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Tiny Timbs posted:Russia's opening move was an attempt to sack Kyiv so I'm not really sure I understand the suggestion that Ukraine shouldn't pursue targets within Russia. Russia already set that bar for escalation on Day 1.
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gently caress that noise. Military bases, equipment, and personnel are valid targets for AFU anywhere in Russia. Open the catalog and give them anything they ask for.
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Dec 16, 2022 13:01
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fresh_cheese posted:gently caress that noise.
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Dec 16, 2022 13:11
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As an american taxpayer: crunch all you want, AFU, we’ll make more!
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Dec 16, 2022 13:17
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Herman Merman posted:Barring a few clear military targets near the border, Ukraine shouldn't pursue targets within Russia if they want to keep receiving military aid from the EU and US. I forget if it was Blinken or another high ranking individual who said it, but the US has explicitly stated as recently as a week or two ago that Ukraine is within their rights to attack military targets in Russia. Especially for those that are being used for the purposes of attacking civilian infrastructure.
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psydude posted:I forget if it was Blinken or another high ranking individual who said it, but the US has explicitly stated as recently as a week or two ago that Ukraine is within their rights to attack military targets in Russia. Especially for those that are being used for the purposes of attacking civilian infrastructure. Speaking of targeting civilian infrastructure. https://twitter.com/AP/status/1603681341727539200?s=20&t=3v8HPbNzaiIGc-PG9TuxYA
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We mustn't piss off the Russians, now!
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A.o.D. posted:We mustn't piss off the Russians, now! You will regret this!
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Herman Merman posted:Barring a few clear military targets near the border, Ukraine shouldn't pursue targets within Russia if they want to keep receiving military aid from the EU and US. That sure is a take. Feel free to elaborate on it before it becomes a hot take that was lobbed into the discussion with no follow-up.
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Herman Merman posted:Barring a few clear military targets near the border, Ukraine shouldn't pursue targets within Russia if they want to keep receiving military aid from the EU and US. Ukraine has been pursuing targets within Russia from the very start, and it has had no impact on military aid from the EU and US. Facts do not support your thesis.
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I used to call things I didn’t like gay and use the other f word about things besides gay people (but also sometimes gay people, even if I had no real issue with them), and the first few times I got pushback on it I went Louis CK and it’s just wordsssss maaannnn, but I adjusted, largely to avoid hassle at first but as time went on I saw the point and even if it was language I grew up with, it doesn’t mean I couldn’t evolve. Anyway, much of the on-the-spectrum/sperg-out/OCD descriptive language we used to use so much is the next step. I’m not blameless either, but I can see the point of trying to clean it up. Anyway, back to gently caress Russia
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Alan Smithee posted:didn't the Polish make an RPG that was literally just a rocket you could fire by hand They did, gave a bunch of them to Ukraine early in the war. RPG-76 Komar - Wikipedia
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Herman Merman posted:Barring a few clear military targets near the border, Ukraine shouldn't pursue targets within Russia if they want to keep receiving military aid from the EU and US. On the contrary, my sense is that deep strikes into Russia are probably less about degrading Russian capabilities and more about influencing Western media to continue the "Russia is completely and utterly incompetent, look at what Ukraine can do with less-than-modern weapons" narrative. As we've recently discussed, the front line reality is most likely a brutal war with some relative parity (with Ukraine being far more cautious than Russia in regards to tactics.) However, an overarching narrative of relative parity may allow for a sense of futility to take hold in Western governments, subsequently slowing or stopping the flow of support to Ukraine. Ergo, "humiliating" deep strikes into Russia 1) help ensure broad foreign support for the campaign and 2) boost overall Ukrainian morale.
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GD_American posted:I used to call things I didn’t like gay and use the other f word about things besides gay people (but also sometimes gay people, even if I had no real issue with them), and the first few times I got pushback on it I went Louis CK and it’s just wordsssss maaannnn, but I adjusted, largely to avoid hassle at first but as time went on I saw the point and even if it was language I grew up with, it doesn’t mean I couldn’t evolve. I just find it laughable that we're totally cool with calling people broke brains here but issue warnings for saying "on the spectrum." Mmm yes, it's totally cool to call people with any manner of mental health issues "broken".
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Bombing a target anywhere in Russian territory or in international waters is a cool and good use of Ukrainian munitions. Taking Russian territory permanently is a whole other thing. If you're going to move the imaginary lines on the map without the consent of people on both sides of it, you're the bad guy now. The Russian invasion is, in my mind anyway, a direct analogue of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Let's suppose, purely for the purposes of discussion, that Saddam wasn't making poo poo up and the Kuwaitis were actually slant drilling over the border and stealing Iraqi oil. Even if that had been true the Iraqi invasion and announced annexation wasn't going to stand. So it is here, with all of Putin's blatant re-USSR-ization of the map: there isn't an excuse big enough to justify it.
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Deteriorata posted:Ukraine has been pursuing targets within Russia from the very start, and it has had no impact on military aid from the EU and US. Facts do not support your thesis. If Ukrainian infantry starts crossing the border in any significant capacity, or if Ukraine starts lobbing missiles or artillery fire across the border and even accidentally hits civilian targets, they'll find that the popular support in western countries for supporting their war effort will wane real quick, and western governments will not act against public opinion. It's vital for Ukraine to remain the good guys in the eyes of the western voters.
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psydude posted:I just find it laughable that we're totally cool with calling people broke brains here but issue warnings for saying "on the spectrum." I kind of think that among former military "broke brains" has n-word privileges. i.e. we are talking about ourselves.
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Yeah we’re open enough about our own various diagnosis that there’s a healthy bit of self-deprecation there, but you have a point in that we can take that too far too. I kinda dialled back on that talk after I took my current job and started dealing with 100% dissasociative schizophrenics or people that are pedal to the metal bipolar, and realized my little case of the sads was fairly minor league
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Herman Merman posted:Pursuing targets that aren't militarily relevant targets near the border like the fuel depot or the Kerch bridge for example? They've been hitting random villages in Belgorod with artillery shells pretty much since the start.
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GD_American posted:Yeah we’re open enough about our own various diagnosis that there’s a healthy bit of self-deprecation there, but you have a point in that we can take that too far too. My wife has pretty severe ADHD that she's struggling with. I don't think she's broken, I just think society isn't really set up for the way her mind works. And I think it's silly that McNally is haranguing people for saying Savant but is totally chill with everyone talking about how loltastic their PTSD is.
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I’ll allow it as long as we can say the bitch word again
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Herman Merman posted:Pursuing targets that aren't militarily relevant targets near the border like the fuel depot or the Kerch bridge for example? Please explain why fuel depots and kerch bridge arent militarily relevant
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psydude posted:My wife has pretty severe ADHD that she's struggling with. I don't think she's broken, I just think society isn't really set up for the way her mind works. And I think it's silly that McNally is haranguing people for saying Savant but is totally chill with everyone talking about how loltastic their PTSD is. I find it a bit weird that baying for the death of cops is fine but saying bitch is not. Or that deliberately being an rear end in a top hat is OK, just so long as you avoid the bad words when you do it. 
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psydude posted:My wife has pretty severe ADHD that she's struggling with. I don't think she's broken, I just think society isn't really set up for the way her mind works. And I think it's silly that McNally is haranguing people for saying Savant but is totally chill with everyone talking about how loltastic their PTSD is. I have some pretty severe poo poo going on, and i gotta say that despite having broken brains i don't think that I am broken
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Alan Smithee posted:wait can we not say bitch anymore Let's find out. smoke crack is a _____
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Alan Smithee posted:wait can we not say bitch anymore It's been off limits for months if not years. I dunno. It's kind of a weird thing - that post earlier about the language treadmill was interesting. Pejoratives change over time, language does, I guess for me the guiding principle is more don't deliberately be an rear end in a top hat, but I also recognize that I come from a background where all sorts of poo poo gets thrown around so I'm a little less sensitive to whichever words as well.
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psydude posted:I just find it laughable that we're totally cool with calling people broke brains here but issue warnings for saying "on the spectrum." a bunch of this site never matured past being a dumbass 15 year old and/or just does not give a poo poo about the actual reasons why you might not want to be maximally insensitive. that's just people in general though. GD_American posted:I used to call things I didn’t like gay and use the other f word about things besides gay people (but also sometimes gay people, even if I had no real issue with them), and the first few times I got pushback on it I went Louis CK and it’s just wordsssss maaannnn, but I adjusted, largely to avoid hassle at first but as time went on I saw the point and even if it was language I grew up with, it doesn’t mean I couldn’t evolve. Yeah this. There's a degree of grace to going through the world in a way that puts people at ease and isn't instantly, needlessly offputting to significant portions of people. I don't especially make it my business or care that much how other people choose to talk as long as they're not being actively hateful, but just cutting some poo poo out of my own vocabulary makes my life simpler and other people more comfortable. It's kind of like being in shape past a certain age: you don't have to be perfectly fit to look way better than all the 40+ year old guys who don't even try. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Dec 17, 2022 |
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Christ, I'm loving sorry I said anything. I was taking action on a report that I felt had some merit. Someone felt strongly enough about it to make the report, it seemed reasonable on the surface to me, so I said something. Clearly I'm the rear end in a top hat here.
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McNally posted:Clearly I'm the rear end in a top hat here. Yeah but you make good youtube videos, so we'll keep you around.
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McNally posted:Christ, I'm loving sorry I said anything. it's started a conversation, and a fairly reasonable one imoKeep being an rear end in a top hat
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It's almost like we train young men to drop fire on people but their commanders won't allow them to write "gently caress" on their airplanes because it's obscene.
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Wrong Theory posted:It's almost like we train young men to drop fire on people but their commanders won't allow them to write "gently caress" on their airplanes because it's obscene. What an appropriate time to crosspost from the Cold War thread: mlmp08 posted:https://twitter.com/jaredbkeller/status/1603804421682393088?s=46&t=wtJ5wj3Hz7A_P9ac6SjuVg Edit: Followed a few links and found this gem: “Task and Purpose: No, this KC-135’s call sign is not ‘Titties,’ Air Force says posted:We displayed it on the service as it came out of the aircraft,” Petchenik said on Friday. “The aircraft at the time was seen by 94 separate receivers in the area. This isn’t a question other than: That was plugged into the flight computer and that is what came out as the call sign.” Tomn fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Dec 17, 2022 |
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Would doing something like that actually lead to disciplinary action? Also, The problem is "Idiot" just doesn't hit the same.
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Joke Miriam posted:Would doing something like that actually lead to disciplinary action? The growler crew that drew a sky dick got disciplined, IIRC
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Joke Miriam posted:Would doing something like that actually lead to disciplinary action? "Idiot," "dumb," and "moron," are all ableist slurs if that's the road we're going down. If you don't want to get all Twitter-brained over stuff a better metric is to just gauge based on context and how people respond. The last time those words were said in any seriously hateful way was probably the 1940s.
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Joke Miriam posted:Also, Vapid ignoramus.
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Tiny Timbs posted:"Idiot," "dumb," and "moron," are all ableist slurs if that's the road we're going down. If you don't want to get all Twitter-brained over stuff a better metric is to just gauge based on context and how people respond. The last time those words were said in any seriously hateful way was probably the 1940s. Retarded is actually a politically correct term created to get away from terms like moron.
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Bum the Sad posted:Retarded is actually a politically correct term created to get away from terms like moron. Reactionary effect to McNamara's Morons?
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