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Acebuckeye13 posted:The thing about Coughlin isn't just that he has two Superbowls - it's that he's the only coach other than Bill Belichick to even have multiple championship wins in the last twenty years. How many even have multiple conference championship wins this century? Belichick and Coughlin, Carroll and McVay, Reid, Tomlin? Edit: forgot John Fox because they were a decade apart
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Every fan of every team should heed this advice for Pete’s sake! Good thing as an Eagles fan this just so happens to be reality 
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Forrest on Fire posted:Because the owner is a shithead. My pie in the sky dream is just give the team to Sean Payton and hope another HoF QB wants to retire from snowy weather. Joe Flacco?
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Allbright has been on a bit over the past week or two about Sean Payton looking for a LA based gig and not necessary with the Chargers especially if they make the playoffs. McVay chasing studio money would be an interesting wrinkle to the off-season. https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1602845899469848577
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McDaniels still has a job??? *flips backwards in chair and legs stick up*
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Kinda funny of the worst 7, 5 have rings and one is a superbowl favorite this year.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Allbright has been on a bit over the past week or two about Sean Payton looking for a LA based gig and not necessary with the Chargers especially if they make the playoffs. I’m not sure you can say Carolina is obvious anymore.
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Definitely. Tepper aside Willis has to get a reasonable chance to keep the gig.
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Dr_Strangelove posted:*second season the beginning and end of Coughlin's HoF case, like Eli's, is that he beat Belichick/Brady twice. that's all you need. his time with the Jags doesn't matter, it doesn't matter if Eli was actually good (he wasn't), and it shouldn't. it's the hall of fame not the hall of inarguably surpasses some statistical threshold. for example, Gale Sayers FizFashizzle posted:I’m not sure you can say Carolina is obvious anymore. I think Wilks will deffo get the job if he wins two more (Saints should be a freebie)
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I actually think Wilks is loving excellent as a coach. Just get some poo poo wrecker of an OC who can develop a QB.
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Lol Ben Mcadoo gonna get a young qb to mold
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Lol Ben Mcadoo gonna get a young qb to mold McAdoodoo
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Ornery and Hornery posted:McDaniels still has a job??? We have an incredibly stupid owner who only really cares about bowl cuts, PF Changs and Hooters.
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Black Sunshine posted:We have an incredibly stupid owner who only really cares about bowl cuts, PF Changs and Hooters. Also notoriously cash poor. McDaniels gets a few more years unfortunately
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FizFashizzle posted:I’m not sure you can say Carolina is obvious anymore. Promotion from interim HC to HC is still technically new
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Diva Cupcake posted:Allbright has been on a bit over the past week or two about Sean Payton looking for a LA based gig and not necessary with the Chargers especially if they make the playoffs. I really doubt McVay is calling it quits right now, he signed a big contract extension that takes him to 2026 that made him the highest/second highest paid coach in the league. Floating the Amazon stuff in the media was his agents way of getting that money. I think he puts in at least 2 more years and then all bets are off after that.
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Breer on the Wilks job. quote:From Greg (@panther1gb89): Does Wilks keep the HC job in Carolina? If not, who does Tepper go after?
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it's been going for like 3 years so what was the thing that started people saying mcvay is going to retire young or take time off to do tv? was it because an offer got leaked?
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If I were an owner I would try really hard to hire the next Bill Belichick, but failing that I would still be real happy with the next Mike Tomlin. Even getting the next John Harbaugh would be a real solid result. Heck, getting the next Pete Carroll wouldn't be the end of the world.
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Simplex posted:If I were an owner I would try really hard to hire the next Bill Belichick, but failing that I would still be real happy with the next Mike Tomlin. Even getting the next John Harbaugh would be a real solid result. Heck, getting the next Pete Carroll wouldn't be the end of the world. Sorry, best I can do is Mike McCarthy. The next Mike McCarthy, you ask? No. The same Mike McCarthy.
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Simplex posted:If I were an owner I would try really hard to hire the next Bill Belichick, but failing that I would still be real happy with the next Mike Tomlin. Even getting the next John Harbaugh would be a real solid result. Heck, getting the next Pete Carroll wouldn't be the end of the world. Too bad the next Bill Belichick is already locked up running the Pats' defense! Biding his time until he can take over from dear old dad. (  )
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If i just copy everything dad does surely I’ll succeed!!!
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Amy Pole Her posted:If i just copy everything dad does surely I’ll succeed!!! Quote attributable to: Joe Judge Jim Schwartz Matt Patricia Romeo Crennel Eric Mangini Josh Mcdaniels Brian Flores Bill O'Brien Steve Belichick(pending)
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you think all those pats coaches ever realize that bill being a miserable rear end in a top hat is not the reason he's successful and in fact is a bad thing where if he didn't have the weight of his record behind him it might cause him a lot of trouble? like im not sure rear end in a top hat bill in his current form could suddenly start coaching in the modern era and get a long enough leash to build up a good record.
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And also him being an rear end in a top hat is more of a public persona to spite the media. I mean, he's still an rear end in a top hat, but to the players he's more of a lovable rear end in a top hat that tries to bring the best from them, as opposed to the idiot assholes in Belicheck's tree who don't understand the level of nuance it takes to be a successful rear end in a top hat rather than a regular garbage rear end in a top hat.
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Mega64 posted:And also him being an rear end in a top hat is more of a public persona to spite the media. I mean, he's still an rear end in a top hat, but to the players he's more of a lovable rear end in a top hat that tries to bring the best from them, as opposed to the idiot assholes in Belicheck's tree who don't understand the level of nuance it takes to be a successful rear end in a top hat rather than a regular garbage rear end in a top hat. It's a great reminder of how stupid most NFL coaches are in general.
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It's amazing that Bill O'Brien is the most successful branch of the coaching tree and even his tenure with the Texans is considered a disaster (mostly for personnel reasons)
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Mega64 posted:And also him being an rear end in a top hat is more of a public persona to spite the media. I mean, he's still an rear end in a top hat, but to the players he's more of a lovable rear end in a top hat that tries to bring the best from them, as opposed to the idiot assholes in Belicheck's tree who don't understand the level of nuance it takes to be a successful rear end in a top hat rather than a regular garbage rear end in a top hat. Eh too much smoke from former Pats players that he's an rear end in a top hat that rubs folks the wrong way. But he's also the winningest coach ever so.. he can do what he wants. Brady succeeding multitudes better than Bill has since the split really helps the argument that his level of bullshit wouldn't cut it tho
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Amy Pole Her posted:Eh too much smoke from former Pats players that he's an rear end in a top hat that rubs folks the wrong way. But he's also the winningest coach ever so.. he can do what he wants. Brady succeeding multitudes better than Bill has since the split really helps the argument that his level of bullshit wouldn't cut it tho Brady succeeding with a much fresher team and a really good coach did a lot to play to him doing so well and his recent woes have shown there is a definite limit for him as well.
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At the risk of wading into a big debate that I have literally no stake or rooting interest in, it seems to me that Brady leaving for the Bucs and succeeding while the Pats have languished without him doesn't really say much about Belichick himself, just that it's virtually impossible for a team to excel without a decent quarterback. As I see it, a good coach raises a bad roster's ceiling somewhat, while a good quarterback significantly raises a bad roster's floor. That is, maybe this year's Bucs are about as bad as a team with Tom Brady could be, and maybe the Pats are currently about as good as a team without a real quarterback could be. I mean, compare the Pats to the Broncos to see what a difference coaching can make. Would anyone say the Pats have a better roster, really?
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was Romeo Crennel a real Belichick Way kinda guy? I thought he had a reputation for being one of the nicer coaches
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Hunt11 posted:Brady succeeding with a much fresher team and a really good coach did a lot to play to him doing so well and his recent woes have shown there is a definite limit for him as well. He also got very old and divorced. When all factors were the same Brady succeeded and BIll didn't. Bill sucks. I will always say this
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Cognac McCarthy posted:At the risk of wading into a big debate that I have literally no stake or rooting interest in, it seems to me that Brady leaving for the Bucs and succeeding while the Pats have languished without him doesn't really say much about Belichick himself, just that it's virtually impossible for a team to excel without a decent quarterback. that doesn't let you be smug on the internet or on tv though. please reconsider
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Brady carpet bagged a stacked team in a decaying division, and brought the refs with him. Meanwhile belichick has had to deal with the bills and the now resurgent dolphins and jets.
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Its not like they started from scratch. Bill already had his system setup and his decisions have been head scratching to say the least. He let the rest of the AFCE catch up - just got lazy because he had Brady carrying him
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This year was a whiff by Belichick and even then he's completely rebuilt the defense into something pretty drat good when virtually everyone was saying they had probably the worst secondary in the league in the offseason. 2020 the team got smoked by Covid, it was an old roster and aside from Brady, like a half dozen starters decided to sit out the year due to the plague. And even then he took a broken Cam Newton and finished 7-9. Then last year he took a rookie QB who y'all think is trash and had him playing like an average starter and took a really, really flawed roster to the playoffs.
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bill would probably succeed just fine starting his career now at this level of rear end in a top hat as long as he had a good gm and a reasonably good team. as with late career brady, the thing everybody seems to forget about belichick is: he's a very good football coach, especially on defense. he is good at figuring out schematic advantages; he is good at figuring out how to best take advantage of his players' talents; he is good at coaching up those players to play to those talents. this is not perfect because, you know, the other side gets paid too, and also because his skill at being a gm has really taken a nosedive. part of the reason those other guys don't succeed while being an rear end in a top hat is because they haven't won enough to put up with it, but also because they are not winning enough to put up with it, because they are not as good at coaching nfl football as bill belichick, because he is very good at it
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Kalli posted:This year was a whiff by Belichick and even then he's completely rebuilt the defense into something pretty drat good when virtually everyone was saying they had probably the worst secondary in the league in the offseason. Yeah but he didn't make it to the conference round in any of those years. So, failure!
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