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I hate to think about who would actually want to be Musk's direct report at Twitter right now
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nine-gear crow posted:https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1604631246470287360 Elon Musk has done something amazing - he's brought the Qutari royals and Saudi royals together in saying that he's a loving moron who couldn't manage to get out of a wet paper bag, let alone a multi-national company.
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 03:52 |
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If someone predicted musk would have collapsed twitter by now, I consider that prediction correct, because he's absolutely trashed the platform's advertiser and merchant relations and murdered the whole system of revenue appeal that brings in the cash you need to run the servers and keep the lights on, and, yknow, all that. It's very clearly already on life support that not even musk can sustain so he obviously already trying to find an out That's on top of the already well talked about thing where he's cut the service maintenance to the bone and eventually you'll start having cascade failures related to that A lot of work had to go into maintaining twitter's ecosystem in a way that kept it appealing to real users. If you remove the staff with the competencies necessary to manage this, which he totally did, then toxic issues and bot networks start running out of control and degrade the user experience so bad that real content creators and conversation starters leave, which increases the percentage of toxic poo poo you wade through to get entertainment, which causes more positive elements to leave, and on it goes in a terminal feedback loop (see also: why facebook is already dead (nani??))
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 04:03 |
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Maybe Donald Trump can be CEO, he’s currently available.
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Mizaq posted:Maybe Donald Trump can be CEO, he’s currently available.
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 05:09 |
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Technical Analysis posted:If I used Twitter, I'd vote no. He bought this ship, he can sink with it. I have one I just use to save old tweets so they're easier to find but this is why I did. Also if he really does ban everybody who voted yes I can sell my Voted 1 account for some serious dough edit - oh yeah and a 2nd one for Switch screenshot sharing. Could be a real windfall.
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 05:18 |
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Paracaidas posted:Unlikely. Given his stake in Truth Social it'd be a real conflict of pinterest. I am mildly impressed that the man has not tweeted or seemingly even logged into his Twitter account since being reinstated, so the final tweet of Donald John Trump, former and possibly future President of the United States remains him saltily proclaiming that he would not be attending Joe Biden's inauguration, especially given that he'd tried to engineer the murder of a large number of people who'd otherwise also be in attendance of the event just days earlier.
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nine-gear crow posted:https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1604631246470287360 People are forgetting that the Saudis already got the money, it's Musk who's holding the bag. They sold him Twitter on money they loaned him, at interest, and for more than it was actually worth because he wasn't thinking clearly since Chelsea Manning cucked him. They leveraged him but they don't really care about Twitter that much because they got their money, one way or another. As the Raisini post mentioned, he's asking for more money to get him out of his Twitter bind, because he needs to fix what he's broke to sell it and get back to Tesla to keep the shareholders there from revolting from the overvalued stock contracting.
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 05:53 |
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nine-gear crow posted:I am mildly impressed that the man has not tweeted or seemingly even logged into his Twitter account since being reinstated, so the final tweet of Donald John Trump, former and possibly future President of the United States remains him saltily proclaiming that he would not be attending Joe Biden's inauguration, especially given that he'd tried to engineer the murder of a large number of people who'd otherwise also be in attendance of the event just days earlier. I'm curious if he's bitter about being banned in the first place, or if someone convinced him to stay off of it or risk compounding his legal issues. Or just deleted the app and prevented him from finding out he's been unbanned.
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 06:09 |
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Trump having the fortitude to withstand the siren song of Twitter compared to several other online brains is... something.
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 06:18 |
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Allegedly he has a contract that ties him to Truth Social, so that is part of why he's not on Twitter
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nine-gear crow posted:https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1604631246470287360 Are we sure this Raisini guy knows what he's talking about? He seems rich, but is he "hanging out within earshot of Elon Musk and Saudi royalty" levels of rich? Hell, I don't think he even went to Qatar. Also, he's extremely online, extremely obsessed with hating Elon Musk, and from time to time tweets clearly fake stuff in what I can only assume is some kind of bit: https://twitter.com/iamraisini/status/1604464983630548992 Mizaq posted:Maybe Donald Trump can be CEO, he’s currently available. The only way Trump would take an offer like that is if Musk got down on his hands and knees and begged him, preferably in public. He dislikes Musk, and no doubt derives immense psychic satisfaction from leaving Musk hanging like this. Elon's paying the price now for cutting ties with Trump back during his presidency.
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 06:19 |
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Judgy Fucker posted:Locals are given topical authority in all the regional DnD threads, why is this joker allowed to talk to Americans like they know this place better than we do? "Americans are benevolently ignorant about Canada, while Canadians are malevolently well informed about the United States."
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GoutPatrol posted:Trump having the fortitude to withstand the siren song of Twitter compared to several other online brains is... something. If there is one thing that ol' Donny is top level at, it's holding spiteful grudges. In the 80s a guy wrote that Trump has small hands. Apparently to this day the guy will receive faxes and letters of pictures of Trump with the hands circled and the sharpie drawn comment that they're large hands. Never underestimate Trump's ability to hold his breath until he passes out due to sure petulance.
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Main Paineframe posted:Are we sure this Raisini guy knows what he's talking about? He seems rich, but is he "hanging out within earshot of Elon Musk and Saudi royalty" levels of rich? Hell, I don't think he even went to Qatar. He was the guy who posted the photos of Elon at the World Cup as well as meeting with Erdogan, so maybe? Young Freud posted:Before anyone asks about this Raisini guy, he's the guy who provided all those photos of Musk at the World Cup, so "overhearing Musk getting shot down by the Saudis, the Amir of Qatar, and probably Erdogan" probably definitely happened...
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 06:34 |
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At least one of the photos is cropped to partially obscure a watermark. The account is just re-circulating photos from other accounts without attribution afaict. edit: This appears to be the original, though not the original source. The original source looks to be https://twitter.com/gundemedairhs https://twitter.com/yunuspaksoy/status/1604549472473829378 Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Dec 19, 2022 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:Allegedly he has a contract that ties him to Truth Social, so that is part of why he's not on Twitter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iNaR1ie7YA
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 07:07 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:Allegedly he has a contract that ties him to Truth Social, so that is part of why he's not on Twitter Since when has Trump cared about contracts or rules?
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 07:58 |
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I agree, I think it's more likely that he doesn't want to accept a hand-out from Musk. It'd make him look like a loser who needs help, as opposed to a winner who doesn't even need Twitter. Plain old stubbornness.
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 08:27 |
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IIRC he also owns a huge stake in truth social so that’s probably part of it too
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 11:06 |
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christmas boots posted:IIRC he also owns a huge stake in truth social so that’s probably part of it too So the solution is for the two to merge!
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 11:21 |
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It's not like Trump really needs to be on Twitter at this point. 2016 was a very different time in social media (Twitter was still perceived as something that mattered and coverage of social media was fawning), and his magic power to hold the media's attention through tweets diminished when he did it 50+ times per day for years.
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 11:44 |
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Clarste posted:I agree, I think it's more likely that he doesn't want to accept a hand-out from Musk. It'd make him look like a loser who needs help, as opposed to a winner who doesn't even need Twitter. Plain old stubbornness. Anger and spite are the major overrides in Trump's life. They are the only reasons he will not do something, just as much as they are the reasons he does do things. In this case, he is refusing to tweet purely to spite both Twitter itself and Elon Musk personally. That's it. Remember, the man is a mental 3 year old. Asses him accordingly.
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 12:18 |
The conversation has moved on but I'd like to say something as one of those computer touchers who has a stake of some kind in having predicted Twitter's collapse by now. I want to understand why it hasn't. Every software system has similarities with others, but all systems are also very different in many ways. Some systems have good CI/CD pipelines and redundancy that keep them alive as load increases or during catastrophic failures for example, and some don't. From outside we don't know whether Twitter is a well-run and well-designed system or a terrible one, until we see how it responds to breakage and outages. It's a "black box" in that way, meaning that the only way we find out information about the system is by poking it and seeing how it reacts. Without that experimental information all we have is "this is what it looks like when it's working", which tells us very little about its underlying structure or resiliency. So yes, it seemed obvious to a lot of software type people that Twitter would crash and burn very quickly, and the fact that it hasn't (which is arguable, because things definitely have degraded, just in weird ways that we didn't really predict, like trending topics being full of garbage or crypto scam bots overrunning DMs, which is also a piece of interesting information) is perplexing. It seems like a failure of that prediction and a case of developers showing their collective asses. But only if you choose to see it that way. Now, I'm hardly an uninterested party here; but I would argue that what we're finding out about how Twitter is responding to Elon's meddling is telling us a ton of stuff about the system's structure and preexisting safeguards, i.e. just how well-built it actually was before he ever got involved. Seeing each new "feature" he's rolled out also tells us something new. In particular what it tells me is that there are only certain kinds of "features" that he's even capable of rolling out; and those features seem to be little more than twiddling knobs on an admin panel, mucking with settings that already were there and developed as features for admins to use years ago. He's turning off whole subsystems and cranking up others. But there isn't anything substantive he's actually created from whole cloth. He's changed the color of some of the checkmarks and adjusted some text here and there and removed the device identification from tweets and so on, but those are CMS changes — i.e. not even "software" changes per se, really just tweaking templates and modifying data in a database. These changes don't require actual development effort or successful pipeline pushes to production, which I would still be very surprised to find out they're capable of doing anymore with the remaining skeleton crew. I would argue that all Elon's able to do really is gently caress around with settings and make stylesheet changes, probably not properly using the CI/CD infrastructure, maybe even doing whatever the equivalent is in Twitter's system of manually editing files in production. Which you can get away with for a long time. It just makes it increasingly impossible to maintain or get back under any kind of control. All the resiliency Twitter's engineers had built up is being tested and chipped away at, like a Jenga tower, and eventually the right block will get pulled out and the whole thing will collapse. And each new button or knob that gets tweaked tells us more about what the Jenga tower actually looks like, how sturdy it is. To try to summarize all this, I would liken Twitter to Something Awful, which as we all know has hobbled along for decades on a patchwork of terrible Radium code, and yet has somehow managed to be one of the most resilient sites around. Any developer who's ever drawn a paycheck would look at SA and immediately predict that it would implode as soon as you looked away from it. But they'd be wrong. That doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about, or that SA isn't on track to self-destruct without some serious rework by astral and pay-down of 20 years of tech debt. It doesn't mean Radium is some kind of savant genius god who ought to be given credit for having built one heck of an edifice. Quite the opposite. It's difficult to express why that is, in lay terms, but that's what is going on here in the case of Twitter too.
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Data Graham posted:The conversation has moved on but I'd like to say something as one of those computer touchers who has a stake of some kind in having predicted Twitter's collapse by now. Not that kind of computer toucher(call center poo poo for state) but i suspect its because its just big and has enough failsafes that its kinda just keeps going through inertia. like i doubt it will ever CRASH crash but my guess is the more stupid unpopular poo poo musk. the more folks will leave. the thing is now trumps pissing off the people who keep twitter active, content creators. artists, porn, etc with his stupid "don't post links to other sites" poo poo. i could see alot of them packing up and moving to different places. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Dec 19, 2022 |
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In lay terms? Twitter had built redundancies and catch-falls to meet the needs of an an always-on service. As noted upthread, Musk has been rearranging deck chairs to his whim. The trick comes when they try to change major internal interactions in the underlying code or develop for any emergent technology. Death by bloat or by change could be a thing, but it would appear that part of Twitter's success before Musk was, at the least, a sturdy platform to build on.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Not that kind of computer toucher(call center poo poo for state) but i suspect its because its just big and has enough failsafes that its kinda just keeps going through inertia. The "don't post links to other sites" policy was overturned after he received input from The Quartering, of all people. https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1604617776307400704?s=20&t=mNVspKtWJUlYdNb4SBQUCg
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Rust Martialis posted:"Americans are benevolently ignorant about Canada, while Canadians are malevolently well informed about the United States." I lived in Canada for years, it's more like "Canadians think they are..."
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 16:02 |
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WaPo has a huge and bonkers story about what has been going on at Mar-a-Lago since Trump left office and how it is now the unofficial campaign headquarters. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1604846522281009152 It includes details on how he ended up being investigated by the DOJ and how many times they tried to give him a chance to fix it before they raided it. The whole thing is definitely worth a read because you get the full sense of what is going on that is even crazier than just the bullet points. Some of the highlights: - A former cook and military valet at the White House left government service to become Trump's unofficial Chief of Staff. - Almost all of his former staff quit and now only the craziest and sycophantic people work for him. - Trump built a brand new office and decorated it to try and replicate the Oval Office from when he was President - including making fake versions of famous busts and paintings he wasn't allowed to take. - He hired Natalie Harp, who was a host on One America News, to follow him around with a laptop and printer to print out positive articles about him to read while golfing. - He has an assistant that is in charge of scheduling his friends to call him with affirming messages: quote:On some quiet days, another aide, Molly Michael, who served as Trump’s assistant in the White House, has called around to Trump’s network of allies across the country requesting that they dial the former president to boost his spirits with positive affirmations. - The unofficial 2024 campaign HQ has no permanently employed advisors or strategists there. Instead, the campaign just contracts out advisors who fly in for a day or two when he wants to talk. - Trump has tried to get every government agency - from the GSA and National Archives to the Secret Service - to pay rent or fund the costs of Mar-a-Lago as an active "Office of the ex-President" because of the Oval Office recreation/workspace he created there. - Trump initially kept the classified documents he took in a storage unit in Crystal City, VA with just a padlock on it. They were eventually moved to a storage unit in Florida and Mar-a-Lago after 6 months. -He has no set schedule. He just fundraises, plays golf, and takes phone calls at random during the day. - Staff are concerned that nobody is there to tell him "no" anymore and that he furiously swaps from being obsessed with fundraising, to complaining about 2020, and trying to get media coverage every few days with no plan and is furious at staff when they can't make things happen. - Trump asked the GSA to lease space in Mar-a-Lago for the rest of his life (they declined). - Trump tried multiple times to summon press pools for his announcements, but had to be told that the White House Press Corps wouldn't fly down to Florida for him and they didn't have a dedicated group of reporters hanging out at Mar-a-Lago. - Trump still has no plans to set up a Presidential Library because he insists that setting one up implies that he was legitimately removed from office. - He misses his diet coke button from the White House. - Mar-a-Lago was letting people in to meet Trump and access rooms where the Top Secret documents were stored by using credit cards or work badges instead of ID when they forgot to bring ID. - Trump instructed the Secret Service to not search or make Mar-a-Lago club members go through a metal detector because "everyone coming there loves me." quote:“The members need to be able to come and go,” according to someone familiar with the exchange. He has told advisers that security is not a problem since everyone visiting the club loves him. - Trump still plans to use Mar-a-Lago as a campaign HQ and only keep a small number of loyal staff working for him. He plans to just let his official campaign operate on auto-pilot until he gets some idea and then have them implement it before going back to auto-pilot. - Kanye West's entourage was able to just walk in to Mar-a-Lago and set up a table for him because the gate was open and nobody was posted there. quote:How Trump jettisoned restraints at Mar-a-Lago and prompted legal peril Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Dec 19, 2022 |
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I lived in Canada for years, it's more like "Canadians think they are..." And DarkCrawler isn't a Canadian, they're Finnish, so I don't even know what the point of that Canadians-know-America comment was
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 16:09 |
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The diet coke button was real?
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 16:14 |
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wasn't there some reference to an ex-President on The West Wing who sadly hung around his replica Oval Office in his presidential library?
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 16:18 |
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I AM GRANDO posted:The diet coke button was real? The diet coke button was real . As was the ketchup on the wall and the handsome footballers hamberder party. Plus Trump spelling the word "hamberders". That was also real. The Gorilla Channel wasn't real, but it might as well be, because Trump fast forwarding through his favorite movie Bloodsport to get to the fighting was real
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 16:20 |
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Young Freud posted:People are forgetting that the Saudis already got the money, it's Musk who's holding the bag. They sold him Twitter on money they loaned him, at interest, and for more than it was actually worth because he wasn't thinking clearly since Chelsea Manning cucked him. They leveraged him but they don't really care about Twitter that much because they got their money, one way or another. the saudis rolled over their stake in twitter into twitter2.0 this was not a wise move
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 16:21 |
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I AM GRANDO posted:The diet coke button was real? Surely Trump could get one rigged up at mar-a-lago, what's the hold up?
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# ? Dec 19, 2022 16:22 |
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I AM GRANDO posted:The diet coke button was real? There is a Presidential Call button (with multiple buttons) to summon aides that was installed during the Lyndon Johnson Presidency. Johnson originally used it to summon his advisors to the Oval Office or Cabinet Room and one of the buttons was to the White House kitchen to bring up Fresca. There is a whole long history of the button: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_call_button#Donald_Trump_presidency Eventually, the button kind of fell out of use as phones with extensions became a thing. Carter got rid of the button. George W. Bush brought it back to summon aides to the office. Obama used it when guests or staff in the Oval Office wanted water or tea. Biden removed it when the office was being redecorating, but it has been reintroduced. But, nobody knows what the button is used for now... ~*spooky*~... because it hasn't been used in public since there have been almost no major Oval Office meetings due to Covid.
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I AM GRANDO posted:The diet coke button was real? I love that he misses it. I love that he doesn't have any employees left competent enough to install him a new button.
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Judgy Fucker posted:Surely Trump could get one rigged up at mar-a-lago, what's the hold up? Buy him one of those staples "that was easy" buttons and add "grab diet coke when Trump pushes the button" to the list of duties of the person following him around with the laptop and printer to print articles for him.
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Riptor posted:wasn't there some reference to an ex-President on The West Wing who sadly hung around his replica Oval Office in his presidential library? https://twitter.com/heatheredits/status/1448098784446074880
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So I think it’s fair to say that he’s not actually running for President, because he’s literally doing none of the work any other candidate would be doing.
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