maybe the Orioles out of nowhere. That would be cool.

I would lose my mind (in a good way) if Elias actually ponied up for Rodon but lmao they couldn't be bothered to beat any of the Tier 2 offers that were out there. Like, you gave Gibson 1/10 but Quitana at 2/26 was a bridge too far?

# ? Dec 13, 2022 22:09

Some Numbers: Sep 28, 2006; "LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

The Pussy Boss posted:

https://twitter.com/susanslusser/status/1602746366144311296

lol

but also, who are the Yankees bidding against at this point? Heyman mentioned the Cards, but signing a top shelf SP isn't really their style. Padres? Mets say gently caress it and sign all the players? Maybe the Orioles out of nowhere. That would be cool.

Surprise mariners?

# ? Dec 13, 2022 22:11

R.D. Mangles: Jan 10, 2004

We have Carlos Rodon at home

At home

# ? Dec 13, 2022 22:12

howe_sam: Mar 7, 2013; Creepy little garbage eaters

zoux posted:

Pitching question:

Is "changeup" a catchall term for whatever weirdo pitch a particular pitcher has developed? Growing up I just equated it with "slow ball" but I know some of them have serious and strange movement. Do they have movement tendencies or does that change from pitcher to pitcher

Pedro, on change-ups
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucZk9xJ0-aM

# ? Dec 13, 2022 22:14

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

R.D. Mangles posted:

We have Carlos Rodon at home

At home

Thanks for reminding me that the Cubs non-tendered Rondon because they didn't want to pay him like $4M and justified it with "don't worry we still have Justin Grimm!"

Grimm sucked so bad in spring training he was cut, lol.

# ? Dec 13, 2022 22:15

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

Also TIL Justin Grimm threw innings in 2022 for the Oakland A's, this is the most dire thing about the A's I've heard yet and that includes the Murphy trade.

# ? Dec 13, 2022 22:17

Niwrad: Jul 1, 2008

Nodoze posted:

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1602723668697784325

This seems like a good deal. Stripling is good.

# ? Dec 13, 2022 22:29

bawfuls: Oct 28, 2009

He�s a perfidious traitor is what he is

# ? Dec 13, 2022 22:31

R.D. Mangles: Jan 10, 2004

bawfuls posted:

He�s a perfidious traitor is what he is

trader

# ? Dec 13, 2022 22:32

Darude - Adam Sandstorm: Aug 16, 2012

bawfuls posted:

He�s a perfidious traitor is what he is

wow siding with management

# ? Dec 13, 2022 22:34

bawfuls: Oct 28, 2009

Just like Joc

# ? Dec 13, 2022 22:36

Inspector_666: Oct 7, 2003; _{benny with the good hair}

zoux posted:

I think the latest scholarship on it is that it's velocity that tears ucls, not sliders.

Also I thought the Church of Tunnelling preaches that all pitches should look the same coming out of the hand and coming from the same release

Velo is the highest correlation to UCL damage, but improperly thrown sliders involve pronation of the elbow which is incredibly bad for it. That's probably more of an issue in youth ball, but still.

Also it turns out that tunnels are less important than throwing your best pitches even if they don't actually overlay each other perfectly.

# ? Dec 13, 2022 23:01

Kevlar v2.0: Dec 25, 2003; =^�⩊�^=

R.D. Mangles posted:

We have Carlos Rodon at home

At home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT6EmMnKRZI&t=61s

# ? Dec 13, 2022 23:02

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

The Pussy Boss posted:

https://twitter.com/susanslusser/status/1602746366144311296

lol

but also, who are the Yankees bidding against at this point? Heyman mentioned the Cards, but signing a top shelf SP isn't really their style. Padres? Mets say gently caress it and sign all the players? Maybe the Orioles out of nowhere. That would be cool.

Taking that report with a giant grain of salt since she was one of the people along with Heyman that thought Judge was going to the Giants

# ? Dec 13, 2022 23:18

Sab0921: Aug 2, 2004; This for my justices slingin' thangs, rib breakin' kings / Truck, necklace, robe, gavel and things / For the solicitors seein' them dissents spin and grin / That robe with the lace trim that win.

bawfuls posted:

He�s a perfidious traitor is what he is

Ross Stripling is an enemy to all baseball fans.

# ? Dec 13, 2022 23:47

Ammat The Ankh: Sep 7, 2010; Now, attempt to defeat me!
And I shall become a living legend!

Stripling is a great pick up because whenever I see him I think back to the time he was throwing a no-hitter but Dave Roberts took him out when he walked a guy, and then the very next batter hit a game-tying home run. Then the Giants walked it off.

# ? Dec 13, 2022 23:51

Sab0921: Aug 2, 2004; This for my justices slingin' thangs, rib breakin' kings / Truck, necklace, robe, gavel and things / For the solicitors seein' them dissents spin and grin / That robe with the lace trim that win.

DO IT COHEN. MOVE LINDOR TO 3RD

https://twitter.com/BenVerlander/status/1602767007610347520

# ? Dec 13, 2022 23:51

STAC Goat: Mar 12, 2008; Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

FlamingLiberal posted:

Taking that report with a giant grain of salt since she was one of the people along with Heyman that thought Judge was going to the Giants

Just as I assume the Giants really did think Judge was going to them a week ago I assume they are still talking to Rodon. Just because you are negotiating with someone or feel confidence doesn�t mean you�re in good position. The pattern seems to be that her sources are from within the Giants and they�re pushing out optimism. But signing two SPs in the last 24 hours sure suggests they�re not looking to break the bank on Rodon.

Conversely the vibe I get from the Yanks is that they aren�t gonna be tempted by Correa and they�re not enamored with the idea of giving Benintendi 5 years. So I think they�re all in on Rodon and barring a trade that might be the last big move they make this winter. Again, barring someone calling with a real nice offer.

# ? Dec 13, 2022 23:56

Intruder: Mar 5, 2003; I got a taste for blown saves

FlamingLiberal posted:

Taking that report with a giant grain of salt since she was one of the people along with Heyman that thought Judge was going to the Giants

Wrong Judge. It was Arson Judge

# ? Dec 14, 2022 00:09

bawfuls: Oct 28, 2009

Ammat The Ankh posted:

Stripling is a great pick up because whenever I see him I think back to the time he was throwing a no-hitter but Dave Roberts took him out when he walked a guy, and then the very next batter hit a game-tying home run. Then the Giants walked it off.

by far the least offensive no-no Dave has cut short, it was his MLB debut after all and he was never gonna make it 9 innings without a criminal pitch count

# ? Dec 14, 2022 00:14

maffew buildings: Apr 29, 2009; too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

Looking forward to Rodon signing somewhere and it coming out an hour later he declined an additional 50m from the Padres

# ? Dec 14, 2022 00:15

Kirios: Jan 26, 2010

Yankees being the small market team in New York will never stop being hilarious to me.

# ? Dec 14, 2022 00:31

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Intruder posted:

Wrong Judge. It was Arson Judge

Fair point

# ? Dec 14, 2022 01:10

Twin Cinema: Jun 1, 2006; Playoffs are no big deal,
don't have a crap attack.

Iodised QQ posted:

https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/.amp/news/new-york-chris-bassitt-regrets-telling-mets-about-positive-covid-test

I tested myself because I had the symptom of being really tired and sluggish and now you're gonna tell me I have covid and need to isolate myself despite having zero symptoms???

In summary, Chris bassitt is a man of contrasts with very intelligent opinions

Yeah, but this was before he joined the Jays. Now he is smarter.

# ? Dec 14, 2022 01:10

Nodoze: Aug 17, 2006; If it's only for a night I can live without you

https://mobile.twitter.com/BrendanKutyNJ/status/1602743514672291840

Watch him go to the Cardinals lol

# ? Dec 14, 2022 01:55

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# ? May 28, 2024 04:33

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Nodoze posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BrendanKutyNJ/status/1602743514672291840

Watch him go to the Cardinals lol

It would be pretty funny if the twins outbid the Yankees for a free agent.

# ? Dec 14, 2022 02:01

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