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StrixNebulosa posted:https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7eq5y/this-land-is-my-land-wants-to-sell-an-indigenous-revenge-fantasy-but-without-any-indigenous-input That is certainly a big yikes. I mean, totally unsurprising though. I actually wasn't familiar with the game, but as soon as I read that initial description I was thinking "well, that sounds like a game that would be super problematic if it wasn't done very carefully and with sensitivity." This is my surprised face that it was not handled carefully and with sensitivity.
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Is Chernobylite any good? it's 42% off on GOG right now. Does it count as a survival game?
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redreader posted:Is Chernobylite any good? it's 42% off on GOG right now. Does it count as a survival game? Yes and not really. e: It has survival elements but I wouldn't call it a survival game.
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How is Project Zomboid as a survival game? I mean, outside of the surviving against zombies premise, is there a decent survival against the elements game there as well? Could you turn off the zombies and have a fun peaceful challenge?
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Deketh posted:How is Project Zomboid as a survival game? I mean, outside of the surviving against zombies premise, is there a decent survival against the elements game there as well? Could you turn off the zombies and have a fun peaceful challenge? You could, yes, though you might want to use the custom scenario to put your start date more September/October or use one of the starting scenarios that's about forever winter or something. The problem is that vanilla Zomboid frequently towards the mid to late game - when the character becomes combat capable - runs out of reasons for you to need to fear or worry about leaving your safehouse. You've got a good farm, you've got a store of food; why risk it? What things would you do if there was no enemy bashing down your door and you've got a farm going? What is the goal of the game; to survive to a date, to see all the sights? You could have an interesting go of putting loot lower than even default such that you need to travel far and wide to get anything done, which then has you planning trips based on amount of food that'll stay good while you're out, rain and its effects on the character (getting sick), that sort of thing. B42 (next major update) they're going into the farming system and changing things and possibly a new animal rearing system that is more in-depth, so if you're looking for just a survival game without the zombies, I'd personally wait to see how that shakes out. As it stands, farming is... odd though not off-putting. I like adding mods that allow things like food drying for food preservation as the vanilla food preservation methods are pretty lacking.
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Deketh posted:How is Project Zomboid as a survival game? I mean, outside of the surviving against zombies premise, is there a decent survival against the elements game there as well? Could you turn off the zombies and have a fun peaceful challenge? It would be extremely boring. There's a lot of parts to surviving but they're all balanced against going outside to find resources being dangerous due to the zombies. You'd basically end up combing the map for canned beans and dirt til you made a sustainable farm and then wandering in circles til your character went insane out of boredom.
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Deketh posted:How is Project Zomboid as a survival game? I mean, outside of the surviving against zombies premise, is there a decent survival against the elements game there as well? Could you turn off the zombies and have a fun peaceful challenge? Aside from surviving zombies, it's not too challenging from an environmental aspect. Things get cold in the winter, but it's not hard to survive with basic clothing and shelter. Currently, crops will grow anywhere at any time as long as there is water but that is supposed to change in the near future where crops will grow better during specific times of the year. Fishing has a very heavy penalty during winter but there isn't any ice formation or anything like that. PZ is great for how customizable it is and map size and you could definitely do a zombie-less run, super low (.1x) population with long respawns, all the way up to 16x population (~2 million zombies) with no respawn. With the right mods, you can add in new clothes, vehicles, music, and even dancing as well. We've got a thread out there for PZ, even if it's been really quiet lately: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4011483
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Alright cool, thanks to you all. Not what I was hoping for but I'll keep an eye on its development and see what mods are adding and lurk in the thread for a bit
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Deketh posted:How is Project Zomboid as a survival game? I mean, outside of the surviving against zombies premise, is there a decent survival against the elements game there as well? Could you turn off the zombies and have a fun peaceful challenge? Yeah I don't think you'd be able to turn off zombies for a fun peaceful challenge other than making food extremely scarce or something. I guess depends on your ideal survival game. It's definitely not focused on survival where your main enemy is "the elements" like The Long Dark, Green Hell or Stranded Deep but it does have a lot of simulated survival elements. It simulates weight gain/loss, boredom (read books/eat interesting food to balance), stress (if you have the 'smoker' trait you get stressed when going to long without a cigarette) and basic medical system (cuts, lacerations, levels of bleeding, need to disinfect bandages, fractures, combining/cooking ingredients, foraging, trapping, fishing, weather (cold/heat/wet etc.). The survival mechanics are probably the most in-depth I can think of when it comes to any similar game like 7 Days to Die, DayZ or The Forest, but much like those games, while you definitely need to focus on survival, the main threats still come from some sort of entities (zombies whatever) in-game along with survival pressures, but not survival pressures alone like TLD, Green Hell etc. It's got a big modding community though so maybe there's some that up the survival factor (there's the Cryogenic Winter mod that makes it extremely cold for example) but not sure if any outright take out zombies.
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Lemony posted:To add to the giant pile of words I've already written on TLD, here are some things that don't appear to be intended to be in the DLC and that I'm also astonished are not already part of the game: so like what would be the challenge in this hypothetical re-work of TLD? its not really a difficult game, even on interloper
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Verviticus posted:so like what would be the challenge in this hypothetical re-work of TLD? its not really a difficult game, even on interloper Most of my hypothetical wish list really isn't aimed at making the game more difficult, or easier. One of the problems I find with many attempts to increase difficulty in a survival game is that the usual method is to just introduce more grindy bullshit in the name of "realism". I'm a big believer in trying to design systems that are fun/engaging and also give the feeling of realism. Or at least of plausibility within the fictional world that is being presented. I don't have any huge concerns about the difficulty as it stands. It's easy once you know what to do and so long as you are careful, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. It's just rewarding player skill and experience. I think adding optional challenges and fun content to see is more important. More things to interact with, more things to see, more things to do. That being said, if I was aiming for making the game more difficult I'd probably focus on the weather ramping up in severity and duration. As it stands, one of the big ways the game handles the weather being worse at higher difficulties is by just making the weather more random and erratic. Lots more sudden storms popping up and so on. I would much rather see an approach to storms like I laid out before. Make the big storms more predictable, lots of indicators that one is coming in a day or so. Then make them big fuckoff monster storms. I'm talking whiteout conditions for multiple days. As you progress a survival game, make the storm temperatures drop drastically, make them include ice and hail that cause increased condition loss. Make it so that you really need to worry about stocking up on supplies, because you won't easily be able to go out to look for more until the weather clears. Then arrange it so that you need to use up more supplies, like firewood, to actually make it comfortably through the next storm. This actually reminds me of something else I'd like to see changed: animals shouldn't be wandering around like normal during storms. I think it would be interesting if they all took shelter during bad weather. Either despawn them, or have ones like bears head back to their lairs. It would make bad weather have an interesting dichotomy. Do you travel in the storm because you don't need to worry about wolves, or are you concerned about freezing or damaging your gear. I think that would also work well with gear progression as well, better gear gets rewarded with the ability to traverse storms better. Oh, and I also think that moose hide cloaks should be tagged to the accessory slot, rather than the torso. Right now there is exactly one optimal choice for your accessory slots. You put a moose hide bag in the outside one, then a set of ear flaps in the other (that way the bag takes the majority of condition damage, protecting the fragile ear flaps. Plus the bag is easier to repair and can soak a ton of damage). I'd really like to see more choices there. If scarves aren't going to get their own slot (which they should in my opinion) I think they should also go in the accessory slots.
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Regarding Zomboid, I've not played it all that long total but I can't wrap my head around how zombie clearing or spawning works. I got used to games like Cataclysm, where you could secure a city block by methodically clearing out the houses, yards, and surrounding wilderness with a several day sweep, and then there'd basically be no zombies except the rare straggler or two wandering in from the edges. But in Zomboid, I'll kill all the zombies an area, step away for a minute, and when I come back there's an entire new zombie population there. Individual zombies don't get tracked, right? Because it feels like they're spawning back in on areas that I completely cleared out, and it's frustrating to get mobbed by a small horde that couldn't possibly have gotten to where they are.
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Vib Rib posted:Regarding Zomboid, I've not played it all that long total but I can't wrap my head around how zombie clearing or spawning works. I got used to games like Cataclysm, where you could secure a city block by methodically clearing out the houses, yards, and surrounding wilderness with a several day sweep, and then there'd basically be no zombies except the rare straggler or two wandering in from the edges. But in Zomboid, I'll kill all the zombies an area, step away for a minute, and when I come back there's an entire new zombie population there. Individual zombies don't get tracked, right? Because it feels like they're spawning back in on areas that I completely cleared out, and it's frustrating to get mobbed by a small horde that couldn't possibly have gotten to where they are. I’ve always wondered this too, because my ideal zomboid settings would be something like “you can permanently secure a very small area - you can make less treacherous a larger one - you can very temporarily secure a large area.” I like the idea of strategically pulling hordes away or carefully clearing out patches that I can explore more freely. If I clear out my home area, it should stay relatively clear and fill in from my “borders” with new zombies. If I’m making treks to a nearby town and clearing that, I should be able to feel like I’ve had some effect if I dutifully worked to pull and clear zombies out of a corner of it. If I don’t return for some time, it should fill back in. I think at some point I had sort of tuned in these settings but I’m not sure I played + observed carefully long enough to really say if I was happy with the settings I had. Ultimately it was maybe moot because if I survived long enough for that level of zombie thinning/returning to matter the game was approaching pretty boring anyway, per the usual mid/late game “solved survival” slump.
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You can turn off respawns in the game rules when you're setting up which will get rid of the actual magic respawns After that you've got what cromulent archer refers to as "zombie pressure". Zombies will spread to fill areas based on relative populations, i.e. if grid A has 200 zombies and you just killed all 200 in grid B, 100 zombies will shuffle as fast as their rotting legs will carry them to refill B. The more area you clear the slower that trickle will get. With respawns off you can also fully seal off an area with parked cars or tvs or other indestructible things and live in safety
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I wonder if a survival game in the vein of I Am Legend would be cool. Fully safe days to build and explore, vampire-like entities occupying houses as nests that need to be cleared out to make an area safer/ways to modify buildings to make them bad nesting sites. You'd have to make night time exceptionally dangerous to compensate, of course.
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Isn't that basically 7 days to die with horde frequency increased
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Spanish Matlock posted:I wonder if a survival game in the vein of I Am Legend would be cool. Fully safe days to build and explore, vampire-like entities occupying houses as nests that need to be cleared out to make an area safer/ways to modify buildings to make them bad nesting sites. You'd have to make night time exceptionally dangerous to compensate, of course. Even if it's just a really simple change to the cycle of safe/dangerous periods, it could make for a lot of interesting gameplay changes. How about a game where the sunlight burns and you can only safely go out at night, and day excursions are really risky and require special equipment? Or a game set by a flooded metropolis, where you scavenge all the waterlogged remnants you can on the soggy streets before the tide comes back in? Even basic genre turns like a more high fantasy/medieval fantasy survival game are all but ignored, it feels like. Vib Rib fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Dec 14, 2022 |
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Oh ya I would love a post collapse or wartime siege urban survival game. Like a 3D version of This War of Mine where you're not making stuff from scratch but rather cobbling together scavenged stuff. And when you're out looting you have to avoid significantly over powered military and militias (i.e. designed to be way too hard to engage). Hell, just remake This War of Mine in 3D or isometric/whatever and make it an open persistent world.p
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Oysters Autobio posted:Oh ya I would love a post collapse or wartime siege urban survival game. Like a 3D version of This War of Mine
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Spanish Matlock posted:I wonder if a survival game in the vein of I Am Legend would be cool. Fully safe days to build and explore, vampire-like entities occupying houses as nests that need to be cleared out to make an area safer/ways to modify buildings to make them bad nesting sites. You'd have to make night time exceptionally dangerous to compensate, of course. Days Gone plays like this, but it is not a survival or building game. Worth picking up on the cheap though. There are tons of smaller infestations that are basically just a nest full of zombies to kill. You can hit them at night to have fewer zombies at home or go during the day and the nest will be more dangerous but the overland travel to get there is safer. Then there are giant hordes of zombies that roam the map, with an actual schedule where they go get water, then feed, then go home to sleep every day. Killing them can get pretty intense.
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Zomboid’s zombie respawn is based on a “cell,” a grid system on the map. You can change the time taken from the last time a player went in that cell that a zombie can spawn. I think base level is two days. You can also change the amount of respawn if maximum population that’s allowed per respawn. You can even toggle whether they get the urge to migrate to empty cells.
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HelloSailorSign posted:Zomboid’s zombie respawn is based on a “cell,” a grid system on the map. You can change the time taken from the last time a player went in that cell that a zombie can spawn. I think base level is two days. You can also change the amount of respawn if maximum population that’s allowed per respawn. You can even toggle whether they get the urge to migrate to empty cells.
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Vib Rib posted:It's cool that this is as tweakable as you say but personally I don't think it's intuitive, or that it translates well to actual gameplay, especially if you don't know it in advance. Oh it's not intuitive at all, I had to look up and consider things awhile before it clicked. I also played a decent amount of standard setting before discovering the interesting granularity of custom sandbox and thus haven't gone back.
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Nyaa posted:Had you heard of Siege Survival: Gloria Victis? +1 on this, it's pretty much This War Of Mine in a castle that is under siege, with you sneaking out during the night to get supplies and then building/repairing/trying not to get catapaulted during the day. It's a lot lighter of tone, def not a compedy game but not TWOM's very strong tone.
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HelloSailorSign posted:Oh it's not intuitive at all, I had to look up and consider things awhile before it clicked. I also played a decent amount of standard setting before discovering the interesting granularity of custom sandbox and thus haven't gone back. It’s worth bringing up that after you create the game a lot of settings are locked in, even if you change them by replacing or editing the server options file. That means you can’t go from 4x -> 1x without deleting the zombie*.bin files to force the game to regenerate the new spawn points and rules. Doing so can be very entertaining, however, as you can find yourself suddenly surrounded by zombies where you had once cleared. I did a 4x -> 16x change this way and upon loading the game after that had to bulldoze my way through a few thousand zombies by the Rosewood gas station after that had been previously cleared.
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Nyaa posted:Had you heard of Siege Survival: Gloria Victis? CuddleCryptid posted:+1 on this, it's pretty much This War Of Mine in a castle that is under siege, with you sneaking out during the night to get supplies and then building/repairing/trying not to get catapaulted during the day. It's a lot lighter of tone, def not a compedy game but not TWOM's very strong tone. Oh, interesting! Seems like a stealthy take on TWoM - I might need to check it out. Thanks!
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duffmensch posted:It’s worth bringing up that after you create the game a lot of settings are locked in, even if you change them by replacing or editing the server options file. That means you can’t go from 4x -> 1x without deleting the zombie*.bin files to force the game to regenerate the new spawn points and rules. I've used this mod https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2670674997 to change settings in game, seemed to work fine but I haven't really changed major things.
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Vib Rib posted:It's been ages, what made AO so worth reviving? I don't remember it being at all survival related so I don't see the Dune comparison here. Anarchy Online is a game made by Funcom, and has a setting on a far away inhospitable planet in the future where a corporation colonizes the lands and battle locals for the ability to mine the world for notum, an extraordinarily expensive resource found only on that planet, whereas Dune is a game being made by Funcom and has a setting on a far away inhospitable planet in the future where Klaaz posted:gently caress my heart jumped for a sec, i would pre-order AO2 in a heartbeat 
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Deketh posted:Alright cool, thanks to you all. Not what I was hoping for but I'll keep an eye on its development and see what mods are adding and lurk in the thread for a bit I got a kick out of this post, about keeping an eye on the development of Project Zomboid, a game that has been "in development" for over a decade, lol.
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Gadzuko posted:Days Gone plays like this, but it is not a survival or building game. Worth picking up on the cheap though. There are tons of smaller infestations that are basically just a nest full of zombies to kill. You can hit them at night to have fewer zombies at home or go during the day and the nest will be more dangerous but the overland travel to get there is safer. Then there are giant hordes of zombies that roam the map, with an actual schedule where they go get water, then feed, then go home to sleep every day. Killing them can get pretty intense. One thing I like about the hordes is that they're legitimately dangerous despite being comprised solely of basic vanilla zombies, by simple virtue of "gently caress that's a lot of zombies".
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Twenty Four posted:Anarchy Online is a game made by Funcom, and has a setting on a far away inhospitable planet in the future where a corporation colonizes the lands and battle locals for the ability to mine the world for notum, an extraordinarily expensive resource found only on that planet, whereas Dune is a game being made by Funcom and has a setting on a far away inhospitable planet in the future where Funcom is representing it as a survival game, despite it being very likely to be an MMO instead.
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Oysters Autobio posted:Oh ya I would love a post collapse or wartime siege urban survival game. Like a 3D version of This War of Mine where you're not making stuff from scratch but rather cobbling together scavenged stuff. And when you're out looting you have to avoid significantly over powered military and militias (i.e. designed to be way too hard to engage). This just sounds like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. to me. You might dig Ice-Pick Lodge's Pathologic 2 even though it does not exactly match this description or this genre really. It definitely has an oppressive atmosphere where the city you are in is under "siege." It is a weird game but very good imo.
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caleb posted:This just sounds like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. to me. Another version of STALKER would be amazing, yes. Gonna be awhile now unfortunately. quote:You might dig Ice-Pick Lodge's Pathologic 2 even though it does not exactly match this description or this genre really. It definitely has an oppressive atmosphere where the city you are in is under "siege." It is a weird game but very good imo. Thanks! I'll take a look
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Oysters Autobio posted:Another version of STALKER would be amazing, yes. Gonna be awhile now unfortunately. Check out Stalcraft, it's a stalker MMO that just launched and it's really good. No survival elements though, it's kind of a tarkov-lite.
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Zero Sievert is a 2D Stalker-esque game (p much the same setting) that ive been having a lot of fun with lately. The only problem is its easy to kinda lock yourself into being forced to start a new game. You can quickly run out of food/water, not be able to buy any bc youre broke, and die of hunger/thirst before you can scavenge more.
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Kvlt! posted:Zero Sievert is a 2D Stalker-esque game (p much the same setting) that ive been having a lot of fun with lately.
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The S.T.A.L.K.E.R modding scene also exists and I quite enjoy the lite survival aspects of the G.A.M.M.A pack for S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Anomaly, tho I've tweaked it allot from it's base settings. Mags redux is like crack to me, god I love magazine management in games. Most of the survival aspects from the gamma pack tho is the much expanded health system. Healing items are very diverse and can have a variety of side-effects, and having separate health pools for your overall health, and separate body segment health further complicates things. A bandage stops bleeding and can be used to help stabilize an injured leg, letting you run for a few minutes, but you'll need to take some heavier drugs to actually heal the leg damage, and those will make you dizzy, meaning you need to live with being dizzy for a few minutes, take more drugs with different side-effects to counteract that or break into your water supplies to help alleviate it quicker. Playing with more limited carryweight makes setting out on an excursion and deciding what to bring with you a real gameplay feature. Jawnycat fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Dec 15, 2022 |
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Phigs posted:My Grounded crashes every few minutes in multiplayer. It's apparently a somewhat common issue and has been for a very long time. Pretty disappointing. Grounded had a 6 gig patch yesterday that seemed to be mainly for stability. We played three hours, most of it with four people, and had zero drops or lag issues. They specifically addressed the drop after death glitch in the patch notes.
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I'm not sure if it's ever been mentioned in this thread, but the Fallout 3 Frost overhaul is a survival mod that has STALKER vibes. It takes place during the nuclear winter after the bombs fell, and pretty much the entire gameplay loop is budgeting your bullets to get yourself enough food and water while trying to keep your radiation exposure beyond lethal levels.
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