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Podima posted:These two games are awesome, and both have online versions too! I found an online version of Hanamikoji on Happy Meeple but I can't find Watergate?
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Spikes32 posted:Are there any good two player games not listed in the op? I picked up The Field of the Cloth of Gold by Hollandspiele in the black Friday sales and it's really good, very simple but very agonising choices.
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Spikes32 posted:Are there any good two player games not listed in the op? Lately I've been enjoying: Splendor Duel Caesar! Seize Rome in twenty minutes!
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Spikes32 posted:Are there any good two player games not listed in the op? Twilight Struggle. Also been really enjoying Memoir '44 recently.
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quote:two player games not in OP Sekigahara is dope. Throw on some traditional Japanese drumming music and let the theme and great gameplay just wash over you. That said, if it's anything for you like what it was for me you've never played anything like it and will take a bit of time to figure out EXTREME BLOCK WARFARE but I'll invoke the most infamous phrase in our gaming circle: It's Honestly Not That Complicated Once You Wrap Your Head Around It.
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Undaunted: Normandy is great 2p game, as is Targi.
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Magnetic North posted:I found an online version of Hanamikoji on Happy Meeple but I can't find Watergate? It looks like it's just in alpha at the moment (my bad) but will be coming to BGA at some point: https://twitter.com/plumpythimble/status/1601694547083661312?s=46&t=SG70CJvcoQpa0JPIjGWzUw
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Thanks for all the suggestions, looking at them all now
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Podima posted:It looks like it's just in alpha at the moment (my bad) but will be coming to BGA at some point: https://twitter.com/plumpythimble/status/1601694547083661312?s=46&t=SG70CJvcoQpa0JPIjGWzUw It's in alpha since last year at the very least.
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Muir posted:I like Terraforming Mars but I might be the only one the thread. Ark Nova has also been popular recently. Terraforming Mars is great.
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Spikes32 posted:Are there any good two player games not listed in the op? To go the traditional board game route, Cribbage and Backgammon are both great and fast to play. Horrified is a coop game that plays great at two, especially if your playing with someone who is not into heavier games. Speaking of Watergate, I just found out there was a promo pack it called "A Change in History." It's just two cards, one for each player, that can be used to make the game easier for new players: https://boardgamegeek.com/image/6774765/watergate-change-history The cards don't go in the decks so you can easily homebrew it.
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Podima posted:It looks like it's just in alpha at the moment (my bad) but will be coming to BGA at some point: https://twitter.com/plumpythimble/status/1601694547083661312?s=46&t=SG70CJvcoQpa0JPIjGWzUw It’s such a simple game, maybe it will skip beta and be available this month with all the other releases? https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28093
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Can anyone who has played Oathsworn or Dungeon Universalis comment on the quality of game play? I don’t have any dungeon crawlers, gloom was a bust for us, and would like to try another.
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Ropes4u posted:Can anyone who has played Oathsworn or Dungeon Universalis comment on the quality of game play? I don’t have any dungeon crawlers, gloom was a bust for us, and would like to try another. My friend who is deep down the rabbit hole of dungeon crawlers adores Oathsworn.
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Spikes32 posted:Are there any good two player games not listed in the op? Fields of Arle is one of my favorite games
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Any convention goers get to try Rise & Fall or Revive? Word of mouth on both has been quite good.
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This is technically more fighting game related than board game related but I just wanted to state for the record, gently caress David Sirlin.
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Glagha posted:This is technically more fighting game related than board game related but I just wanted to state for the record, gently caress David Sirlin. That's been a tenet of these threads since before I was posting in TG. Did he do something specific recently?
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Magnetic North posted:That's been a tenet of these threads since before I was posting in TG. Did he do something specific recently? He got anticipated turn-based fighting game Yomi Hustle pulled off of steam on a copyright violation. They're needing to change the name, even though Yomi is literally a word. Also a really interesting thing to pull after being "inspired" by that Dominion chip mod for Puzzle Strike.
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Glagha posted:He got anticipated turn-based fighting game Yomi Hustle pulled off of steam on a copyright violation. They're needing to change the name, even though Yomi is literally a word. Also a really interesting thing to pull after being "inspired" by that Dominion chip mod for Puzzle Strike. Copyright? That seems odd. Sounds more like trademark to me as a non-lawyer, a layman, and history's greatest idiot. And yeah, this all sounds especially droll coming from a repeat offender IP thief.
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Could also be trademark, I'll be real that I am speaking as a person who only vaguely understands the distinction.
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Glagha posted:Could also be trademark, I'll be real that I am speaking as a person who only vaguely understands the distinction. It's trademark. Probably oversimplifying: think of trademark as the brand (including the name), and copyright as the content. "Harry Potter" is trademarked; the text of the books and video/audio of the movies is copyrighted. Trademark is there so that you can't legally stamp "Magic: The Gathering" on cards of your own design and sell them; people might believe your awful cards are real, and stop buying WotC's (or they might believe yours are amazing, and stop buying WotC's). Copyright is there so that you can't legally take scans of your MtG cards and stamp "Glagha: The Gamefying" on the package and sell them.
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Yeah, if I want to make a game that is MtG but plays faster, I can rip off Wizards' mechanics all day long. They can't stop me if I don't copy their wording (and stay away from anything they may have patented.) But if I call it Magic Express or Fast Magic, I'm going to get owned because of trademark, even though magic is "just a word," and a much more common word in the US than "yomi." I can also get taken to court for copying their trade dress, which is where Sirlin could probably/maybe have gotten in trouble himself before with puzzle strike. Assuming you accept our society's IP regime at all, I don't see any problem with him forcing a game with a similar theme to his to not also have a similar name - that's what trademark is ostensibly for: avoiding confusion in the marketplace. You're free to say that the way we handle IP is philosophically bullshit and mainly designed to protect the Disneys of the world and I don't think you'll get much argument.
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Jimbozig posted:Yeah, if I want to make a game that is MtG but plays faster, I can rip off Wizards' mechanics all day long. They can't stop me if I don't copy their wording (and stay away from anything they may have patented.) Remember that Cryptozooic got sued into the ground because Hex was too blatant a ripoff of Magic.
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Yeah, the issue is that Yomi Hustle is a game that looks like this:  Compared to his card game. I feel like the aesthetics are so different that I just don't think Yomi as a fighting game term is something you can just claim forever. Like the existence of Magic: The Gathering has not prevented games like Magic Maze or any other number of games with Magic in the title from existing but because someone has Yomi you can't have Yomi Hustle. There's even plenty of other video games with Yomi in the title, but I guess this one is also fighting game adjacent. Like, I get why he's got legal ground to stand on, but it's still horseshit. Whatever, they went ahead and changed the name to Your Only Move Is Hustle so what's done is done
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Some Numbers posted:Remember that Cryptozooic got sued into the ground because Hex was too blatant a ripoff of Magic. Sure, all of this is subject to the usual caveats about the legal system that anyone can try to sue you for anything, regardless of merit. And if they have buckets of money and lawyers on staff and you don't, then you are probably screwed regardless of right. If you both have buckets and staff, then your lawyers get to write letters at each other for a while and then you settle. (Cryptozoic and Wizards settled.)
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The other thing to keep in mind is (as far as I understand, I am not a lawyer and I am not your lawyer) copyright is automatic but trademarks must be defended. So, if they have a Yomi trademark, if they don't defend it, they could risk losing it when they do elect to defend it. But all that being said, a wise person once said: Glagha posted:gently caress David Sirlin.
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Has anyone bought Blood on the Clocktower recently? I ordered in September, they had a facebook post about the new shipment arriving to them on November 21 and said copies would be in peoples' hands a couple weeks after that, but I haven't even gotten a shipping notice yet.Glagha posted:Your Only Move Is Hustle that's adorable
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Glagha posted:Yeah, the issue is that Yomi Hustle is a game that looks like this: How the game play looks isn't really relevant at all. Trademark is not so granular as to care about different genres of video games. If you have a trademark for a computer game called Siege Master and it's a first-person shooter and you've trademarked the name, I can't sell a computer game called Siege Master even if it's a castle sim. You can use TESS, the trademark search system of the USPTO, to look up trademarks by word or phrase. I found 19 trademarks (alive and dead) containing the word "Yomi". Here's the first one I clicked, which happened to be (one of) Sirlin's:  As you can see, the trademark covers video games, in several formats, and it references an earlier trademark for board and card games. It does not talk about genre, look & feel, etc. Nobody else can legally sell a computer game called Yomi, in America, while this trademark is live. As jimbozig says, you may feel this is too broad, or that trademarks are bullshit, and most folks here wouldn't argue that this system works great and is totally fair; but Sirlin has a responsibility to defend this trademark or risk losing it, and this is true of every company that holds a trademark. You could expect any company selling a game with a given brand to aggressively protect that brand as a matter of course, so Sirlin is not special in this regard at all. If you're making a game to sell, you should always be using a trademark search to find a trade name nobody else has a trademark on, and of course, register your own trademark before you start marketing your game. Doing anything else in the current litigious environment is foolhardy. e. You said there's other games with Yomi in the title. I think they're also at risk of a trademark claim, and it's basically up to the trademark owner to decide who to go after to defend their mark. Those other game makers might have had their lawyers contact Sirlin Games and establish an agreement that both parties were comfortable with before selling, or they may just be taking a big risk, I don't know. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Dec 14, 2022 |
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Glagha posted:Yeah, the issue is that Yomi Hustle is a game that looks like this: I will say that while all of this is true, when someone told me about Yomi Hustle and said it was a fighting game, I did immediately assume it was based on Sirlin's Yomi.
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Fantasy dildo makers Bad Dragon are notorious for going after anyone the owner perceives as competition and trademarking common terms so it's also not like this kind of behaviour is limited to any particular set of industries or anything 
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The Eyes Have It posted:Fantasy dildo makers Bad Dragon are notorious for going after anyone the owner perceives as competition and trademarking common terms so it's also not like this kind of behaviour is limited to any particular set of industries or anything Fantasy dildo? Gotta draft the perfect team of dildos, and then somehow earn points to compare to the other people in your fantasy dildo league.
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Some Numbers posted:Remember that Cryptozooic got sued into the ground because Hex was too blatant a ripoff of Magic. The suit against Cryptozooic was based on WotC's patent, not trademark or copyright. As we've previously discussed in this thread, that angle of intellectual property coverage for tabletop games is basically a thing of the past, so this example isn't really relevant to contemporary game makers.
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Chainclaw posted:...and then somehow earn points... Oh I think we know how they're going to earn points
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Muir posted:The suit against Cryptozooic was based on WotC's patent, not trademark or copyright. And as I recall, they weren't sued into the ground. They just delayed the release of Hex until the Magic patents expired a year or so later.
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Some Numbers posted:I will say that while all of this is true, when someone told me about Yomi Hustle and said it was a fighting game, I did immediately assume it was based on Sirlin's Yomi. Really? But, he called it that based off of an existing fightgame term? To me, it's weird that he has any claim whatsoever, since I know the term yomi really well, from fightgames of old... I mean especially this moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri-00IYp9-U from 16 years ago?
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There are much goofier and more brazen patent trolls out there. It's a small industry to own a bunch of patents, comb industry announcements for someone unknowingly using one of the common phrases you own, and then ruthlessly go after them. Look at Atari - they aren't ever going to make a game again, but god help you if you start invading any space. I think someone owns the use of the word "edge" with regards to videogames.
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Mr. Squishy posted:There are much goofier and more brazen patent trolls out there. It's a small industry to own a bunch of patents, comb industry announcements for someone unknowingly using one of the common phrases you own, and then ruthlessly go after them. Look at Atari - they aren't ever going to make a game again, but god help you if you start invading any space. I think someone owns the use of the word "edge" with regards to videogames. That's a super interesting one, because, who even the gently caress 'is' Atari? It's not been an actual company for years, and it's just a legal claim.
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Mr. Squishy posted:There are much goofier and more brazen patent trolls out there. It's a small industry to own a bunch of patents, comb industry announcements for someone unknowingly using one of the common phrases you own, and then ruthlessly go after them. Look at Atari - they aren't ever going to make a game again, but god help you if you start invading any space. I think someone owns the use of the word "edge" with regards to videogames. The new Atari anthology that just came out a few weeks ago is super cool and really well done, and does have some new games in it too.
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