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RPATDO_LAMD posted:i think all of those posts are about the one random guy in gbs who called an anti-AI artist reactionary (?!) and unsubscribed from their patreon in that case: lol
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just found this thread and lolling at cspammers being upset about tech bro pirates infringing on intellectual property rights but thankfully the big friendly corporations like disney and all the record labels agree with you so these AIs might not be available to the public for long
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many itt are mistakenly assuming that the pro-ai voices are tech-bros or musk fanboys or whatever. this is completely wrong. we simply hate artists and are cheer-leading their demise
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projecthalaxy posted:Pro-germ theory voices want us to stop bleeding the humours like the Old Masters did stfu
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i'm tired of the ai art style already. next
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why is everyone so mad about midjourney and stable diffusion anyway. ChatGPT has stolen every book in existance and probably all the code on github. i was expecting to be able to mock a bunch of angry authors and computer janitors but all if find are people mad about the theft of their deviant art portfolio
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Mercrom posted:just found this thread and lolling at cspammers being upset about tech bro pirates infringing on intellectual property rights Nice thing about Stable Diffusion is it's there forever since they released the github project. Can't take it back if they wanted to. People can train their own models and release them on bittorrent or whatever.
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Mercrom posted:why is everyone so mad about midjourney and stable diffusion anyway. ChatGPT has stolen every book in existance and probably all the code on github. i was expecting to be able to mock a bunch of angry authors and computer janitors but all if find are people mad about the theft of their deviant art portfolio The only thing I have heard from my fellow coders is how great ChatGPT is at writing tedious scripts quickly. You won't be able to code and maintain some hugely scalable website like Twitter with it, but anything that saves time and avoids tedium is welcomed by developers. I don't think any of them are worried about computers taking their jobs, since the hardest part of our jobs is problem solving, scalability, dealing with non-technical people wanting to make impossible features, etc. AI art is similar, but clearly there are some very real use cases where you can make money with no art skill. I feel like that would be much less likely with coding.
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Mercrom posted:why is everyone so mad about midjourney and stable diffusion anyway. ChatGPT has stolen every book in existance and probably all the code on github. i was expecting to be able to mock a bunch of angry authors and computer janitors but all if find are people mad about the theft of their deviant art portfolio the computer touchers got it out of their systems lolling at ms's 'github copilot' ai months ago here it is directly copy pasting a famous function from the quake source code: https://twitter.com/mitsuhiko/status/1410886329924194309 RPATDO_LAMD has issued a correction as of 18:40 on Dec 16, 2022 |
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Mercrom posted:why is everyone so mad about midjourney and stable diffusion anyway. ChatGPT has stolen every book in existance and probably all the code on github. i was expecting to be able to mock a bunch of angry authors and computer janitors but all if find are people mad about the theft of their deviant art portfolio Writers were more prepared for this event to happen. Between two short stories made by Borges, library of babel the shows a world where every single thing is written, and Pierre Menard shows where, it's not so much the story, but also the context around a story that give it a lot of meaning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Library_of_Babel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Menard,_Author_of_the_Quixote And music, whooo, imagine telling somebody they have to make an original 4 note bar using only the thirteen notes of a single pitch, and despite how big that number is, it's kind of isn't (13*13*13*13 = ) 28'561 combinations. Most people don't put that music value into a single note sound. D isn't the happy note; G isn't the sad note. So the same note 4 times in a row CCCC, or F#F#F#F#, doesn't have that much meaningful difference. "Enough monkeys at a typewriter will remake the works of Shakespeare." mazzi Chart Czar has issued a correction as of 20:16 on Dec 16, 2022 |
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And just remember this article by Peter David from 2011 exists Quote: Just a few years down the line, as computer technology becomes more and more sophisticated, the requirement for drawing ability will fall away. Storytelling–writing–will still be a requirement, because people will always want and need stories. But drawing? Faw. Clip files can be fed into scanners, artwork manipulated and tweaked so that it’s no longer simple theft but, instead, a new creation. For that matter, Motion Capture may well be modified into cheap, “Stop” Motion Capture. All you’d need is the pattern for Spider-Man’s costume, plus someone to body model it for you, and you’ve got your wall-crawler. The need for artists who can “only” draw will lessen and diminish. https://www.peterdavid.net/2011/01/31/words-and-pictures/
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 So capitalist are using their accumulated capital to deskill production and proletarianize skilled labor and the solution is to further enclose the commons? Makes perfect sense to me, surely the capitalist won't use their wealth to purchase the newly enclosed commons and rent them back to the same skilled labor that original produced them. This time we'll surely be successful in dismantling the master's house with his own tools, yep!
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learning to draw hands is not very hard and will put you above 100% of the ai algorithms out there as well as roughly 90% of living artists
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Update: Just received a seasonal thank-you card from the artist I was considering ending my patreon subscription to. They included a cute little keychain in this one. I figure, that little extra bit of effort? That's worth keeping the subscription going a little bit longer, at least. now to see what pictures of hosed up keychains i can generate
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Artstation update: They've added the exact 'please don't scrape my art' tag that they said they were gonna add in their post yesterday https://magazine.artstation.com/2022/12/noli-tag/   of course from a legal perspective this tag does literally nothing. either AI training is fair use and they can ignore the tag or AI training is copyright violation and it's a violation even without the tag and it's impossible to block right-click save-as either way the community response is more protests that it's not turned on by default:  
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the only halfway decent argument ive heard for AI being exempt from fair use is that it will push the entire field of AI training towards open source piracy. that sounds cool but seems too optimistic
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Mercrom posted:just found this thread and lolling at cspammers being upset about tech bro pirates infringing on intellectual property rights At least Disney and the RIAA occasionally cut a check to an artist.
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speaking of which... https://twitter.com/fractalcounty/status/1603823756908036099 the gofundme already has $100k of course that's small potatoes compared to disney/riaa money so i doubt they'll do much to make the hellworld of copyright law any worse
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Artstation update: It should be off by default so artists who died long before it was implemented will have their art scraped.
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copyright should instanlty expire at the death of the author imo especially if a corporation other than the original author 'owns' it
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Abolish intellectual property.
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Gonna feed my art into the AI on purpose to become part of the godhead Every time you see a foot hosed up in just a certain way, I live on
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:copyright should instanlty expire at the death of the author imo Death + 18 years so residuals can take care of your minor children.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:speaking of which... Artists are some of the dumbest motherfuckers alive as it turns out
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Two questions: Why did OpenAI cripple ChatGPT so hard over the past week culminating in the last update? How did they do it? I don’t know how these models work, so I’d love to know how they got it to go into those Nice HR tone spiels when refusing requests, and refusing what seems like all requests.
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Tree Reformat posted:I'll admit, I feel a bit of the schadenfreude "pride goeth before the fall" I felt back during the AlphaGo debut. Watching that master Go player going from smug "lol it'll be a triumph for the researchers if it ekes out a single win" to almost completely getting dunked on and eating humble pie afterwards was just Dumb
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Frosted Flake posted:Two questions: That was the entire purpose of the free beta. They wanted people poking at it from a million different angles and getting it to say 'bad' stuff so they could hack up some ad-hoc solutions to all those openings and block them up somehow. After this period they are going to charge for it as a business product, once they're confident that they've covered most of the edge cases and it won't tell people how to hotwire cars or cook meth. A lot of it is probably done by just watching the input and injecting additional text as context, or monitoring the output and throwing out + re-running especially bad generations, but I don't know exactly. e: this extremely "good" analogy is currently top 5 trending on artstation  (it's a 12 page comic) RPATDO_LAMD has issued a correction as of 06:56 on Dec 18, 2022 |
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it's not an ad-hoc solution - chat-gpt explicitly has as part of its architecture a reward model and a reinforcement learning scheme which trains the model to rank possible generated responses. for the beta model, they used on the order of 30K prompts and responses and had humans rank them to provide annotations they're going to train another model or fine-tune the current one off presumably a subset of the prompts and responses generated by the public beta
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ok drat, that's more interesting then their solutions for previous stuff like dall-e were way more hacky and ad-hoc like when people complained that the dataset was obviously biased and the ai only made images of straight white males unless specifically instructed to make something else, they started secretly injecting stuff like ", a black woman" at the end of text prompts
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One interesting thing about ChatGPT is that its answers on certain topics make it incredibly clear that most of its data comes from content that's effectively ad copy. You can ask it questions like "Should I clean my home's ductwork?" and instead of something like "no, that's a scam, and the EPA says don't do it," it'll just regurgitate bullet points from SEO blog articles telling you to do it every few years. Same thing when asking questions about some really common solar panel scams. You can prod it into giving you better information, but you really have to already know the endpoint you're looking for to get there.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:That was the entire purpose of the free beta. They wanted people poking at it from a million different angles and getting it to say 'bad' stuff so they could hack up some ad-hoc solutions to all those openings and block them up somehow. I don't like this Red Letter Media fancomic.
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Is AI art any less ethical than taking money to draw fanart of intellectual property you don't own? Seems to me there should be a law that lets corporations levy fines against people who do that.
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super sweet best pal posted:Is AI art any less ethical than taking money to draw fanart of intellectual property you don't own? Seems to me there should be a law that lets corporations levy fines against people who do that. Also what about copying a dead artists style in some kind of sick "tribute"? That's theft
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machine learning has always been "do it wrong faster then adapt"
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projecthalaxy posted:Not at all. You're just reacting to new stimuli by demanding a rejection of them and a conservation of a possibly imagined more virtuous past. I'm just trying to figure out if that's 1950 or 1650. You are correct but you are forgetting that most everyone in this thread is culturally a market capitalist like this poster: Shady Amish Terror posted:Belatedly, it doesn't seem surprising that it's easy to antagonize people watching a career field that, for many of them, has involved decades of work, get pinched by capitalism and techbros doing capitalism and techbro things. They are already in it and getting exploited and discovering this is emotionally painful. They see something have its market value decreased and automatically assume its real value has as well. They see the market value of their products decrease and automatically assume their value as a human has as well. This market value as human value is ingrained as part of their capitalist culture and divorcing them from it is painful.
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Don't practice doing a fort night dance on your friends grave in front of them while they are dying of a terminal disease. It's rude.
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FFT posted:machine learning has always been "do it wrong faster then adapt" can't wait for the next ai winter so the computer fetishists will shut the hell up
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shrike82 posted:it's not an ad-hoc solution - chat-gpt explicitly has as part of its architecture a reward model and a reinforcement learning scheme which trains the model to rank possible generated responses. The Flesh betrayed by the Flesh. A tail old as time.
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Armadillo Tank posted:They see something have its market value decreased and automatically assume its real value has as well. 🥹
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Armadillo Tank posted:You are correct but you are forgetting that most everyone in this thread is culturally a market capitalist like this poster: Artists... the real capitalists... 
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