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Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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carry on then posted:

The problem specifically with iTunes for Windows wasn't really the iTunes parts but the way they just ported like all of Carbon to Windows made the thing run like absolute dogshit, even today.

Which is pretty funny because they could have rewritten it from the ground up using a native Windows SDK of some sort, but iTunes (underneath its UI and database navigation) was just a reskin of SoundJam that they bought and rushed out to market, and if they weren't going to take the time to make it a flagship Cocoa app to show off Objective-C for the first-class platform, they drat sure weren't going to waste that kind of effort on the Windows version

https://panic.com/extras/audionstory/

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TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

Unfortunately iTunes for Windows is stuck in some weird twilight zone where it's sorta still being supported because it's the only way to do certain things, but they don't seem to want to replace it or actually put effort into it.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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carry on then posted:

The problem specifically with iTunes for Windows wasn't really the iTunes parts but the way they just ported like all of Carbon to Windows made the thing run like absolute dogshit, even today.

Yea it’s so incredibly Janky. Super slow and unresponsive, sometimes it freezes and does nothing for a while, constantly has issues. And the interface became incredibly convoluted - Apple at least recognised this when they replaced it with several apps in MacOS.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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TOOT BOOT posted:

Unfortunately iTunes for Windows is stuck in some weird twilight zone where it's sorta still being supported because it's the only way to do certain things, but they don't seem to want to replace it or actually put effort into it.

I can’t imagine that’s made it any better, but it’s been a piece of poo poo for a couple decades now.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

I believe they announced Apple Music was coming to Windows 11 at some point. Makes me wonder if they finally rewrote it but somehow I don’t think so.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

the metal side projects - the dlss equivalent and the torch training acceleration etc. are kinda depressing to me
in a different universe, we'd have gaming and machine learning support competitive with PCs

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
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I really need to upgrade the ram in my 2018 Mac Mini in the new year. I’ve done ram/ssd on my 2012 Mini before but I know the 2018 is more involved and need to take the system try out etc. I’ve skimmed the ifixit guide, but what’s it like to do in the real world… a pain in the rear end that might have me frying something or straightforward enough with time and patience?

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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At this point you should probably be buying an m1 mini rather than spending more money on a dead platform. Unless you absolutely need intel for something you’re doing.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

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The M1 machine was announced like a week after my return window was closed. I also bought a new Intel laptop around the same time. Was so mad.

So alas it’s not that old and doing the needed ram upgrade is gonna be a good chunk less than switching to another new machine.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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EL BROMANCE posted:

The M1 machine was announced like a week after my return window was closed. I also bought a new Intel laptop around the same time. Was so mad.

So alas it’s not that old and doing the needed ram upgrade is gonna be a good chunk less than switching to another new machine.

I suggest you see what you could sell the intel mini for and factor that into your calculations at least.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Edit: nm

nitsuga
Jan 1, 2007

EL BROMANCE posted:

I really need to upgrade the ram in my 2018 Mac Mini in the new year. I’ve done ram/ssd on my 2012 Mini before but I know the 2018 is more involved and need to take the system try out etc. I’ve skimmed the ifixit guide, but what’s it like to do in the real world… a pain in the rear end that might have me frying something or straightforward enough with time and patience?

It’s not that bad. The biggest thing is keeping the screws in order and being careful to follow each step precisely. A nice well lit place to work is key too.

Canned Sunshine
Nov 20, 2005

CAUTION: POST QUALITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION



The Lord Bude posted:

I suggest you see what you could sell the intel mini for and factor that into your calculations at least.

The M1 is great, but if his current machine is doing what he needs, and just needs more RAM, then paying $100 or so to increase it is a much better recommendation than “Sell the machine and spend several hundred for an M1 that may only be marginally faster at the specific tasks.”

That recommendation mindset is why we have the e-Waste problem we do.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
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nitsuga posted:

It’s not that bad. The biggest thing is keeping the screws in order and being careful to follow each step precisely. A nice well lit place to work is key too.

Good tip on the screws, I’ll be more careful than my usual haphazard placement of them.

SourKraut posted:

The M1 is great, but if his current machine is doing what he needs, and just needs more RAM, then paying $100 or so to increase it is a much better recommendation than “Sell the machine and spend several hundred for an M1 that may only be marginally faster at the specific tasks.”

That recommendation mindset is why we have the e-Waste problem we do.

Yeah this is how I see it. Until I bought the 2018 one in 2020 (which they kinda pretended was a refresh but wasn’t) I was running my 2012 one fine but was having major stability issues that turned out to be bad RAM, so I took it as an excuse to upgrade. Got the 2012 running again and it’s FireWire connectivity means it’s a nice little SD edit workstation now.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

SourKraut posted:

The M1 is great, but if his current machine is doing what he needs, and just needs more RAM, then paying $100 or so to increase it is a much better recommendation than “Sell the machine and spend several hundred for an M1 that may only be marginally faster at the specific tasks.”

That recommendation mindset is why we have the e-Waste problem we do.

well, and just a lot of waste in literally every consumer product

nom epique
Apr 24, 2022

by VideoGames
Can I plug two monitors into my crapple M1 16 inch 16 core? It only has one HDMI port. how do i plug in multi monitors? sitch?

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003

is there any real point to the state and local government employees apple store section? i now qualify but i didn't see anything that differed from the standard retail pricing.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

nom epique posted:

Can I plug two monitors into my crapple M1 16 inch 16 core? It only has one HDMI port. how do i plug in multi monitors? sitch?

if M1P then internal display + two displays, if M1Max then internal display + four displays.

Use Thunderbolt and dongle/cable it to HDMI or DisplayPort or whatever the gently caress you want

nom epique
Apr 24, 2022

by VideoGames

Ok Comboomer posted:

if M1P then internal display + two displays, if M1Max then internal display + four displays.

Use Thunderbolt and dongle/cable it to HDMI or DisplayPort or whatever the gently caress you want

it doesn't have a thunderbolt port OP. what's DisplayPort. Help me out here

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

nom epique posted:

it doesn't have a thunderbolt port OP. what's DisplayPort. Help me out here

yes it does. If it’s Apple Silicon then the USB-C ports are all Thunderbolt and you can run a display off of them. DisplayPort is a digital display connector standard intercompatible with HDMI.

nom epique
Apr 24, 2022

by VideoGames

Ok Comboomer posted:

yes it does. If it’s Apple Silicon then the USB-C ports are all Thunderbolt and you can run a display off of them. DisplayPort is a digital display connector standard intercompatible with HDMI.

well I'll be a son of a gun

nom epique
Apr 24, 2022

by VideoGames
Why does crapple sell this AV multiport adaptor that doesn't have two HDMI holes? FAIL!

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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nom epique posted:

Can I plug two monitors into my crapple M1 16 inch 16 core? It only has one HDMI port. how do i plug in multi monitors? sitch?

You use the thunderbolt/USB-C ports. Decent quality modern monitors will have USB-C input. This is the preferred method of of connecting a laptop since one cable charges the laptop, provides both the video signal and data to any usb ports on the monitor. It also supports higher resolutions/framerates than the HDMI port. HDMI should be your last choice, not first.

Perplx
Jun 26, 2004


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Also if you use a thunderbolt hub you can plug 2 monitors over a single cable to your laptop. Using 2 monitors with a 100w thunderbolt 4 hub over a 3 meter thunderbolt cable is the most baller setup.

Perplx fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Dec 18, 2022

nitsuga
Jan 1, 2007

Thauros posted:

is there any real point to the state and local government employees apple store section? i now qualify but i didn't see anything that differed from the standard retail pricing.

You get a slight discount on things it looks like. $939 vs $999 for an M1 MacBook Air for example.

Mofabio
May 15, 2003
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nom epique posted:

Why does crapple sell this AV multiport adaptor that doesn't have two HDMI holes? FAIL!

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

EL BROMANCE posted:

I really need to upgrade the ram in my 2018 Mac Mini in the new year. I’ve done ram/ssd on my 2012 Mini before but I know the 2018 is more involved and need to take the system try out etc. I’ve skimmed the ifixit guide, but what’s it like to do in the real world… a pain in the rear end that might have me frying something or straightforward enough with time and patience?

The ifixit guide has a video, watch it for a better idea of how it all lines up with what you feel comfortable doing. I watched the disassembly; the most delicate thing looks like the LED cable but even it didn't look super hard.

I advise getting the prying tools they show in the video to help open the bottom, lever cables out of sockets, and so on. You can try to do repairs or upgrades on Apple equipment without them, but it's a lot easier with the right tools.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

nom epique posted:

Why does crapple sell this AV multiport adaptor that doesn't have two HDMI holes? FAIL!

Because other specialists made that part already https://www.caldigit.com/mini-dock/ and using a dual port adapter on a air would not work properly.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
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BobHoward posted:

The ifixit guide has a video, watch it for a better idea of how it all lines up with what you feel comfortable doing. I watched the disassembly; the most delicate thing looks like the LED cable but even it didn't look super hard.

I advise getting the prying tools they show in the video to help open the bottom, lever cables out of sockets, and so on. You can try to do repairs or upgrades on Apple equipment without them, but it's a lot easier with the right tools.

Ah I didn’t spot the video I’ll go back and check, thanks. And yeah totally gonna get the tools I don’t have already from the 2012 one just so I have everything exactly as needed.

nom epique
Apr 24, 2022

by VideoGames

Perplx posted:

Also if you use a thunderbolt hub you can plug 2 monitors over a single cable to your laptop. Using 2 monitors with a 100w thunderbolt 4 hub over a 3 meter thunderbolt cable is the most baller setup.

150$ for 3 feet of cable

Apex Rogers
Jun 12, 2006

disturbingly functional

nom epique posted:

150$ for 3 feet of cable

3 meters is more like 10 ft, but yes an absolute ripoff.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

i got my grovemade desk pad, which is nice but it moves around a bit because the m2 air is so goddamn light

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Okay, so hopefully this question won't start a fight this time, but does anyone have any recommendations on mac supported mechanical keyboards (brown switches preferred) or mice? Most of the functions work on the the ones I am using currently, but just little features that I am missing that make using what I previously used on windows annoying now.

For example I can no longer hold down the middle scroll wheel to drag a document back to the top, I have to scroll manually now. Also the function keys on my keyboard don't work and every time I restart the OS asks me to identify my keyboard.

Just looking for something that works out of the box I'm guessing.

hypnophant
Oct 19, 2012

Zil posted:

Okay, so hopefully this question won't start a fight this time, but does anyone have any recommendations on mac supported mechanical keyboards (brown switches preferred) or mice? Most of the functions work on the the ones I am using currently, but just little features that I am missing that make using what I previously used on windows annoying now.

For example I can no longer hold down the middle scroll wheel to drag a document back to the top, I have to scroll manually now. Also the function keys on my keyboard don't work and every time I restart the OS asks me to identify my keyboard.

Just looking for something that works out of the box I'm guessing.

price? das has a “for mac” brown mx keyboard, though i have to say my preonic works flawlessly and I imagine most qmk boards are the same

for mouse, god’s own mouse the mx master 3 with the most perfect scroll wheel ever created is also available “for mac” though the regular one also works flawlessly with downloaded logi options

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Zil posted:

Okay, so hopefully this question won't start a fight this time, but does anyone have any recommendations on mac supported mechanical keyboards (brown switches preferred) or mice? Most of the functions work on the the ones I am using currently, but just little features that I am missing that make using what I previously used on windows annoying now.

For example I can no longer hold down the middle scroll wheel to drag a document back to the top, I have to scroll manually now. Also the function keys on my keyboard don't work and every time I restart the OS asks me to identify my keyboard.

Just looking for something that works out of the box I'm guessing.

https://www.amazon.ca/Matias-FK302-Tactile-Pro-Keyboard/dp/B003N3HFI6 this was the winner on a mac address video

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


hypnophant posted:

price? das has a “for mac” brown mx keyboard, though i have to say my preonic works flawlessly and I imagine most qmk boards are the same

for mouse, god’s own mouse the mx master 3 with the most perfect scroll wheel ever created is also available “for mac” though the regular one also works flawlessly with downloaded logi options

Not looking to break the bank on it so a DAS keyboard may be a bit much.

Also that mouse looks very similar to the Mionix one I have now, so that should work.
Thank you will add that to the spreadsheet to compare.

blastron
Dec 11, 2007

Don't doodle on it!


There's an option in macOS's keyboard settings to remap ctrl/win/alt keys to ctrl/alt/cmd, so if you're not particularly picky about having Mac-specific keys on your keyboard, you can use basically any keyboard that meets your needs.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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On keyboards, this recent article in Ars caught my eye:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/oneplus-first-mechanical-keyboard-will-have-a-mac-layout-open-source-software/

there aren’t that many Mac layout mechanical keyboards out there. I have to say though, as someone who always used mechanical keyboards when I had a PC, have you tried the Magic Keyboard? I switched to it when I bought my Mac and haven’t had any thoughts of going back, I really like it.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
people seem to have very mixed feelings on Logitech mechanicals, but the MX mechanical comes in both Mac only and Bi-compatible forms

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nitsuga
Jan 1, 2007

My Keychron K2 has been pretty good. It’s nice and clacky. There’s a little switch to go between Windows and macOS, which you have to use if you want the media keys to work in Windows. It’s got multiple Bluetooth connections and a USB port, and really it hasn’t been any trouble over the last year or so going through all the permutations of ways it can connect.

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