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I mean, it's not like being a white nationalist is a crime or anything. Not like being a dirty leftist.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Aren't Secret Service agents subject to some of the most stringent background checks there are? Like if you were caught stealing a candy bar when you were 9, or you failed a history test they know about it before they hire you. Right, the people who hired them definitely knew about it.
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Murgos posted:“Ban the government from policing lawful speech”? Remember its all projection. It's to protect workers who get fired from being outed as racists online or in person while also jailing anyone who exposes the Trump organization for their corruption and fraud.
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https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1603846375250497536?s=46&t=VmU6fn3fV9FICN2hkXMw_w Monday (and/or Wednesday, when the full report is actually released) might get interesting.
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Dec 16, 2022 23:47
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Public hearing on Monday, too; from what I heard. Don't know what time or if public means televised. Monday will be a treat.
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Dec 16, 2022 23:50
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About. loving. Time.
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Well it is About loving Time. Now we can get on with waiting for Jack Smith to write the longest list of crimes in American history Efb
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Aren't Secret Service agents subject to some of the most stringent background checks there are? Like if you were caught stealing a candy bar when you were 9, or you failed a history test they know about it before they hire you. The Air Force gave me a juicy secret clearance without googling me first. I'm sure they checked my finances and criminal background. But they had no idea about any of the journalism I'd done, books, or the book that I had coming out in a few months that I was actively promoting at the time while off duty. An excerpt from the conversation that I had with my commander's CO Me: "That's a question for Penguin Random House," Him: "Penguin what?"
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Danknificent posted:The Air Force gave me a juicy secret clearance without googling me first. I'm sure they checked my finances and criminal background. But they had no idea about any of the journalism I'd done, books, or the book that I had coming out in a few months that I was actively promoting at the time while off duty. An excerpt from the conversation that I had with my commander's CO 
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Social media accounts are generally off limits for clearance investigations so they won't Google you. They focus on interviews with friends, families, coworkers, landlords, etc. to identify any potential inconsistencies or red flags in the data you give them in the SF-86. The other part is a credit check and whatever else they have to do to check on things like gambling debts. If you have anything else of relevance you're supposed to bring it up ahead of time, not let them find out about it later.
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That does not sound like an ideal way to, for example, hire a loving body man for the President of the United Goddamn States. vvvv that's fair enough vvvv mdemone fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Dec 17, 2022 |
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Dec 17, 2022 00:32
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Well Secret clearances are fairly routine and not remotely related to how Secret Service personnel are vetted.
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Tiny Timbs posted:Social media accounts are generally off limits for clearance investigations so they won't Google you. They focus on interviews with friends, families, coworkers, landlords, etc. to identify any potential inconsistencies or red flags in the data you give them in the SF-86. The other part is a credit check and whatever else they have to do to check on things like gambling debts. If you have anything else of relevance you're supposed to bring it up ahead of time, not let them find out about it later. I briefly held* a clearance back in the mid-2000s so just when social media was getting started, and the process was pretty much as you describe here. Had to submit a list of references for interview along with other information. *Well, I think I did. The process took longer than the job itself lasted (I was contracting with a big federal agency) and by the time I left it hadn't finished yet.
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They will definitely show up and question the folks you reference.
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Tiny Timbs posted:Social media accounts are generally off limits for clearance investigations so they won't Google you. They focus on interviews with friends, families, coworkers, landlords, etc. to identify any potential inconsistencies or red flags in the data you give them in the SF-86. The other part is a credit check and whatever else they have to do to check on things like gambling debts. If you have anything else of relevance you're supposed to bring it up ahead of time, not let them find out about it later. Says who? I've helped roommates with clearance paperwork that explicitly asked about social media activity. And everything I've seen on Google says they can absolutely check out your Facebook or whatever quote:The guidelines make clear that agencies can target publicly available social media posts, if they deem it necessary, but cannot force individuals to hand over their passwords for private accounts, or provide pseudonyms for any profiles. Source: https://www.nationalguard.mil
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iirc a significant set of security clearance work, possibly per agency, is contracted out, and there was a scandal 2 or so years ago that one firm was just...not doing 'em.
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Youth Decay posted:https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1603846375250497536?s=46&t=VmU6fn3fV9FICN2hkXMw_w Mmm, insurrection. That's spicier than I was expecting them to go, but presumably they're looking to invoke the 14th amendment's disqualification clause.
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Discendo Vox posted:iirc a significant set of security clearance work, possibly per agency, is contracted out, and there was a scandal 2 or so years ago that one firm was just...not doing 'em. I’ve been visited twice for the clearances of friends (and had half dozen friends visited for mine in the past). It was noticeable when it went from FBI to contractors.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:I’ve been visited twice for the clearances of friends (and had half dozen friends visited for mine in the past). It was noticeable when it went from FBI to contractors. Yep! I've been interviewed multiple times for friends of mine from the military and the difference was jarring.
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SalTheBard posted:Yep! I've been interviewed multiple times for friends of mine from the military and the difference was jarring.
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The contractors are less thorough than the FBI
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Discendo Vox posted:iirc a significant set of security clearance work, possibly per agency, is contracted out, and there was a scandal 2 or so years ago that one firm was just...not doing 'em. One more thing here, it’s highly dependent on the agency and even the specific compartments requesting the check on what questions are asked and how thorough the investigation is. A program with specific needs can (and frequently do) reject other agencies, and even their own agencies clearances at the same level done with a different processes.
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jarlywarly posted:Homelander.jpg https://twitter.com/voughtintl/status/1603499559937642496?s=46&t=61qUBD7T_QCQ5MhVg-OmVw
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They love to pretend they are real Fed’s too and they get a little dejected if you ask to see the credentials they flash at you and comment on it. When you fill out the forms you list family, friends, etc. those people get interviewed. The big question is along the lines of has so and so ever been part of a conspiracy or an attempt to over throw the government of the United States.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/12/17/sarasota-florida-far-right/ So the town I grew up in is becoming a right wing compound kindof place. This is just a few miles from the trailer park I grew up in. This is across from the Carlton reserve . You can’t get to it driving down to the end of River Road at I75 but that’s real close to where it is. Tacky rear end Royal palms golf course looking poo poo. This is palmetto bush and live / scrub oak land, near swamp really. Eventually it’ll all flood atleast. Growing up Dan Miller was my rep. Tangentially I knew people involved in GOP politics 20-30 years because they were involved in the community. It’s really kindof stunning to see what this is now, knowing all the details of what it was before. Apparently this Mellon guy “knocked on the doors” of the capital on Jan 6 but didn’t go in. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Dec 18, 2022 |
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mdemone posted:Yeah I know there's a state case but I had assumed (obv without reason) that GA was only a state crime. As I understand, the fake electors in GA is a federal crime, the pressuring Raffensburger to find votes is a state crime.
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V-Men posted:As I understand, the fake electors in GA is a federal crime, the pressuring Raffensburger to find votes is a state crime. Ooohhhh that's right the alternate slate idiots. I totally loving forgot about them, in the onslaught of crimes
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mdemone posted:Ooohhhh that's right the alternate slate idiots. I totally loving forgot about them, in the onslaught of crimes This is making me realize that somewhere in the DoJ, there is probably a spreadsheet of trumpcrimes.xlsm.
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Xiahou Dun posted:This is making me realize that somewhere in the DoJ, there is probably a spreadsheet of trumpcrimes.xlsm. I kinda always pictured it as a supply closet door labeled "TRUMP CRIMES," that's so comically overfull that it's bulging against its frame and sheets of paper describing various crimes are already leaking out around the edges.
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Xiahou Dun posted:This is making me realize that somewhere in the DoJ, there is probably a spreadsheet of trumpcrimes.xlsm. 
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Well duh, that's it's an .xlsm. You need macro support for log scaling.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Says who? I've helped roommates with clearance paperwork that explicitly asked about social media activity. And everything I've seen on Google says they can absolutely check out your Facebook or whatever And though they can't compel you to hand over access or anything, they can (and will, depending on how much a contractor may care) ask you about it and your answers matter. If you're not forthright and honest about what's in your social media, public or private, that's not going to help your application. They may not ask about everything, but the stuff they do ask about you have to be honest about. At least that's how it's supposed to work.
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We have the final live hearing to watch at 1pm EST. I'm here for it. I think the most important thing the J6 Cmte. did was address the Big Lie head on from day one. I know it hasn't moved the needle much among voting Repubs but Dobbs sure did. I don't think we will get the actual criminal referrals today, I think they will be in the report due out Wednesday; but who knows? We're about to find out.
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Less than 16 minutes to go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5olnF549kNE
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Oooooh learning about witness tampering now.
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Madkal posted:Did we know that Trumps allies tried to make fake ballots? I know they tried to get fake electors in Georgia, not sure about the other states, but I think it actually being on paper and sent to government officials is new info.
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