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15 | 3.71% |
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Slavvy posted:It was pretty unclear to us, on the sidelines. The Russians would've known right from the start it wasn't going to happen and was essentially a political gesture. idk if it's fair to call to a political gesture if they legitimately expected to just walk in and turn over the government. they figured they were dealing with the 2014-era Ukrainian military and they might have been right if they were e: vvvv yeah they didn't want to take it because they didn't think they'd have to speng31b has issued a correction as of 07:55 on Dec 18, 2022 |
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Russians didn't expect to take Kiev. They threatened it, negotiations started, russians pulled back, Ukrainians executed their own negotiator, now were coming up to a year of this thing. Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 07:57 on Dec 18, 2022 |
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Dec 18, 2022 07:53
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Slavvy posted:Saying they didn't take Kiev is disingenuous when it was clear that the whole exercise was as a threat ala Georgia and actually capturing it was never on the table to start with. I find it very doubtful that anyone involved seriously thought they could actually storm the city. One theory floated in C-SPAM was that Russia would or effectively already did encircle Kyiv, and the local population would turn on the Ukrainian army, preferring instead to be taken by Russia. Or food and ammo would simply run out in Kyiv despite still open supply lines, because of a refusal to believe press reports that the highways were still open. This might have been even more optimistic for Russian victory than Russia’s own theory past day 2 or so, but for some, hope sprang eternal.
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Dec 18, 2022 07:58
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Slavvy posted:Saying they didn't take Kiev is disingenuous when it was clear that the whole exercise was as a threat ala Georgia and actually capturing it was never on the table to start with. I find it very doubtful that anyone involved seriously thought they could actually storm the city. I imagine that the Russians thought Ukraine would fold like they did during 2014 and that the whole operation would be a walkover. If they expected the kind of resistance that they ran into then the forces and supplies that were allocated were completely inadequate.
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Dec 18, 2022 08:05
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mlmp08 posted:One theory floated in C-SPAM was that Russia would or effectively already did encircle Kyiv, and the local population would turn on the Ukrainian army, preferring instead to be taken by Russia. Or food and ammo would simply run out in Kyiv despite still open supply lines, because of a refusal to believe press reports that the highways were still open. This might have been even more optimistic for Russian victory than Russia’s own theory past day 2 or so, but for some, hope sprang eternal. There was a point when several highways were indeed cut (not all of them though) so it wasn’t necessarily an impossibility that the Russians could encircle the city as it was unclear what the Russians had in reserve (the infamous conga line). In the end, they didn’t but I don’t know if it was a indefensible call either in terms of future possibility. Basically though in reality the Russians didn’t have a broader game plan after that and even if they have brought in more reserves and cut the remaining highways, they would need far more forces to secure their supply lines. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 08:10 on Dec 18, 2022 |
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Dec 18, 2022 08:06
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Ardennes posted:There was a point when several highways were indeed cut (not all of them though) so it wasn’t necessarily an impossibility that the Russians could encircle the city as it was unclear what the Russians had in reserve (the infamous conga line). In the end, they didn’t but I don’t know if it was a indefensible call either in terms of future possibility. I don’t find it terribly weird that some people thought encirclement might occur one day to come. It was more the people insisting Kyiv was already surrounded before the end of February when there was plain video and non-state reporting of the most important routes still being open: highways west to Lviv and south to Odessa. It was weird to argue that Kyiv was surrounded when the 40 and 95 were open and running heavy traffic. It made me wonder what sources they consumed, as it was even more unfoundedly boisterous than literal Russian MoD reports of the situation.
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Dec 18, 2022 08:22
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mlmp08 posted:I don’t find it terribly weird that some people thought encirclement might occur one day to come. It was more the people insisting Kyiv was already surrounded before the end of February when there was plain video and non-state reporting of the most important routes still being open: highways west to Lviv and south to Odessa. It was weird to argue that Kyiv was surrounded when the 40 and 95 were open and running heavy traffic. In particular, the E40 West had tank battles occurring on it so and at least it was threatened in the east so I got to stop you there, but at very least nothing not close to 95 West at the high point of the assault. That said, it does really sound like you are bitter they were thinking too highly of the Russians beyond being wrong about “effective” encirclement. It is because some people just hate the United States and its proxies, what can I say?
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Dec 18, 2022 08:28
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Nah, more that it was weird that people believed and propagated claims that Russian formations were doing better than Russia ever claimed and made the assertion that Kyiv was encircled in February. I just wonder what accounts they follow to view and then believe such a warped version. Might explain some of the whiplash when it turned out to be untrue that Russia surrounded Kyiv, and it was impossible to deny it any longer.
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Dec 18, 2022 08:34
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Here we go again
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mlmp08 posted:Nah, more that it was weird that people believed and propagated claims that Russian formations were doing better than Russia ever claimed and made the assertion that Kyiv was encircled in February. I just wonder what accounts they follow to view and then believe such a warped version. Might explain some of the whiplash when it turned out to be untrue that Russia surrounded Kyiv, and it was impossible to deny it any longer. i think people just self selected towards the information that confirmed their bias, at the time almost everyone i knew (even or especially pro Ukraine people) were also convinced Russia was steamrolling Ukraine.
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Dec 18, 2022 08:36
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speng31b posted:i think people just self selected towards the information that confirmed their bias, at the time almost everyone i knew (even or especially pro Ukraine people) were also convinced Russia was steamrolling Ukraine. After it kicked off I expected the war to last maybe two weeks.
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Dec 18, 2022 09:03
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Cspam was assuming Kyiv supremacy when the russians really only had Kyiv superiority
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Dec 18, 2022 09:04
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Lostconfused posted:Orlan is just russian for sea eagle apparently. they're huge and downright intimating irl they just stare you down
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Dec 18, 2022 09:25
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has anyone made the mediocre "when they go Lwow we go high" joke yet?
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Dec 18, 2022 11:19
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January 6 Survivor posted:when they go Lwow we go HIMARS
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Dec 18, 2022 11:25
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Kiev in spring 22 has a lot more vulnerable weak points than in spring 23. They had what, half a million kids and old people they had no sustainable infrastructure to support. Now all these people have gone to Poland. And I am sure more households have some food rations and ramen stashed in their basement so the city will withstand encirclement a lot longer than 1 year ago. That's why Chinese military planners don't plan for the small war scenario with Taiwan or taking the outer islands, it's show hand or nothing.
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Dec 18, 2022 12:06
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on the other hand kiev in spring 2022 had a functioning power grid, which doesn't look to be the case in spring 2023
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Dec 18, 2022 12:17
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I doubt they're gonna go for Kiev when they don't even try to hit the leadership I'll believe they have the will to drive on Kiev again when they drop a missile on Zelensky. Until then its still at least partially a media circus.
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Dec 18, 2022 12:42
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Regarde Aduck posted:I doubt they're gonna go for Kiev when they don't even try to hit the leadership Hypersonic missile
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Dec 18, 2022 13:03
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thank you
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Dec 18, 2022 13:09
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lobster shirt posted:if the russians were able to credibly threaten lviv they would have to take over like 2/3 of ukraine and would basically have won the war already Sounds like they should do this imo
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Dec 18, 2022 13:14
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probably should have started with that plan before getting a lot of skilled troops killed
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Dec 18, 2022 13:24
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Regarde Aduck posted:I doubt they're gonna go for Kiev when they don't even try to hit the leadership unless you want a forever war, it's generally a poor idea to kill the people who can negotiate a peace
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Dec 18, 2022 13:30
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Cerebral Bore posted:unless you want a forever war, it's generally a poor idea to kill the people who can negotiate a peace i'd normally agree but the current administration is all in on endsieg an extremist ukrainian government combined with an US administration that can feel the waning of its empire is a very bad combination for this ever ending peacefully
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Dec 18, 2022 13:35
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mlmp08 posted:when MIC and military bands collide, it’s typically real bad lmao russia has commited so hard to doing the iraq war they even got their own toby keith
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Dec 18, 2022 13:37
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Cerebral Bore posted:unless you want a forever war, it's generally a poor idea to kill the people who can negotiate a peace Is he empowered to negotiate a peace or would the SBU disposition him the moment he even thought of jt
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Dec 18, 2022 13:47
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paul_soccer12 posted:Positive developments! Slava! lol deradicalization a.k.a. "Take off your swastika patches and quit throwing up the roman salute when cameras are around you idiots!"
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Dec 18, 2022 14:26
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lobster shirt posted:if the russians were able to credibly threaten lviv they would have to take over like 2/3 of ukraine and would basically have won the war already Maybe the Ukrainians are just trying to rile up Poland to get them involved, like when they shot Poland with a missile and blamed it on Russia.
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Dec 18, 2022 14:49
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Regarde Aduck posted:i'd normally agree but the current administration is all in on endsieg any alternative ukranian government wouldn't be any less extreme Isentropy posted:Is he empowered to negotiate a peace or would the SBU disposition him the moment he even thought of jt dunno, but he's the closest thing they got
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Dec 18, 2022 14:52
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Slava Bankman-Ukraini
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Maybe the Ukrainians are just trying to rile up Poland to get them involved, like when they shot Poland with a missile and blamed it on Russia. Their head of the armed forces said it was the only way they could win a war that went into 2023, so it’s a possibility Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 15:02 on Dec 18, 2022 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Slava Bankman-Ukraini Sucking Bandera Unendingly
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Dec 18, 2022 15:10
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gradenko_2000 posted:I could have taken Kyiv in February yeah you just need a 10 health unit and press capture for two turns.
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Dec 18, 2022 15:31
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Cerebral Bore posted:any alternative ukranian government wouldn't be any less extreme
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Dec 18, 2022 15:36
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Tankbuster posted:yeah you just need a 10 health unit and press capture for two turns. Lmao at not holding a capture point with a 10-model unit of Space Marines.
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Dec 18, 2022 15:52
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this war uses advance wars rules you dummy.
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Dec 18, 2022 16:03
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Dear Mr. Putin, I hope this letter finds you well. My name is Timmy and I am writing to you from Kingston. I have been learning about different countries and their militaries in school, and I am particularly interested in the Canadian Mechanized Brigade Groups (CMBGs). I have learned that CMBGs are a flexible and self-sufficient unit that can be deployed on a wide range of missions, including peacekeeping, peace enforcement, and high-intensity conflict. They are equipped with a mix of armored and non-armored vehicles, which allows them to operate in different terrain and weather conditions. They also have a mix of combat, combat support, and combat service support units, which enables them to sustain themselves and conduct a wide range of activities. I have also learned that Canadian doctrine and tactics are designed to be flexible and adaptable. Canadian forces place a strong emphasis on training and developing the skills of individual soldiers and small units, which allows them to operate effectively in a variety of situations. They also place a strong emphasis on working closely with other nations and organizations, which helps to build strong partnerships and enhance the effectiveness of joint operations. I think these are some really important advantages that the CMBGs and Canadian doctrine and tactics offer. I am writing to you to ask if Russia might consider reorganizing its ground forces along the lines of CMBGs and adopting some of the principles of Canadian doctrine and tactics. I understand that this is a complex and sensitive issue, and that ultimately it is up to the government of Russia to determine the most appropriate organizational structure and tactics for its own military forces based on its own national security needs and priorities. However, I hope that you will consider the potential benefits that CMBGs and Canadian doctrine and tactics could offer to Russia's military capabilities. Thank you for your time and attention. I look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Timmy
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Dec 18, 2022 16:09
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Majorian posted:Lmfao matter of time until ukrainian army uniforms are like nascar drivers and just covered with lockheed, rahtheon, bae logos and so on
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Dec 18, 2022 16:11
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Lostconfused posted:So then it actually doesn't matter if the Ukrainian government exists or not. no, it definitely does matter since there's a much better chance that the current government would sign a peace in the name of self-preservation than if the government consisted of a bunch of blood-gargling open nazis and if there is no government at all then it would be all but certain that russia would have to deal with an unknown number of blood-gargling nazi splinter groups for an indefinite period of time, which they pretty obviously wouldn't want
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Tankbuster posted:this war uses advance wars rules you dummy. putin's leader power is poo poo; he doesn't even know the health of his own units. sending 2hp tanks up against fresh mechs lol
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