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binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

I met Wahl a number of years ago in Seattle before a CCL game, we chatted for a bit at a bar and he seemed pretty cool.

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Big Black Dick
Mar 20, 2009

Al-Saqr posted:

why would they assasinate the guy?

Because he's been extremely critical of the lead up to and totality of the tournament and they don't like that?

I'm with everyone that's said it: I don't think it was an assassination, but the fact that it plausibly could be shows how hosed up everything is.

Tortilla Maker
Dec 13, 2005
Un Desmadre A Toda Madre
From the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/12/09/grant-wahl-dies-qatar/

quote:

U.S. soccer journalist Grant Wahl dies after collapsing at World Cup match

Ben Strauss

Prominent American soccer writer Grant Wahl died Friday while covering the World Cup in Qatar, U.S. Soccer confirmed. Wahl chronicled the rise of the game for Sports Illustrated for years before moving to Substack.

Wahl attended the quarterfinal match between Argentina and the Netherlands in Lusail on Friday. He collapsed in his seat at the start of extra time. A number of reporters called for help, and paramedics arrived immediately, treating Wahl for several minutes on-site, said Washington Post reporter Steven Goff, who also was covering the match.

“The entire U.S. Soccer family is heartbroken to learn that we have lost Grant Wahl,” U.S. Soccer wrote in a statement. “Fans of soccer and journalism of the highest quality knew we could always count on Grant to deliver insightful and entertaining stories about our game, and its major protagonists: teams, players, coaches and the many personalities that make soccer unlike any sport.”

Wahl, 48, had written about some of his health issues in Qatar in the days leading up to his passing. Earlier this week, he wrote: “My body finally broke down on me. Three weeks of little sleep, high stress and lots of work can do that to you.”

He said he had a cold turn into something more serious on the night the United States played the Netherlands. “I could feel my upper chest take on a new level of pressure and discomfort,” he wrote.

In a well-covered incident at the tournament, Wahl was detained by Qatari security guards at a stadium when he arrived to a game wearing a rainbow soccer ball T-shirt. Homosexuality is illegal in Qatar. Wahl, on his Substack, wrote that security guards refused to let him in, held him for 25 minutes and demanded he remove his shirt.

In its statement, U.S. Soccer added: “Grant’s passion for soccer and commitment to elevating its profile across our sporting landscape played a major role in helping to drive interest in and respect for our beautiful game. As important, Grant’s belief in the power of the game to advance human rights was, and will remain, an inspiration to all.”

A U.S. State Department spokesman said the agency was in close communication with Wahl’s family and the officials were “engaged with senior Qatari officials to see to it that his family’s wishes are fulfilled as expeditiously as possible.”



Wahl tweeted commentary throughout Argentina’s victory Friday. His final tweet came at the end of the second half after the Netherlands tied the game. “Just an incredible designed set-piece goal by the Netherlands,” Wahl wrote.

Woodchip
Mar 28, 2010
Wahlnothingburger

Adun
Apr 15, 2001

Publicola
Fun Shoe
With the World Cup winding down feels like we should all take a step back and recognize how successful Qatar has been in achieving its goal of making sure not a single person in the world would choose to go there.

Looke
Aug 2, 2013

Woodchip posted:

Wahlnothingburger

Shrapnig
Jan 21, 2005

Woodchip posted:

Wahlnothingburger

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely
The death threats are obviously quite disturbing given the timing of his ultimately passing away, but I would associate death threats more with some lunatic walking up to him in the street and stabbing him, not a sophisticated poisoning designed by a government to silence a vocal critic and not draw any suspicion. But I can well understand where the family is if Grant told them that he was receiving death threats and thought he was in danger and then he dies a week later.

FullLeatherJacket
Dec 30, 2004

Chiunque può essere Luther Blissett, semplicemente adottando il nome Luther Blissett

Also, I suspect death threats are less phone calls in the middle of the night or Neil Lennon getting bullets posted to his house, and more random Nigerian twitter accounts posting "I keel all u bumboys, long live our lord and saviour mason greenwood" at you, and those dudes probably aren't putting out hits on people.

TDepressionEarl
Oct 28, 2010


I'm trying to win the World Cup
but I'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps playing Argentina onside


State agencies sending anonymous death threats to civil rights activists, their friends, and their families has been modus operandi since 1968. The entire point is to create an environment of stress and paranoia, where even if the activist's will is stubborn, the body never leaves fight or flight response. Their concern for their fellow man is weaponized against them.

Furthermore, a benign and functioning country would place emergency defib machines in the hallway outside the press suite of a world-class stadium, in the same way fire extinguishers are inside glass cases on walls in high-traffic areas a where a helpful passerby can take the life saving equipment to the scene to be administered by a trained professional.

Wahl's family can wait for the autopsy before creating a civil suit, but this is a workplace death. The state of Qatar is culpable even if it was not an assassination. This is exactly what we were told in the lead up to the tournament during the construction of these ghostly mausoleums: The state of Qatar does not believe a worker's life is worth a $2000 settlement, or a $1000 defibrillator.

hadji murad
Apr 18, 2006

FullLeatherJacket posted:

Also, I suspect death threats are less phone calls in the middle of the night or Neil Lennon getting bullets posted to his house, and more random Nigerian twitter accounts posting "I keel all u bumboys, long live our lord and saviour mason greenwood" at you, and those dudes probably aren't putting out hits on people.

Thanks for putting this on the Nigerians for some reason.

elbkaida
Jan 13, 2008
Look!

Backdoor Delivery posted:

when did Pepe become just Pep

Nah he just shaves his head. He grew his hear out a bit a couple years ago though.

Edit: Sorry misread

TDepressionEarl
Oct 28, 2010


I'm trying to win the World Cup
but I'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps playing Argentina onside


Tortilla Maker
Dec 13, 2005
Un Desmadre A Toda Madre
I’m sure more will come out in the following days. The Mexican reporter’s tweet posted earlier in the thread suggested that there was a delay in getting medical help to Grant (but also seemed to suggest that he was non responsive from the beginning).

The Washington Post’s article indicates that paramedics arrived promptly (even saying “immediately”).

Anyways, here’s his desk at Saturday’s event. Looks like they held a minute of silence for him prior to kick-off.

https://twitter.com/jadelreda/status/1601639983705907200?s=46&t=yUEEWaJca-Fcc2pT3TU06g

Dell_Zincht
Nov 5, 2003



He probably wasn't murdered, but they also didn't really try very hard to keep him alive either, so... *shrugs*

Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



Dell_Zincht posted:

He probably wasn't murdered, but they also didn't really try very hard to keep him alive either, so... *shrugs*

Coroner's report: "passively unalived."

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

FullLeatherJacket posted:

Also, I suspect death threats are less phone calls in the middle of the night or Neil Lennon getting bullets posted to his house, and more random Nigerian twitter accounts posting "I keel all u bumboys, long live our lord and saviour mason greenwood" at you, and those dudes probably aren't putting out hits on people.

Nigerians don't talk like this hth

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

FullLeatherJacket posted:

Also, I suspect death threats are less phone calls in the middle of the night or Neil Lennon getting bullets posted to his house, and more random Nigerian twitter accounts posting "I keel all u bumboys, long live our lord and saviour mason greenwood" at you, and those dudes probably aren't putting out hits on people.

racist

blue footed boobie
Sep 14, 2012


UEFA SUPREMACY
Today Infantino feels like a poisoned journalist.

FullLeatherJacket
Dec 30, 2004

Chiunque può essere Luther Blissett, semplicemente adottando il nome Luther Blissett

i say swears online posted:

Nigerians don't talk like this hth

my apologies if I've conflated multiple national stereotypes of the insane people who get angry at any pro-LGBTQ or anti-wifebeating post from united twitter

I'm committed to coming up with better and harder dogwhistles ityool 2023

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

congrats on being a jackass

Weaponized Cum
Aug 31, 2004


This post brought to you by the finest Miami cocaine money can buy ----->

FullLeatherJacket posted:

my apologies if I've conflated multiple national stereotypes of the insane people who get angry at any pro-LGBTQ or anti-wifebeating post from united twitter

I'm committed to coming up with better and harder dogwhistles ityool 2023

go gently caress yourself

the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009
Flj please post better that was not great

Everyone else resume your qatar qomplaints

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Not all of this is directly football related but it's all still highly relevant:

quote:

Four people charged over Qatar’s alleged bribing of EU officials
Charges come after Belgian police made six arrests and seized phones, computers and €600,000 in cash

Belgian prosecutors investigating allegations that Qatar has sought to influence EU policy by bribing European parliament officials have charged four people with money laundering, corruption and participating in a criminal organisation.

The charges, which were announced on Sunday, came two days after police arrested four people and seized computers, mobile phones and €600,000 (£515,000) in cash during searches at 16 properties across Brussels.

According to Belgium’s federal prosecutor, officers examining one of the biggest alleged corruption cases in the parliament’s recent history believe a Gulf country – identified by Belgian media as Qatar – has used bribes and gifts to try to influence decisions at the legislature.

Although the prosecutor’s office did not identify the four by name, a judicial source told Agence France-Presse that they include Eva Kaili, an MEP for the social democratic Greek Pasok party who serves as one of the parliament’s 14 vice-presidents.

The home of a second MEP was searched on Saturday evening, the prosecutor’s office said.

“It is suspected that third parties in political and/or strategic positions within the European parliament were paid large sums of money or offered substantial gifts to influence parliament’s decisions,” the office said in a statement.

“Four individuals have been arrested by the Brussels investigating judge who’s leading the investigation. They are charged with participation in a criminal organisation, money laundering and corruption. Two persons have been released by the investigating judge.”

A Qatari official denied accusations of possible misconduct and said the country worked in full compliance with international laws. He added: “Any association of the Qatari government with the reported claims is baseless and gravely misinformed.”

Kaili, a former television presenter, met Qatar’s labour minister, Ali bin Samikh Al Marri, shortly before the World Cup began last month.

In a video statement posted on Twitter by the state-run Qatar News Agency, she said: “I believe the World Cup for Arabs has been a great tool for … political transformation and reforms.”

In a subsequent speech at the European parliament she said: “Today, the World Cup in Qatar is proof … of how sports diplomacy can achieve a historical [sic] transformation of a country.”


While Kaili has been stripped of her powers as a vice-president of the parliament, which sits in Brussels and in Strasbourg, she is still an MEP and would normally enjoy immunity from criminal prosecution.

There is, however, an exception in cases where a suspect is caught red-handed committing a crime.

According to the judicial source, Belgian police detained Kaili in possession of “bags of cash”, meaning she was brought before the judge for having been caught “in flagrante delicto”, or in the act of committing an offence.

Greek media reported that Kaili’s Italian partner, Francesco Giorgi, who works as a consultant at the European parliament, had also been detained.

The scandal sent ripples through Greece where there was mounting concern the corruption probe could dent the country’s image.

Pasok’s leader, Nikos Androulakis, wasted no time expelling the EU lawmaker from his centre-left party, telling a party conference on Sunday that he would not accept “even a grain of suspicion in matters of transparency”.

An MEP himself, Androulakis took the decision to fire the former news presenter within hours of the revelations emerging on Friday. Soon after the European social democrats group also announced it was suspending the 44-year-old.

Kaili’s ties with her own party – Greece’s third-largest political force – had become increasingly strained, prompting Androulakis to describe her as a “Trojan horse” of the governing New Democracy party.

Despite representing an opposition group in the European parliament, Kaili had been publicly backed by the Greek prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, in her quest to become a vice-president.

“It is not only embarrassing for Pasok but Mitsotakis personally because he lobbied so hard for her to get the post,” said one MEP. “Kaili isn’t the only Greek [lawmaker] to make flattering remarks about Qatar.”

In April, the EU Commission’s vice-president, Margaritis Schinas, a New Democracy politician, tweeted that “short-stay visa-free travel” to member states for Qatari and Kuwaiti citizens was being proposed as a result of “the remarkable success of both governments in achieving far-reaching reforms”.

Although Schinas’ tweet was republished by the Greek media at the weekend, outlets noted there was no suggestion of impropriety on the part of the politician.

On Saturday, the president of the European parliament, Roberta Metsola, said the institution “stands firmly against corruption” and would do everything it could to “assist the course of justice”.

The socialists and democrats group in the European parliament said it was appalled by the corruption allegations and called for urgent action.

“Given the seriousness of the allegations, until the competent authorities provide relevant information and clarification, we are requesting the suspension of work on any files and plenary votes regarding the Gulf states, particularly visa liberalisation and planned visits,” the group said in a statement.

Daniel Freund, an MEP and the co-chair of the European parliament’s anti-corruption intergroup, said the allegations, if confirmed, would constitute one of the most serious corruption scandals in Brussels in recent decades.

“The current incident shows how aggressively third countries try to exert influence in the EU,” he said. “Those who do so by illegal means, or even by bribery, must be punished.”

Part of the problem, he added, was that third countries had been exempted from Brussels’s “relatively good” lobbying rules.

“Money must not buy influence in the EU,” Freund said. “The suspicion alone is intolerable. The accusations must be fully investigated. There is a threat of a loss of confidence in the European parliament, although it is actually one of the most transparent parliaments in Europe.”

Alberto Alemanno, a professor of EU law at HEC Paris, described the allegations as “the most shocking integrity scandal in the history of the EU” and said it underlined the need for reform.

Agence France-Presse and Reuters contributed to this report

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/11/qatar-alleged-bribing-eu-officials-arrests

psyer
Mar 26, 2013
https://twitter.com/Shirinj/status/1602113711023456263

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
Oh....fun....

Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



Ruh.....


Roh

Pershing
Feb 21, 2010

John "Black Jack" Pershing
Hard Fucking Core


They made their account protected...what was it?

Gigi Galli
Sep 19, 2003

and then the car turned in to fire

Pershing posted:

They made their account protected...what was it?

Related to this I imagine https://au.sports.yahoo.com/fifa-world-cup-2022-shocking-death-second-journalist-48-hours-233226001.html

quote:

The FIFA World Cup has been rocked by the death of a second journalist in just 48 hours. The Gulf Times reported on Sunday that Qatari photojournalist Khalid al-Misslam had died “suddenly”.

“Al-Misslam, a Qatari, died suddenly while covering the FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022. We believe in Allah’s mercy and forgiveness for him, and send our deepest condolences to his family," the Qatari outlet reported.

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
Yeah, it was linking to that story.

psyer
Mar 26, 2013

Pershing posted:

They made their account protected...what was it?

Yes it was the yahoo AU story that is linked.

https://twitter.com/ziplamak/status/1602129054811197440

Christe Eleison
Feb 1, 2010

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1603023251214667777?s=20&t=4pA9LlSS86I2Ax222HL53w

Shrapnig
Jan 21, 2005


vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
not surprising and I'm pretty sure that a ruptured aortic aneurysm is pretty close to guaranteed death unless it happens in an operating room or something

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
Yeah, nothing short of there being an OR at the stadium would've saved him unfortunately. Pretty much a death sentence...unless you're a member of Judas Priest.

And in trying to find any updates regarding Al-Misslam I found that an ITV director died during the group stage :wtc:

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

His wife also said he probably would have died instantly without feeling anything. He didn’t suffer. That’s nice.

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
Oh and a security guard fell to his death at a stadium.

jfc

Zoran
Aug 19, 2008

I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!

Vegetable posted:

His wife also said he probably would have died instantly without feeling anything. He didn’t suffer. That’s nice.

My grandfather went the same way a few years ago. Was eating dinner with my grandmother, aorta blew out, dead in seconds. Good way to go imo

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
Qatar isn't allowing Morocco fans to fly in for the semi final.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/14/morocco-airline-cancels-world-cup-fans-flights-citing-qatar-restrictions.html

quote:

Royal Air Maroc cancelled Qatar Airways-operated flights intended to carry Morocco fans to the World Cup semi-final against France in Doha.

RAM said it followed “the latest restrictions imposed by the Qatari authorities.”

Fans who had already booked match tickets or hotel rooms have been left unable to travel, though RAM said it would reimburse air tickets.

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goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
Now they can sell those tickets again to more deserving, wealthier people. No refunds.

Final tickets sold: 10,000 more than the stadium seats.

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