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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I really hope there is a law school somewhere called Marshall Law It's right next to Four Seasons Landscaping 
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https://www.johnmarshall.edu http://www.tsulaw.edu https://tekken.fandom.com/wiki/Marshall_Law https://www.marshalllawoffice.com So many Marshall laws under which to live
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Dec 13, 2022 16:10
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That all makes sense. In general he enjoys irritating people and pushing their buttons to make them upset. It was a bad day when he realized he could talk politics to upset me. He really seems to believe the things he says though.
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Dec 13, 2022 16:21
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Panfilo posted:I mean if so many immigrants were flooding into the country, then the good pay and benefits from 'the trades' would implode overnight. Not to mention that the costs of landscaping, restaurant service, hotels, and home renovations would suddenly get really cheap as there would be enormous competition for labor. Like any simplified worldview, it's comforting in that it removes uncertainty. Humans would rather deal in wrong certitude than correct uncertainty.
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Dec 13, 2022 16:42
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VitalSigns posted:That guy is lying to you dude, there is no way he believes the GOP isn't trying to ban abortion, that is impossible. A substantial portion of your own post history is devoted to the argument that anything the Dems haven't accomplished in the past 2 years is something they never actually had any intent of doing thanks to their trifecta and the ability to pack the court to overcome legal challenges. Both held true in 2016-2018 for the GOP and yet here we sit without a national abortion ban, Obamacare still in effect, no law preventing muslims from entering the country, no national criminalization of sodomy or dissolution of gay marriage, no shutdown of condom factories, or ban on gender affirming care. Of those, only the muslim ban got as far as the student loan debt forgiveness that Dems never actually intended to accomplish Travic posted:He really seems to believe the things he says though. If your belief is that the best way to fight climate change is with cap and trade (mainstream and bipartisan within the last 15 years, so absolutely plausible) and the only Democratic efforts that filter through your media and social bubble are "green new deal lol aoc banning burgers because cowfarts", then it sure looks like Democrats aren't serious about the climate. In fact, you can easily find pundits (and posters) across the political spectrum loudly making that very case. The rest sounds like pretty bogstandard "these idiots are too focused on things that are entirely trivial to me and not on the rare ongoing crisis that does impact me, a white man" My advice, to the extent that you're able, is to not engage or put effort in unless it's:
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Dec 13, 2022 17:15
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Neito posted:Like any simplified worldview, it's comforting in that it removes uncertainty. Humans would rather deal in wrong certitude than correct uncertainty.
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Dec 13, 2022 17:16
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Paracaidas posted:Just to note: It's entirely possible to believe that a party doesn't actually intend to do the thing it ran on doing, goes on talkshows promising to do, proposes and partially passes bills to do, and promises they'll do at the very next opportunity. E: and regardless I'm not sure your clever little equivalence here makes much sense. If the only way to get elected as a Republican is to say you want to ban abortion then obviously Republicans at large do want to ban abortion and are being betrayed by dishonest politicians so how would that be an argument that Republicans don't want to ban abortion? VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Dec 13, 2022 |
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Dec 13, 2022 17:26
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VitalSigns posted:Well if their coworker is claiming that republicans are simply lying when they say they want to ban abortion, that is quite different from claiming that all the examples of them saying it in the first place are fake and never happened, don't you agree? To be clear, it's an idiotic belief. But people can, and do, sincerely believe all sorts of nonsense.
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Dec 13, 2022 17:39
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Paracaidas posted:While "politicians lie and promise things they never intend to accomplish in order to get elected and gain power" would probably win by a landslide for 'most widely held belief about politics', it's also pretty easy to grasp how someone could believe that some members of the GOP want to ban abortion but it's not a priority for the party I pretty openly based my opinion on the reading that their coworker called all the evidence of Republicans' positions fake. So what is your point, that if their coworker had said something different like "yes they say that but I'm not worried because I don't think they're going to try very hard" then the situation would be different? Yeah if they said something different from how the story sounded then it would be different, so what?
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Dec 13, 2022 17:52
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So the "woke mind virus" is just the newest version of "PC gone mad" and "social justice warriors" and "cancel culture" right?
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Dec 13, 2022 19:50
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Jaxyon posted:So the "woke mind virus" is just the newest version of "PC gone mad" and "social justice warriors" and "cancel culture" right? Yes. It's basically the right's version of "brainworms", only it comes from an extremely brainwormy place in and of itself because no normal human being talks like that.
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Dec 13, 2022 19:57
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Zwabu posted:Is my impression that Telegram is a favored online haven of American chuds, qmanoids and rightwing dipshits of various types correct? If so, why? Because it’s encrypted and doesn’t get moderated? I've been invited to all sorts of weird Telegram groups, from QAnon BS to "Weed and Guns" groups, but I mostly treat it like a chat room for other tech nerds who are interested in the same interests as me. Telegram has some decent group messaging tools and features, but it's not very private unless you use a 1 on 1 "secret chat", which isn't enabled by default. Their servers are in Russia too.
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Dec 13, 2022 20:48
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nine-gear crow posted:Yes. It's basically the right's version of "brainworms", only it comes from an extremely brainwormy place in and of itself because no normal human being talks like that. I do wonder if it's attempting to dehumanize further or make the idea of "culling" seem reasonable. "They are infected, there is no saving them, they should be culled before they infect more."
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Dec 13, 2022 21:04
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HelloSailorSign posted:I do wonder if it's attempting to dehumanize further or make the idea of "culling" seem reasonable. It wouldn't surprise me a bit, given the historical precedence the last batch of these bastards established with regards to the biological model of the nation and need to purge it of degenerates, etc.
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Dec 13, 2022 21:11
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HelloSailorSign posted:I do wonder if it's attempting to dehumanize further or make the idea of "culling" seem reasonable. You mean like how they made a bunch of memes to build the idea that most people on the left were grey NPCs who didn’t have actual internal lives or thoughts but rather regurgitated slogans they had been told to?
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Dec 13, 2022 23:36
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Or at least it's a justification for censoring speech they disagree with while still paying lip service to 'free speech'.. My speech is just an opinion that ought to be tested solely by competion in the free marketplace of ideas, your speech is an insidious virus that takes over people's minds and destroys freedom of thought and protecting people from hearing it is actually protecting free speech.
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Dec 13, 2022 23:52
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Framboise posted:This is why I just don't engage with chuds and people brainwashed by them anymore. I can walk them through why their perspective makes no sense step by step, but because it challenges their worldview, even in the most amicable situation they'll say "we'll agree to disagree". To an extent, but one also runs the risk of affirmation by consolation. If they don't get any pushback at all, they just assume they're right - although sometimes just some stone silence coupled with a bit of eye contact can take a bit of the wind out of their sails. Like, look at them expecting them to get to the point when they think they already have. ... I've brought up some show before that I subject myself to a few minutes a couple times a week and turns out it's a guy named Mark Kaye. There is almost nothing worse than when these people try to be funny, I swear to god. When I feel up to it, I'll post a link and time stamp it but today, in one their recurring bits, they do a conservative take on Match Game; an old 70's game show where you and your partner fill in the blank on a joke and try to each get the same word/punchline. The contestants' answers are the worst part and almost have to be heard to be believed, followed closely by the hosts struggling to deal with the low IQ's of the guessers and act like it's a good answer. The callers just scan their heads for a buzzword and try to force feed that into the "joke". Anyway, one stood out to me today. Kaye: Britney Griner is SO masculine... Crowd: How masculine is she? Kaye: She is so masculine, she makes ___________ look feminine. They got a match on this one with one caller where the answer was Katlyn Jenner Hilarious, right?
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Dec 13, 2022 23:55
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BiggerBoat posted:To an extent, but one also runs the risk of affirmation by consolation. If they don't get any pushback at all, they just assume they're right - although sometimes just some stone silence coupled with a bit of eye contact can take a bit of the wind out of their sails. Like, look at them expecting them to get to the point when they think they already have. I feel bad for Katlyn sometimes, going all-in on the side that wants to roast you the hardest.
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Dec 14, 2022 00:01
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Neito posted:I feel bad for Katlyn sometimes, going all-in on the side that wants to roast you the hardest. Preferably on a stake.
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Dec 14, 2022 05:02
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She just made the honest mistake of believing that money would protect her from the fate she works so hard to prepare for others. It doesn’t seem like the pathological sublimated self-hatred in the Ben Shapiros of the world, but everyday callous selfishness.
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Dec 14, 2022 05:12
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killer_robot posted:Preferably on a stake. The sane ones of us prefer to be roasted on a spit.
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Dec 14, 2022 05:21
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Neito posted:I feel bad for Katlyn sometimes, going all-in on the side that wants to roast you the hardest. Didn't she kill somebody in a car accident?
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Dec 14, 2022 05:40
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HelloSailorSign posted:"They are infected, there is no saving them, they should be culled before they infect more." VitalSigns posted:My speech is just an opinion that ought to be tested solely by competion in the free marketplace of ideas, your speech is an insidious virus that takes over people's minds and destroys freedom of thought and protecting people from hearing it is actually protecting free speech. This is essentially what Jesse Kelly said on his show tonight. He said that liberals live outside of reality, and so you can't have a conversation with them because they live in a land of make believe. He used chili as an example, "I can say chili shouldn't have beans in it, you can say it should, but at least we're both living in reality." He got on the subject because he was commenting on Biden's speech today where he said "When a man can get married in the morning, then thrown out of a restaurant in the afternoon for being gay, that's still wrong," and how nobody has ever been thrown out of a restaurant for being gay. And so he was like "You need to just cut these people out of your life. Block five people on social media every day, find a number in your phone and block it, don't hate them, just cut them out of your life because they're not worth it." Which is pretty much what we tell people on this site to do with their chud family members/friends, for essentially the same reason.
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Dec 14, 2022 05:42
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I wonder if that means partisans on the right are coming around to that idea. Like there was this recurring trend where right wingers apparently had a harder time getting people outside their bubble to be willing to date them online. I found the whole thing kind of confusing-online theyll go on and on about how they don't want anything to do with some pink haired fat girl with a septum piercing or whatever strawman leftist they use at the time. Yet at the same time they complain how unfair it is that their beliefs are like some sort of Scarlet letter in the dating world. There's so many stupid and confusing contradictions. They act like people in traditional right wing relationships are so much happier and stable-OK so why complain that leftists don't want to gently caress you then? Why freak out about population collapse yet smugly sneer how it's leftists who are driving themselves into extinction? If they don't care then why do they worry so drat much?
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Dec 14, 2022 11:54
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Which reminds me of another funny theme with people on the right. A concept I can best describe as social Joe the Plumber syndrome. As many know, "Joe the Plumber" wasn't even a licensed plumber, nor did he own his own plumbing business at the time. His concerns were all purely hypothetical - that of the temporarily embarrassed millionaire. He didn't own a plumbing business at the time, but he might someday, and his whole argument was centered on the idea that was already a reality. Not surprisingly, I see a lot of right wing guys who are vocally against getting a vasectomy. Now ok fine, it's your body, body autonomy is about getting to choose things like whether you don't (or do) want to have children, fine whatever. But for them this idea that you are writing off the possibility of it comes off as a huge fuckin deal and like a lot of right wing things I think it's very performative. Much like how plenty of right wing women will discreetly get abortions I bet plenty of right wing guys get snipped. Now I don't have statistics on the partisan breakdowns of this choice, but the biggest cohort of of snip-ees tends to be Caucasian guys 35-50 who have been married at least once and who typically already have 2+ biological kids. So among that cohort, I'm betting there's plenty of conservative guys there. Maybe not 50-50 but a significant proportion regardless. Sadly, there's still more tubal ligations done in spite of being more invasive, costlier, and difficult to obtain compared to a vasectomy. Though even there I'm willing to bet there's plenty of conservative women getting their tubes tied-among them the types of women who define womanhood solely by the ability to reproduce. Pretty ironic.
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Dec 14, 2022 12:08
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You can just boil that down to Madonna/Where complex. Women are supposed to be chaste and pure and looking to settle down with a man and pump out his children, also how dare they not put out for me. Anyway I came here because I was reminded of another bizarre right wing media contradiction: young people. Now young people as we know are all a bunch of loose drug-addicted lgbtqiabbq woke ingrates who canceled everyone because they hate free speech and don't even know what a woman is anymore, and they're dooming Western civilization by voting Democrat. https://mobile.twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1602594691761180673 Except when they are all leaving the left because Ben Shapiro is so cool and funny and rebellious unlike the humorless left.
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Dec 14, 2022 21:00
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What is Matt Walsh’s definition of a woman? Does he even give one?
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Dec 15, 2022 00:23
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I AM GRANDO posted:What is Matt Walsh’s definition of a woman? Does he even give one? Matt Walsh is still trying to figure out what a child is because there's like a billion videos of him out there somehow talking about how nubile and fuckable 16 year old girls are and how that's the genetically and mathematically primo age they should be impregnated with children at--by older men, who reach their prime in their late 20s, according to Walsh, ergo the United States should abolish the age of consent for the genetic benefit of the human race. 
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nine-gear crow posted:Matt Walsh is still trying to figure out what a child is because there's like a billion videos of him out there somehow talking about how nubile and fuckable 16 year old girls are and how that's the genetically and mathematically primo age they should be impregnated with children at--by older men, who reach their prime in their late 20s, according to Walsh, ergo the United States should abolish the age of consent for the genetic benefit of the human race. It's wild how it's projection 100% of the time with these fuckers
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https://twitter.com/lavern_spicer/status/1603003482893701123?t=7kCVqKb5BhYOSgg-2EeWCg&s=19
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Dec 15, 2022 02:07
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VitalSigns posted:
They're filled with contradictions and seemingly immune to criticism regarding it for roughly half the country. I was listening to the news today about The Fed raising interest rates again to seemingly actually wanting to raise the unemployment rate and I wasn't sure what to think about that. I know if and when it DOES go up, then RWM will naturally blame Biden but I couldn't help but think about how often here the tired bullshit of how "NOBODY WANT TA' WORK ANYMOOORE" all the time. Then why is the UE rate at 3.7%? That's pretty low. Seems to me people are working their rear end off. Most people I know have either a good paying job, two jobs or a semi decent job with some side gigs (like me). And then, for the first time in forever, I recalled a lot of RWM listening types with ABOLISH THE FED signs and t-shirts maybe a decade ago and wondered if I agreed with them. Because, even though I know jack poo poo about economics and interest rates and what the FED is doing, it seems to me that what raising these rates is doing is, again, putting the onus on the 95% of us with little to some to no money and I wish I understood it better. How does the idea of needing to drive UP unemployment, raising people's credit card rates and making it harder to buy a home address inflation? I honestly have no idea but it's been a good long while since I've heard calls to abolish the federal reserve and I would think that this would be one time where that would be be blasted all over talk radio and poo poo.
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Dec 15, 2022 02:07
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It shrinks the money supply.
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Dec 15, 2022 02:12
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So Bernanke recently won the Nobel prize for this, but the idea is that there's a convoluted process where rising interest rates reduces demand ultimately through lowering wages. That's why you see talk about a "soft landing": can the Fed cool off the economy without inducing a recession? The basic struggle is that the inflation we are seeing isn't the result of monetary effects but a supply side issue so we're almost certainly going to see an imbalance. We do probably need higher interest rates in general, if only so that the Fed has room to maneuver in a future downturn, but not at a risk of causing a downturn (which is why rates were so low for so long post 2008). Reducing demand because supply is reduced is the only tool the Fed has, and they're the only actor willing to do anything, which is an issue in of itself. The real prescription is higher taxes which will never fly.
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Dec 15, 2022 03:08
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VitalSigns posted:You can just boil that down to Madonna/Where complex. Women are supposed to be chaste and pure and looking to settle down with a man and pump out his children, also how dare they not put out for me. Last I heard, polls show young people don't like Biden. However, aside from a very visible minority, they are so utterly repulsed by the right wing agenda, that they turned out in historic droves vote for his party, in an off year, with a lovely economy.
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I got pretty upset this morning listening to Glenn Beck, he had on an anti trans activist named Chloe Cole. I'm not that upset at her, particularly. She's a victim herself, and while I am kind of upset she's gone down this route, it's because of lovely people using her in both parts of her life. She's also still very young (18) and that's still basically a kid mentally. Her story is that growing up, she was always a tomboy and as she got older she started hanging around LGBT positive spaces online, and also mentioned being on the autism spectrum. So around 11 years old, she decided she wanted to be a boy. Her parents took her to an extremely lovely therapist, who essentially railroaded her into transitioning and misrepresented her feelings to her parents (the therapist said she would kill herself). So she went on puberty blockers and had top surgery, and then around 15 she started having regrets about transitioning and detransitioned. So yeah, the right then latched onto her as "See, this is proof liberals are forcing your kids to become trans against their will and this is why we must outlaw any support of trans kids." Like I said, I don't really blame her all that mudh. She seemed very nervous and unsure of what to say during the segment (there were lots of long pauses whenever Glenn asked her questions, and he asked a lot of leading questions). She also was definitely the victim of a lovely therapist who probably wanted to be a good ally, but wasn't actually listening to how she felt, and while they probably had good intentions (lots of trans teenagers are definitely suicidal, and that's something parents need to know) that doesn't justify lying and saying she would definitely commit suicide if she didn't transition. And now in the middle of all this regret about the past and her feelings on gender, she gets preyed upon by a bunch of hateful assholes using her as a mouthpiece to attack LGBT people.
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Dec 15, 2022 05:00
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"Young people are becoming conservative because liberals made comedy illegal" is such a dumbass Gen X thing to say. Like your conception of the young and humor is just permanently stuck in Bart Simpson pissing off the squares mode, you somehow missed that no one can afford a house or to have kids, the environment is dying and half the country thinks zombie JFK is holding court in Mar A Lago.
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Dr Christmas posted:Last I heard, polls show young people don't like Biden. However, aside from a very visible minority, they are so utterly repulsed by the right wing agenda, that they turned out in historic droves vote for his party, in an off year, with a lovely economy. Yeah, Gen Z is capable of squaring the circle in their heads that "Biden sucks, but Republicans suck even more and bad things will happen if Republicans gain power, so gently caress it, I'll vote for the Dems then." Probably a win for neuroplasticity; anybody older than 27 will short circuit when you front that binary to them
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Dec 15, 2022 05:24
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A lot of people who hosed at least once before 2022, or who had a period in 2022, will probably not forget for a long time that republicans made abortion illegal.
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Dec 15, 2022 05:26
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You definitely see confusion on the conservative side on why Biden is unpopular with the youth but that doesn't turn them conservative. Like it has to be a binary choice.
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Mantis42 posted:"Young people are becoming conservative because liberals made comedy illegal" is such a dumbass Gen X thing to say. Like your conception of the young and humor is just permanently stuck in Bart Simpson pissing off the squares mode, you somehow missed that no one can afford a house or to have kids, the environment is dying and half the country thinks zombie JFK is holding court in Mar A Lago. Also they are the squares who would be losing their poo poo about The Simpsons and Bart's disrespect for authority and fatherhood and the church if it were a popular new show today.
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