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I definitely recall reading that fake slates of electors had been sent to the national archives.
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Raskin said "criminal referral". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88dyduvKyPI
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Dec 19, 2022 20:06
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It is good they are saying "and others" to most/all of these referrals. "He did not engage in this conspiracy" alone, "our report describes in detail the actions of numerous co-conspirators" there we go
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Dec 19, 2022 20:08
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Xiahou Dun posted:Raskin said "criminal referral". Multiple times. Get hosed Trump edit: mention referring to DoJ for insurrection. That's a biggie.
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Dec 19, 2022 20:10
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Insurrection baby and again emphasizing that it's not just Trump and his campaign getting referrals
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I gotta say there is no way in hell DOJ prosecutes 2383 but it's a nice statement
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Dec 19, 2022 20:12
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Referrals to DoJ: Trump: Obstruction of an Official Proceeding Conspiracy to Defraud the United States Conspiracy to Make a False Statement "Incite," "Assist" or "Aid or Comfort" an Insurrection John Eastman: Obstruction of an Official Proceeding (sounds like there are more referrals in the report)
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Tayter Swift posted:Referrals to DoJ: Eastman is in for defrauding as well.
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Lol doing a recorded vote just as a "gently caress you". Lmao. Edit : Yeah, let's double check it again. Really drive in how loving unanimous it is.
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Kinzinger correcting the pronunciation of his name  
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2383 - Insurrection Bring it.
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How is this a question that requires the Fifth?  https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1604908004142239744?s=20&t=5V0RvbGF-fvT6g-YOcIevQ
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Dec 19, 2022 20:24
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Dick Trauma posted:How is this a question that requires the Fifth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwz4k4n1ezM
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Dec 19, 2022 20:30
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Here's the report summary, with 50 pages of footnotes https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23466415
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Dec 19, 2022 20:35
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Youth Decay posted:Here's the report summary, with 50 pages of footnotes https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23466415 quote:V. Other Conspiracy Statutes (18 U.S.C. §§ 372 and 2384) It sounds like they also made a referral for seditious conspiracy?
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Dec 19, 2022 20:45
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XboxPants posted:It sounds like they also made a referral for seditious conspiracy? I was wondering.
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Dec 19, 2022 20:54
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Hey folks. How soon do you all think we will know if these criminal referrals are a nothingburger just like almost everything Tyrmp related the last 5+ years? Few more months, few more years?
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Dec 19, 2022 20:55
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Inner Light posted:Hey folks. How soon do you all think we will know if these criminal referrals are a nothingburger just like almost everything Tyrmp related the last 5+ years? Few more months, few more years? The DOJ doesn't care about criminal referrals from Congress. They do care about evidence. If any of the evidence they are sending over to the DOJ is significant, then it will have an impact. The actual referral itself has no legal impact. It's just a way to make charges more high-profile (but, this case is already about as high-profile as it gets).
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Dec 19, 2022 20:57
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Inner Light posted:Hey folks. How soon do you all think we will know if these criminal referrals are a nothingburger just like almost everything Tyrmp related the last 5+ years? Few more months, few more years? 0 chance anything bad happens to him, op
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I see as usual a bunch of people have to come in just to talk about how nothing ever happens, ever. Weird how that perfectly correlates with not having a clue what's going on, but who am I to notice obvious things.
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I hadn't heard that McCarthy wanted to tell Trump to resign (but of course didn't):quote:Rep. Cheney: I guess there’s a question when we were talking about the 25th Amendment resolution, and you asked what would happen after he’s gone? Is there any chance? Are you hearing that he might resign? Is there any reason to think that might happen?
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Rudy at least is definitely going down, because lmao https://mobile.twitter.com/hunterw/status/1604927104298422273 that is from Jason Miller's testimony
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I looked at the Fox "News" home page so you didn't have to. The fact that a former president just got referred by loving Congress for seditious conspiracy to overthrow the government of the United States currently sits below, ~checks page~, an article about a CNN host having a "testy exchange" with a former Texas congressman. What a joke of an organization.
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Dec 19, 2022 21:20
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Dick Trauma posted:How is this a question that requires the Fifth?
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Dec 19, 2022 21:22
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Xander77 posted:Not a lawyer, but someone in this thread (?) mentioned that you can't pick and choose which questions you answer - you either invoke the Fifth for every single one (allowing the prosecutor to play "gotcha" questions like this) or answer them all. That's true in general court settings, but I'm only halfway sure that it applies to Congressional testimony since that's not necessarily supposed to be an adversarial process. Trying to look that up now.
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Inner Light posted:Hey folks. How soon do you all think we will know if these criminal referrals are a nothingburger just like almost everything Tyrmp related the last 5+ years? Few more months, few more years? Is it tiresome to post like this? if you don't think this process has any valid purpose then why follow and comment on it? Would you prefer that they not make a criminal referral?
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mdemone posted:That's true in general court settings, but I'm only halfway sure that it applies to Congressional testimony since that's not necessarily supposed to be an adversarial process. Trying to look that up now. You can plead the fifth on questions you don't want to answer and answer ones you do, the issue is that you'd best be sure you never stray into the same territory as other questions you didnt answer, as it can invalidate your assertion. Much less messy to just always plead the fifth.
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Grip it and rip it posted:Is it tiresome to post like this? if you don't think this process has any valid purpose then why follow and comment on it? Would you prefer that they not make a criminal referral? No it's not tiresome, I do see it has a valid purpose, and all of my questions were in fact genuine and in good faith! Something can have a valid purpose and still be a complete nothingburger, just like all of the inquiries of the last 5+ years. Isn't that tiresome?
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Was the hearing today actually aired?
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SalTheBard posted:Was the hearing today actually aired? Yes, it ran from 1-2 pm, EST. I watched it on C-SPAN. I don't know if there were any others.
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Inner Light posted:No it's not tiresome, I do see it has a valid purpose, and all of my questions were in fact genuine and in good faith! Something can have a valid purpose and still be a complete nothingburger, just like all of the inquiries of the last 5+ years. Isn't that tiresome? The past seven years have perhaps become somewhat exhausting, politically, as a combination of the data and being forced into a position to compile that data. That individuals, committees, and branches have buried those findings or failed to act could be viewed by some as tiresome. A "nothing burger" indicates, generally, that one has been duped into believing that others finding it tiresome is reason to ignore it, but the archive of all the crimes is there. Read it, write your representatives, and ask them why they haven't taken action. (In this case, they seemingly have, that would have been nice had they been a bit faster about it.)
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:Read it, write your representatives, and ask them why they haven't taken action. But the problem is Congress HAS acted, these referrals are in many ways the culmination and huge coda to an expensive focus of Congress. (The other part is the report, which I expect will also have limited real-world effect beyond the political world and terminally online wonks) And, today, it stands as a nothing burger. We'll see if I evolve over the coming... weeks, months, years to see what real-world effect this inquiry will have beyond politics and terminally online wonks. I'm not holding my breath.
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Ynglaur posted:I looked at the Fox "News" home page so you didn't have to. The fact that a former president just got referred by loving Congress for seditious conspiracy to overthrow the government of the United States currently sits below, ~checks page~, an article about a CNN host having a "testy exchange" with a former Texas congressman. Yeah. There wasn't a mention of it on any of the talk radio stations I subject myself to from time to time either. In a functioning and healthy society, something like this might count as huge news
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Inner Light posted:But the problem is Congress HAS acted, these referrals are in many ways the culmination and huge coda to an expensive focus of Congress. (The other part is the report, which I expect will also have limited real-world effect beyond the political world and terminally online wonks) And, today, it stands as a nothing burger. So as part of your no doubt extensive research, did you check what branch the Department of Justice is in. You seem pretty disappointed in a committee without reading what its goal is.
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Sometimes I think the nothingburgers actually just want mob justice. If they hanged Trump in front of the Capitol tomorrow morning they'd say, "It was Unfortunately, this effectively devolves from "I hate tyrants" to "I want my form of tyranny to win."
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Youth Decay posted:Here's the report summary, with 50 pages of footnotes https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23466415 Am I going to read this whole thing? Yes, yes I am.
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Ynglaur posted:Sometimes I think the nothingburgers actually just want mob justice. If they hanged Trump in front of the Capitol tomorrow morning they'd say, "It was This is the exact thing you accuse of the "nothingburgers" of doing. Look, I get that there's process here for a reason, and I understand that there's a special prosecutor currently doing this same process on the side with actual teeth, and that the Jan6 committee report will feed into that. I even get that this is technically historic, but "procedure" in Washington is very often in the same category as "decorum" which is that it often amounts to jack poo poo, especially after 8+ years of masks off for the conservative side. They're gonna play dirty and to a cynic today's culmination can look very much like a bunch of congresspeople once again doing nothing of actual substance and then calling it historic. You can't blame people who have spent the past decade in the political and media climate we have of reading the headlines today and going "Sure, throw it on the pile of "procedure" so the GOP can just light it on fire to help burn down the republic". In any case, it's dumb either way. Either something will happen or it wont, and no one in here can affect what happens in the slightest.
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mutata posted:This is the exact thing you accuse of the "nothingburgers" of doing. Look, I get that there's process here for a reason, and I understand that there's a special prosecutor currently doing this same process on the side with actual teeth, and that the Jan6 committee report will feed into that. I even get that this is technically historic, but "procedure" in Washington is very often in the same category as "decorum" which is that it often amounts to jack poo poo, especially after 8+ years of masks off for the conservative side. They're gonna play dirty and to a cynic today's culmination can look very much like a bunch of congresspeople once again doing nothing of actual substance and then calling it historic. You can't blame people who have spent the past decade in the political and media climate we have of reading the headlines today and going "Sure, throw it on the pile of "procedure" so the GOP can just light it on fire to help burn down the republic". Without looking it up tell me what you think the goal of this committee is.
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You're trying to start a completely different argument (the one that you want to have based on your assumptions of what I think) and I'm not really interested in having it, so no thanks.
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mutata posted:You're trying to start a completely different argument (the one that you want to have based on your assumptions of what I think) and I'm not really interested in having it, so no thanks. So you have no idea. Cool. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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