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AnimeIsTrash posted:Maybe you should pick mods or iks from people who aren't the top posters in megathreads? There are a lot of posters who's brains are complete mush because they only post about politics. nobody would claim i was a top poster in anything so mission accomplished i think this is genuinely something that has improved a lot recently. i would not call any of the recent mods including azathoth "megathread posters" in the way that you mean Jazerus has issued a correction as of 01:50 on Dec 16, 2022 |
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Jazerus posted:nobody would claim i was a top poster in anything so mission accomplished Okay so how the hell are they picking you guys. Az can you please be specific what the selection criteria is because from the outside it's completely baffling
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Azathoth posted:This is part of why we have pushed to have a lot more mods, and why we just added more. When I came on back in October of last year, there were periods early on where I was the only mod who was not at least partially away, and that creates a powerful disincentive to step away. I have done some of the dumbest poo poo of my tenure when I didn't feel I could step away and was stressed by life outside the forums. Lmfao come on dude, you can just step down.
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Majorian wasn't even a top poster in the U/R thread when I asked him to IK.
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Azathoth posted:For Majorian, he did a good job as IK of the U/R thread. Overall, we look at threads that don't have mods reading them, then look at the most frequent posters and see who we think would be good. Overall, I think Majorian has done a good job as a mod and that the U/R thread is much better for him being a full mod and being able to see reports. This little spat with AiT being an exception, of course, but I think he will learn from it. If Majorian refuses to mend his wicked ways I'd suggest leaving him as a mod but only for that thread. He does the same sort of stuff there sometimes but overall good job. ted hitler hunter posted:Why doesn't mods get/request PTO when they should? Jeff Biden pushed legislation through admingress denying them the right to PTO.
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you should make my posting pals mods and anyone else selected is, in terminology the admins can understand, "teh fail"
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really queer Christmas posted:Make Paul a mod lots of people saying this
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some plague rats posted:Okay so how the hell are they picking you guys. Az can you please be specific what the selection criteria is because from the outside it's completely baffling We don't pick someone just because they are the most prolific posters in any given thread, Jazerus for example posts in a bunch of different threads and seemed like they would do a good job so when we discussed candidates, someone brought their name up. We discussed them, along with other people and came to consensus to make an offer. During these discussions, we look at rapsheets and post histories, at least as much as we can. If someone's a prolific poster, no one's reading through 40k posts to see if they'd be a good mod. It's the same criteria that got you picked as an IK basically. Someone thought you'd do a good job, it got discussed, no one said "wait, isn't that the poster who did <some creepy thing>" and then a star got given out.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Lmfao come on dude, you can just step down. I will one day, but not today and probably not tomorrow. I'll keep doing this as long as it's still a rewarding experience and I have the time, and while this thread isn't exactly a barrel of laughs, I do still overall find it a worthwhile use of my time.
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Azathoth posted:We don't pick someone just because they are the most prolific posters in any given thread, Jazerus for example posts in a bunch of different threads and seemed like they would do a good job so when we discussed candidates, someone brought their name up. We discussed them, along with other people and came to consensus to make an offer. During these discussions, we look at rapsheets and post histories, at least as much as we can. If someone's a prolific poster, no one's reading through 40k posts to see if they'd be a good mod. So are new moderators still largely selected by the existing mods? Because that definitely seems like it would create self-perpetuating issues, right?
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really queer Christmas posted:Make Paul a mod
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some plague rats posted:So are new moderators still largely selected by the existing mods? Because that definitely seems like it would create self-perpetuating issues, right? who else would select them?
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really queer Christmas posted:Make Paul a mod
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lumpentroll posted:i'll do it There is literally no way this could backfire
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some plague rats posted:So are new moderators still largely selected by the existing mods? Because that definitely seems like it would create self-perpetuating issues, right? It's the same system that selected you, so unless you consider yourself to be an insider candidate who wholeheartedly supports the existing status quo, I'd say that there is room in there for a variety of different types of people, including some you wouldn't normally expect. We also do listen to suggestions when people say someone would be a good mod or IK. Beyond that, at some point the system does self select, as we can only make mods or IKs out of people who think it is a good use of time to be a volunteer internet janitor for no pay and that flat out eliminates a good chunk of posters.
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I was selected by g*d.
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Azathoth posted:I went ahead an ungassed the Stewie Griffin thread. As an avid Family Guy fan since the very beginning, I have been enjoying it and would hate to see the forums lose it. what tge duece
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Gordon Ramsay looking at Calibanibal: Oh dear, oh dear, gorgeous Gordon Ramsay looking at other mods: You loving donkeys
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Azathoth posted:It's the same system that selected you, so unless you consider yourself to be an insider candidate who wholeheartedly supports the existing status quo, I'd say that there is room in there for a variety of different types of people, including some you wouldn't normally expect. I was put forward by the PYF mods, who are normal, and made a good decision because I'm great, but I feel like there would be an issue when mods are being selected by the likes of flavius and crusty nutsack and squizzle, to pull names from the Bad Era? Was there ever a point where you were like okay, this well is completely poisoned? Anyway make Paul a mod
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some plague rats posted:There is literally no way this could backfire
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Once this thread is closed, it would be nice if someone from the mod team notes the key issues that came up here and what was/will be done about them. Nothing lengthy.
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Calibanibal posted:I was selected by g*d. Baphomet
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lobotomy molo posted:az, i sincerely hope your job has nothing to do with numbers, or you're just having an off day. again, just for the record: i think you just need to stop looking for consistency. the decision has been made that subs are distinct and get to have their own policies that are independent of what happens elsewhere.
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lobotomy molo posted:fact check: this is objectively true. I'm not sure how you compiled these numbers but I'd rather this 400% number doesn't enter forums lore forever so I'm happy to ask you to elaborate a little here. As far as I can tell you've picked a time period that roughly coincides with the Ukraine-related ban wave and then tallied every ban in CSPAM and GBS for that time period, even if they have nothing to do with Ukraine. That's the only way I can come up with numbers close to the ones you got for bans in CSPAM at least (if I compare just bans in Ukraine threads, I get much lower numbers), but it's not a great way to compare moderation in the two forums, let alone compare them like for like on a specific issue like Ukraine, as your post implies. But even then, if you count all the bans in each forum from October 16th to November 11th, these are the numbers I got: CSPAM: bans: 18 permabans: 8 GBS: bans: 11 permabans: 6 In CSPAM, in addition to bans related to Ukraine, those numbers include bans or permabans over goonfund drama, making lovely posts about domestic violence, telling others to kill themselves, transphobia, advocating violence, hoping for the deaths of others' children, and whatever this is. I don't think all of that should be lumped in with Ukraine-related quotes to suggest that all the numbers you compiled arise from the Ukraine ban wave. In addition, those numbers are counting reregs of permabanned users, which I think is the only way you can get to 8 permabans in CSPAM for that time period. Likewise, the 6 I found in GBS include a number of Seraph accounts for example. If you exclude rereg accounts when counting permabans, for that time period I count 5 in CSPAM and 2 in GBS, which means you're comparing the total including rereg bans in CSPAM with only the unique permabans in GBS. If you compare just the results of the Ukraine-related ban wave in early November, I think the numbers are 4 bans and 2 permabans in GBS and 2 bans and 3 permabans in CSPAM. Two of CSPAM's 5 unique permabans during your chosen time period were unrelated to Ukraine posting. If I count just bans in Ukraine threads alone, I count 7 bans (1 of which was rescinded) and 4 permabans (1 of which was a rereg account) in the CSPAM thread in your chosen time period, and 8 bans and 2 permabans in the GBS thread. You've also been here long enough to know that a permaban is rarely just for one post, and you must have read the Leper's Colony to compile those numbers so you know that the descriptions Jeffrey wrote for the Ukraine bans were very clear that they were for longer patterns of posting rather than for the individual posts that you quoted. If the ultimate point here is that GBS and CSPAM have different moderating standards then I would answer yes, they do, because they're different forums with different posts, different rules, and different mods. I think I would need more than this to agree that the only explanation is biased moderation.
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James Gunn is directing a movie called Coyote vs. Acme, and the plot is Wile E Coyote sues Acme because he keeps getting injured by its lovely products
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some plague rats posted:I was put forward by the PYF mods, who are normal, and made a good decision because I'm great, but I feel like there would be an issue when mods are being selected by the likes of flavius and crusty nutsack and squizzle, to pull names from the Bad Era? Was there ever a point where you were like okay, this well is completely poisoned? Anyway make Paul a mod And the PYF mods were all picked by other PYF mods who were picked by ... At some point in that chain, you're gonna find a normal person being picked by a dumbass. That sort of thing can and does happen. For C-SPAM, it is my understanding that Dreylad and vyelkin were appointed directly by the admins specifically to help break the negative feedback loop that the Bad Era (as apt a term as any) had created between mods and the community and every mod we have today, myself included, are part of their "coaching tree" to borrow a sports analogy, save Crusty. In the same way, I got the red star because there wasn't representation on the admin team for the politics forums, and not having any admins that had anything more than a passing familiarity with C-SPAM was another root cause of the Bad Era. I think we've made a lot of progress in getting better moderation over the last 18 months, but we're all volunteers picked by volunteers who thought this was a good idea, and if folks do have ideas for someone we haven't considered who might be a good mod, we do welcome suggestions. The biggest issue we still have with that is that we will likely agree with your suggestion and probably even offered them a mod or IK star at some point and they refused.
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vyelkin posted:I'm not sure how you compiled these numbers but I'd rather this 400% number doesn't enter forums lore forever so I'm happy to ask you to elaborate a little here. why bother spending any more time discussing this? the admin already weighed in and said any such comparison is invalid and all of the cspam bans were justified on their own merits.  it’s time to move on, heal, and reset the clock
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lobotomy molo posted:why bother spending any more time discussing this? the admin already weighed in and said any such comparison is invalid and all of the cspam bans were justified on their own merits. i mean, if you actually want to litigate the legitimacy of any of those punishments this is the thread for it. i don't speak for the mods but i don't think anyone would stop you or argue that's an invalid topic. just stop pointing at GBS and reminding everyone there are bloodthirsty liberals there. it's obvious enough
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really queer Christmas posted:I don't care where you post, talking about how animals need to be killed should be permad personally, it's worse that he bragged about waiting for a 17yo to turn legal to have sex with her while he was in his 30s and he still posts about sex stuff
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Azathoth posted:I'm sorry, I just don't find your arguments compelling. oh hey look a new thread title also you can't use leper colony for data collection because accounts can be banned without entries in the Leper Colony 
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speng31b posted:i mean, if you actually want to litigate the legitimacy of any of those punishments this is the thread for it. i don't speak for the mods but i don't think anyone would stop you or argue that's an invalid topic. This is definitely the thread for it, yeah.
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lobotomy molo posted:cspam’s a lot bigger than gbs, but not 400% bigger, so the number of permabans handed out to cspammers seem a little excessive. like sexpig, for a good example. sexpig's only crime was speaking truth to power Jeffrey's lèse-majesté pretensions would be laughable if they weren't so... actually they're just laughable
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lobotomy molo posted:why bother spending any more time discussing this? the admin already weighed in and said any such comparison is invalid and all of the cspam bans were justified on their own merits. lmao trying to hide behind my legs is seriously the best response you've got to that?
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speng31b posted:i mean, if you actually want to litigate the legitimacy of any of those punishments this is the thread for it. i don't speak for the mods but i don't think anyone would stop you or argue that's an invalid topic. what would be the point? azathoth already said he disagrees with my feedback and isn’t open to reconsidering sexpig’s perma. I’ve gotta do the nice thing and respect his decision. Azathoth posted:lmao trying to hide behind my legs is seriously the best response you've got to that? oh now you can count
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im an AMERICAN posted:oh hey look a new thread title We only do that for you and seraph, as for whatever reason you both seem to enjoy flaunting your wealth via the Leper's Colony.
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lobotomy molo posted:what would be the point? azathoth already said he disagrees with my feedback and isn’t open to reconsidering sexpig’s perma. I’ve gotta do the nice thing and respect his decision. in my experience mods rarely reconsider their bans or permas, but most of them take feedback about it into account when deciding on other punishments in the future
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