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PITY BONER posted:If the rest of the world is an example, schools will be hemorrhaging teachers, and kids will be stuck with professional babysitters that aren't even qualified for substitute roles (not just dancing laowai, lol). I've seen and heard that that quite a few Chinese believe that if they just get covid over with then it's just a one-and-done kind of thing and they'll be immune, Reminds me of chicken pox parties....and that time the kids gave their parents herpes on south park
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god please help me posted:Wait, why is after-school tutoring not a thing anymore? It's been a couple of years since I've been in the game, but isn't tutoring one of the most lucrative jobs you can get in Asia (as a foreigner)? They (mostly) gone. It's actual teachers (kinda) only.
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Forceholy posted:A lot of Admins are banking on the fact that less restrictions will mean that China will be an attractive place to teach at again, which lol at Xi and Co not just taking an ax to the private school industry once and for all in a few years I don't think anywhere in the world is an attractive place to teach right now, on account of all the disease and death, and that seems unlikely to change unless we collectively get a handle on the virus situation. But I do think that relative covid safety was one of the major factors keeping the children of the rich in the country despite the educational reforms, and that just disappeared, so...
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god please help me posted:Wait, why is after-school tutoring not a thing anymore? It's been a couple of years since I've been in the game, but isn't tutoring one of the most lucrative jobs you can get in Asia (as a foreigner)? The CCP decided to gut the in-person-and-online tutoring and training center industry overnight. The teach-English-online sphere that tons of people relied on for extra cash or to digital nomad with imploded and will never recover because China made up like 90% of that market. The in-person market also imploded, and thousands of IRL shops closed up and went out of business immediately. Due to weird loopholes and laxity in enforcement, some of them have remained open under different terms (learning English through cooking lessons, or gaokao cramming while doing "hobbies"). Part of the reason why, AFAIK, was due to wanting to tighten up the scrutiny about what ideas kids were allowed to be exposed to (especially in the case of the foreigner jobs). This coincided with new rules and curricula Chinese in schools that were even more nationalistic than before, including teaching Xi Jinping Thought in class. Afterschool in-home tutoring, while always illegal by visa rules, became very illegal, and I think there was a tattle system set up to catch both foreigners and locals alike. Changed/expanded rules affected foreigners in new, arbitrarily enforced ways, such as having CCP lackeys sit in the back of the classroom to make sure nobody says anything unpatriotic or even tries to mention a foreign country at all unless it's related to how much better China is than it, or having to get the lackeys to pre-approve lesson plans, and so on. International schools, which once had a lot more freedom in curricula and lessons, were given a bunch of restrictions that limited their scope and required them to include more CCP-approved propaganda lessons. IIRC, if just one Chinese passport holder attended an international school then it was required to oblige with a bunch of CCP red tape that it never had to deal with before. All this was done under the guise of the most deadpan "won't somebody think of the children?!??!???!" message, but the reality was more so about tightening ideological control on the new generation than anything else. The tutoring and training center industry was unregulated, and kids and adults could learn all sort of stuff that wasn't on the "ok" list. The CCP had no say in what was allowed to be said in those spaces. The government had no idea if kids were being indoctrinated with foreign or anti-CCP ideas that would lead to unrest in society, and the usual paranoia arguments. The easiest solution was to kill the tutoring industry and increase control in all schools, where the CCP had full right and power to decide what kids thought and what teachers said. Now, if a foreigner wants to give a 3-minute talk on the history of pizza, he/she'll be drat sure to be told to gently caress off because everyone knows Marco Polo stole pizza from Chinese, who invented pizza long before tomatoes ever came from the New World. It just means teaching in China (as a foreigner) will get more difficult over time, and the students more smarmy and xenophobic as well. Good luck teaching a generation that resents you for being different and from a different place. I mean, that was already the case, but more so now and over time. Atlas Hugged posted:The keeping up with the Joneses attitude of education across large swaths of Asia is loving awful for children and it is legit one of the best things that Xi ever did.
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PITY BONER posted:It is really bad, but can we stop thinking of the children and for once think of every poor sap foreigner that sold his/her soul to work in a hagwon, buxiban, eikawa, Uncle Sam English, and so on? Pour one out for the fallen homies. I mean... the ones that were actually qualified seem to still be doing alright, and the ones who could only work at those places, what did they expect?
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As I've remarked before, the particular kind of gesture is not new regionally:ronya posted:All the countries with a cram school culture periodically have spasms of moral panic about it: South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc. there is no particular reason to think that China's ban will be any more effective, with a multitude of evasion techniques like buying online tutoring notionally from Singapore or Hong Kong (yet taught by teachers in Shanghai intimately familiar with the domestic curriculum), or hiring mysteriously overeducated ayis who advertise their Tsinghua or US Ivy educations rather than facility with a mop ronya fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Dec 19, 2022 |
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This is absolutely wild to me hearing that an entire industry got shut down, and for really dumb reasons that are aimed at keeping kids from getting any source of information that is not highly doctrinal. Goddamn, I hate Xi Jinping and fascism so much.
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god please help me posted:This is absolutely wild to me hearing that an entire industry got shut down, and for really dumb reasons that are aimed at keeping kids from getting any source of information that is not highly doctrinal. Goddamn, I hate Xi Jinping and fascism so much. Eh, to be fair, 90% that entire industry was a colossal open-sewer ripoff, and it's good thing it's gone. I don't think it would have happened *without* the motivation of "we can increase our control over the curriculum", and that increased control is definitely real and very thought-control-y, but there were some excellent reasons alongside the dumb ones. I guess the mistake the industry made was to piss off both the nationalist/control factions and the utopian/development factions at the same time, which... can't be easy.
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NYY article on the sudden end of zero covid. gift article so the URL is a loving mess: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/19/...&smid=share-url
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god please help me posted:This is absolutely wild to me hearing that an entire industry got shut down, and for really dumb reasons that are aimed at keeping kids from getting any source of information that is not highly doctrinal. Goddamn, I hate Xi Jinping and fascism so much. I think you'll find that Xi Dada is communist, comrade.
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It wasn’t entirely for dumb reasons; people sincerely do worry about the cram culture. It’s just that people are also acutely aware that there isn’t much of a safety net, and educational success is a very reliable safeguard against a miserably poor old age, and so the moment the ban get passed it gets circumvented. You could draw a parallel to Prohibition in the US: everyone agrees that wide scale public drunkenness is a problem, but demand isn’t going away so the actual effect is that the legit companies get shut down, scammers and grey marketeers proliferate and eventually it probably gets dropped because if people are widely ignoring one law, they might start wondering what other laws they don’t need to worry so much about.
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the politics of it is pretty general and applies all over East Asia: the intelligentsia of the teacher's unions, journalists, humanities-linked activists etc. overwhelmingly passionately despise the 'shadow education sector' of supplementary private tutoring. Without speculating why, this is pretty clearly the case. when these countries were authoritarian, making concessions on this pulls them away from the dissident camp at low cost. It has remarkably little effect on the aspirational middle class's ability to access tutoring (semi-legally or otherwise), but it is still a bugbear for a dissident camp that struggles, at least a little, with the knowledge that democratization would render any government unable to impose a notional prohibition. When swinging a restive teacher's union is critical, these things matter.
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Don't have any personal experience with china, only reading the thread for a few years, but what do you guys think is the current master plan for the corona measure reversal? It seems slightly bewildering how the government went from super lockdown mode to what sounds like completely unrestricted infection of the entire populace seemingly overnight. Is this some "you guys dared to protest so now we'll show you what happens when you try to know better than the party" or just a bunch of knee jerk reactions that are going poorly?
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It’s because they were losing the containment battle against omicron and had the choice of another Shanghai style lockdown except this time nationwide (or at least in large parts of the country), or throwing in the towel while framing throwing in the towel as the Good, Wise, and Scientifically Correct decision of the Party.
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I mean, Taiwan is also in a bad place right now because after three years and the rest of the world largely not giving a poo poo, people are exhausted and would rather chance the virus than go through more isolation and quarantine. I certainly don't think it good that China and Taiwan more or less simultaneously gave up, but I also am pretty empathetic to regular people who followed the rules, did what they were supposed to, and still got completely hosed one way or the other, or more likely multiple ways.
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Taiwan's post-reopening case wave peaked in May with 90,000 cases and 200-ish deaths daily. It did not overload hospital capacity due to a rapid shift to decanting positive asymptomatic cases into home isolation... the mainland T1 cities seem to be in quite another degree of situation presently
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Son of Rodney posted:Don't have any personal experience with china, only reading the thread for a few years, but what do you guys think is the current master plan for the corona measure reversal? It seems slightly bewildering how the government went from super lockdown mode to what sounds like completely unrestricted infection of the entire populace seemingly overnight. Is this some "you guys dared to protest so now we'll show you what happens when you try to know better than the party" or just a bunch of knee jerk reactions that are going poorly? Information and videos are trickling out of the Weibo-sphere, though. https://twitter.com/IHME_UW/status/1604899362617888807 Tankie take: "Uncle Xi has made a benevolent decision. This is good for younger families, who cannot shoulder the burden of paying and caring for an elderly family member during the economic downturn." Feigl-Ding loves screeching, blowing everything out of proportion, and doom posting, but this is a decent recap of the past week in China. https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1604748747640119296 Strategic Tea posted:Chabudemic
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PITY BONER posted:Feigl-Ding loves screeching, blowing everything out of proportion, and doom posting, but this is a decent recap of the past week in China.
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Cugel the Clever posted:What's the deal with this guy, anyways? He's got my mom still terrified beyond due reason that Covid is going to burst in at night with a hockey mask and a chainsaw—just ludicrously more sensational than any other medical professional. No, he's not, he's a milquetoast Biden supporter and his source in the above tweet is just CIA sponsored Falon Gong. He's a US sponsored journalist through and through. His role just happens to take the rare (correct) side that COVID's danger is being underplayed, not overplayed. Your mom is right and I hope no one ever successfully infects her.
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The CIA successfully infected me with covid so I'm drinking lots of hot water to keep healthy. Should I have the fan blowing on me to blow the virus particles away? My partner says it's a bad idea and it'll just stir up and recirculate the virus particles so we'll never get better because we keep getting reinfected.
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Booty Pageant posted:word on the wechat is people in gz only coming off with slight symptoms and recovering in a week, meanwhile shanghai人 getting dealt to with super covid. years worth of eating everything and anything that isn't a table or plane finally paying off?? Tricky to say when there's no overall data, and probably never will be publicly, but I'd be more inclined to believe that if there are consistent serious differences in symptoms between regions, it's strain differences rather than population differences. Although I guess demographic stuff like average age might be relevant?
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Booty Pageant posted:word on the wechat is people in gz only coming off with slight symptoms and recovering in a week, meanwhile shanghai人 getting dealt to with super covid. years worth of eating everything and anything that isn't a table or plane finally paying off?? Who knows. Though anecdotally, everyone I know who has had covid (which at this point is in the hundreds, but not me!) is in the former group. Couple lovely days then fine, especially with Pax. The only two severe cases I've heard about IRL were pre-vaccine.
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There are more differences in symptom progression at the "family/friend circle" scale than at the regional scale. The latter is an illusion; it's the former. Because everywhere has a roughly similar distribution of strains right now, and they're all severe (it's right there in the name). Everyone who catches COVID every time has maybe a one in 20 chance of having it be so immediately serious that they just drop out of society sick for a while or forever. You tend to hear less from them. But the other 19 in 20 lucks out and only feels it a little.... little that's immediate or quick anyway, little that they notice or blame the infection for, little this time. Guess which group is louder. It's random luck in any group of people whether they say "it feels horrible" or "it's mild, come try it out and be cool'. The randomness of voices doesn't go away at the larger regional level. maxwellhill fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Dec 20, 2022 |
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maxwellhill posted:There are more differences in symptom progression at the "family/friend circle" scale than at the regional scale. The latter is an illusion; it's the former. Because everywhere has a roughly similar distribution of strains right now, and they're all severe (it's right there in the name). You're right that there are a lot more minor cases but I think the family and friends of people with severe/fatal cases are plenty loud. It really doesn't matter much because it's all anecdotal and we rely on centralized statistics that in china are always going to be suspect.
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Anecdotal, but a gently caress ton of people in Taiwan I know have it right now, including the people I'm staying with. No one seems to be on death's door, but it's super not cool to have walked right into it. I feel like current and ongoing cases in Taiwan are seriously underreported, but no it's not overloading the hospitals.
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Atlas Hugged posted:The keeping up with the Joneses attitude of education across large swaths of Asia is loving awful for children and it is legit one of the best things that Xi ever did. Correct, but banning private-sector tutoring is just masking a symptom instead of the root causes of why there's so much demand for it
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