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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:

ok let’s all go around the Ukkkraine war thread and say what kind of church we go to

Opus Dei

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ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
I go to the one that doesn't abuse kids. You know, that one that exists

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:

ok let’s all go around the Ukkkraine war thread and say what kind of church we go to

there is no earthly or higher power that can wake me up on sunday mornings. eternal damnation is a small price to pay

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

lmao. he sounds a bit like the Laibach singer

e:

Zedhe Khoja posted:

hope this war ends quick so he can get back to work doing vocals for laibachs next album

lol beaten to the punch

Weka
May 5, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 14 hours!

Frosted Flake posted:

Relationship status with Majorian changed to It’s Complicated

While we're on the topic, why is Catholicism so popular in Canada?

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin
The French

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Weka posted:

While we're on the topic, why is Catholicism so popular in Canada?

It was the only place in the British Empire where it had legal protection, due to the treaty that ended the Seven Years War.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Weka posted:

While we're on the topic, why is Catholicism so popular in Canada?

because the french settled it first

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Slava Quebecois

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

gradenko_2000 posted:

Slava Quebecois

Oh, yeah and the west was settled after Britain ran out of people displaced by the enclosures to send, so we took who the German Empire wanted to get rid of, Poles, Kashubians and South Germans. Then after WW2 we took the Free Poles, and as has been mentioned endlessly, Political Ukrainian Catholics.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

speng31b posted:

there's never been any rule against quoting stuff from in cspam, and you can even quote stuff from other subs if you're using someone's fairly recent (like not years old) and directly relevant post history against them

smdh at this den of savages that openly doxxes people

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/as_a_worker/status/1604981945045487616?cxt=HHwWgMDQleqkhcYsAAAA

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/tom_username_/status/1604852924458209280

probably something to keep in mind to see if it bears out

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Weka posted:

"About three-quarters of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were affiliated with the Episcopal Church, and over a quarter of all Presidents of the United States have been Episcopalians."

Episcopalians are in communion with the Anglican church, and although I believe the church is autocephalous it acknowledges the Archbishop of Canterbury as primus inter pares.

bloodborne rear end religion

Isentropy
Dec 12, 2010

Frosted Flake posted:

lol letting this woman advance as far as she has, where she is now nakedly using the Government of Canada to pursue her own agenda, is so loving dangerous but she's a #GirlBoss so there will be no pushback or opposition from within her own cultural sphere.

Honesty: let's loving let her run for PM in an election so she can do Ignatieff Part 2

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Also, the Germans gave been giving away their old Marders either to other NATO countries or Ukraine which was their old back-up. Also, supposedly only 107 of their Leopard 2s are operational as well. They got rid of their old GDR BMPs as well.

Those 18 were all the Pumas sent into the exercise and all of them catastrophically failed.

NATO is demilitarizing from every angle.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 02:23 on Dec 20, 2022

speng31b
May 8, 2010

Some Guy TT posted:

smdh at this den of savages that openly doxxes people

gonna helldump you

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/tom_username_/status/1604852924458209280

probably something to keep in mind to see if it bears out

If they actually can produce Iskander ammo, then it would mean the lack of western chips isn't that big of an issue for now.

speng31b
May 8, 2010

did it there, just now. quoted your post

Megamissen
Jul 19, 2022

any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be


repairing equipment seems like something you would really want to have in-house

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Isentropy posted:

Honesty: let's loving let her run for PM in an election so she can do Ignatieff Part 2

If she do an Ignatieff, it means we get Milhouse...

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!

Megamissen posted:

repairing equipment seems like something you would really want to have in-house

haha, but it makes so much money if you have contractors do it

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan
is it common for all b2s to be grounded? ripping the wire out of the walls

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Ardennes posted:

Also, the Germans gave been giving away their old Marders either to other NATO countries or Ukraine which was their old back-up. Also, supposedly only 107 of their Leopard 2s are operational as well.

Those 18 were all the Pumas sent into the exercise and all of them catastrophically failed.

NATO is demilitarizing from every angle.

Someone explained it better, I think even ITT, but similar to how late 70's NATO studies caused a change in the design of equipment for that generation, clearly 1991 was the turning point for the MIC design philosophy changing once again, this time not to confront a superior Warsaw Pact tank balance in Central Europe, but to extract the maximum profit. I don't know how else you can square this happening across so many system as once, from Eurofighter, Puma, to God knows what else.

The G36 was iirc the most expensive and technologically complex service rifle ever - but look at what happened at regular intervals since. First, the American XM8 program which turned the G36 into an expensive boondoggle, but at a time where I guess the military was not fully captured by the MIC, to the M5, which is even more the case but has happened at a time after.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Frosted Flake posted:

Someone explained it better, I think even ITT, but similar to how late 70's NATO studies caused a change in the design of equipment for that generation, clearly 1991 was the turning point for the MIC design philosophy changing once again, this time not to confront a superior Warsaw Pact tank balance in Central Europe, but to extract the maximum profit. I don't know how else you can square this happening across so many system as once, from Eurofighter, Puma, to God knows what else.

The G36 was iirc the most expensive and technologically complex service rifle ever - but look at what happened at regular intervals since. First, the American XM8 program which turned the G36 into an expensive boondoggle, but at a time where I guess the military was not fully captured by the MIC, to the M5, which is even more the case but has happened at a time after.

Admittedly, if you think all your adversaries are so far behind you they aren't a threat and that people who say they are "untrustworthy weirdos who should be investigated" would you really care if your systems constantly come out half baked (or hell unusable)? It doesn't matter if the Puma works if "the Russians only have light infantry and are using human wave tactics."

That said, it is clear there is a substantial material loss here and for the money the Germans are putting in they are actually seeming to get a weaker military. That said is it really a bad thing?

-----------

As much as this has been lauded as an American victory, it is a bit difficult to see it that way at this point especially if the Russians seem to continue to recover from their missteps and them steadily ramp up their war machine.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Frosted Flake posted:

The G36 was iirc the most expensive and technologically complex service rifle ever - but look at what happened at regular intervals since. First, the American XM8 program which turned the G36 into an expensive boondoggle, but at a time where I guess the military was not fully captured by the MIC, to the M5, which is even more the case but has happened at a time after.

Arguably the story of rifle/carbine development of the last 20-ish years (at least in the US) has been the government doing a small contract to see if they can get something better, looking at results, and saying "Nah, that would cost too much for too little gain." The Army awarded $5 million for testing the XM-8, then Congress turned down another $20+ million for further evaluation, and they kept on going with existing M4s and purchasing more M4s to replace older M16s.

NGSW has a head of steam, but the contract right now is $20 million for testing purposes, no large fielding ordered or approved.

There is a particular brand of "modern" rifle of the last 20 years that looked weird and oddly old almost the second they showed up: G36, FS2000, etc.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
What else is even there to "improve" about a gun that isn't specialisation

Malleum
Aug 16, 2014

Am I the one at fault? What about me is wrong?
Buglord

mlmp08 posted:

There is a particular brand of "modern" rifle of the last 20 years that looked weird and oddly old almost the second they showed up: G36, FS2000, etc.

the fs2000 is sick as hell and more guns should be that bulbous and weird looking imo

it and the groza should have been the warfighter aesthetic of the 21st century rather than another hundred years of ars and aks

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

gradenko_2000 posted:

What else is even there to "improve" about a gun that isn't specialisation

Arguably, reliability could always be improved. But that's one of those cost-of-design vs benefit things or cost-of-new vs replacement-parts. If it's reducing failures by 10x over, cool. If you're retooling your whole army for a 10% improvement... cancelled.

One of the concerns is that with body armor becoming more and more prolific, rounds that were perfectly fine for unarmored or flak-vest wearing people wouldn't be good enough for infantry vs infantry combat if the opposing side is wearing modern body armor. That's part of why the NGSW for now is limited in concept to close combat troops. Sure, anyone could be in contact, but the plan so far is to only give the rounds designed to reliably defeat modern body armor at range to units specifically intended to close with and fight enemy infantry.

Otherwise, a lot of it is improved optics, which can be and should be developed separately from the firearm.

Malleum posted:


it and the groza should have been the warfighter aesthetic of the 21st century rather than another hundred years of ars and aks

Hell yeah, I knew there was a weird cool gun from Stalker etc that I was forgetting.

speng31b
May 8, 2010

mlmp08 posted:

Arguably, reliability could always be improved. But that's one of those cost-of-design vs benefit things or cost-of-new vs replacement-parts. If it's reducing failures by 10x over, cool. If you're retooling your whole army for a 10% improvement... cancelled.

One of the concerns is that with body armor becoming more and more prolific, rounds that were perfectly fine for unarmored or flak-vest wearing people wouldn't be good enough for infantry vs infantry combat if the opposing side is wearing modern body armor. That's part of why the NGSW for now is limited in concept to close combat troops. Sure, anyone could be in contact, but the plan so far is to only give the rounds designed to reliably defeat modern body armor at range to units specifically intended to close with and fight enemy infantry.

Otherwise, a lot of it is improved optics, which can be and should be developed separately from the firearm.

Hell yeah, I knew there was a weird cool gun from Stalker etc that I was forgetting.

didnt read

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

speng31b posted:

didnt read

did read

speng31b
May 8, 2010

🤣🤣

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

I read this post too, gently caress!

Zeppelin Insanity
Oct 28, 2009

Wahnsinn
Einfach
Wahnsinn

Malleum posted:

the fs2000 is sick as hell and more guns should be that bulbous and weird looking imo

it and the groza should have been the warfighter aesthetic of the 21st century rather than another hundred years of ars and aks

i too have played splinter cell

Seatbelts
Mar 29, 2010
If all the weapons are gonna be stupid and impractical they might as well look just loving sick.



Some Ukrainian machine company is turning out these things

Looks spicy! (RGSh-30)

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

gradenko_2000 posted:

What else is even there to "improve" about a gun that isn't specialisation

Weapon of Choice makes this really clear. The infantry small arm is, if not perfected, at a point where there’s no technical improvement that will warrant the expense. The problem is the culture and profit motive of the MIC, the culture and political rivalries of the military, and the capture of politicians by the former mean a new rifle has to be procured even if it doesn’t have to be, if you follow.

Basically, the rifle is at a place where the M16/M4 and contemporaries could serve for hundreds of years, like the Brown Bess, or even spatha and gladius, with minor or aesthetic updates whenever new production was made to refresh stocks. However that is absolutely, completely, unacceptable to the MIC and states no longer have control of their arsenals. If they want new rifles to replace worn out ones, they’ll have to buy new rifles.

Take France. FAMAS was made by a state arsenal. The arsenal closed. The very oldest rifles need to be replaced and there are no new parts being made. Instead of a state arsenal making new parts and maybe some new rifles with flat rails, they placed the largest and most expensive small arms contract in French history with German firm HK.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Malleum posted:

the fs2000 is sick as hell and more guns should be that bulbous and weird looking imo

it and the groza should have been the warfighter aesthetic of the 21st century rather than another hundred years of ars and aks

the germans should made g11

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Frosted Flake posted:

Weapon of Choice makes this really clear. The infantry small arm is, if not perfected, at a point where there’s no technical improvement that will warrant the expense.

Hot take: human technological advances in the ability to make a small arm, materials, etc have not hit the end of the line, and further substantive advances will continue to occur. I just don't think we nailed it all in the year 1995 or so and no more useful advances will come to pass.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
we just need to wait until we got lasguns like 40k thats the next step

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Danann
Aug 4, 2013

always go with the kantrael mg xii lasgun imo unless you need plasma guns to blow ogryns dead

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