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Neo Rasa posted:Isn't this only if you put in the full @[name]@[server]? If I pop in "@[name]" on Facebook Messenger or almost any other thing it has a pop up to add the person too or anything else so I'm not sure why this was considered some weird thing on Mastodon that adding a username will add someone to it. IIRC, Mastodon adds them automatically and without warning when you mention them. Or did, maybe they've fixed it since it first came up.
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Neo Rasa posted:Facebook/etc. trained us all to think that it is so people do more of their direct messaging through the platform. So it makes it even easier to be the product of the platform when it's also the way you speak to people privately online. Like when I left Facebook there were a lot of people I just haven't spoken to since and never will because they literally do not understand that they can text/call/email/whatever me at any time. So now people just expect it. A person even texted me chastising me for leaving Facebook because "how will we keep in touch" and it's like, you literally text me, you can send me text or call me any time you want OK but you called it "pants on head stupid" when, in fact, it is just not designed to keep you locked into the product and network because mastodon isn't trying to turn you into money.
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Szmitten posted:My issue with Mastodon is that there absolutely is/have been instances banned by other instances, eg artist focused instances can only interact with itself because the rest blocked it for whatever reasons. Your issue is with those instance's admins, not the program or concept. You can run your own instance if you want to ensure that no one's toots are censored, or find an instance that doesn't engage in censorship if that seems like too much work. An instance being able to ignore nodes that don't, for example, police spam or child porn is entirely a good thing.
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Szmitten posted:My issue with Mastodon is that there absolutely is/have been instances banned by other instances, eg artist focused instances can only interact with itself because the rest blocked it for whatever reasons. Knowing nothing about the exact case you're mentioning but knowing the typical ethos of a F/OSS libertarian/artist crossover environment, I'm going to leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out why it was most likely blocked from federating with other servers. I'm not saying it was definitely child porn... but it was probably child porn.
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Szmitten posted:My issue with Mastodon is that there absolutely is/have been instances banned by other instances, eg artist focused instances can only interact with itself because the rest blocked it for whatever reasons. And far right instances have also been blocked. So id argue that's an excellent feature. And if you don't like that your instance has done that, well you can migrate to another. Lets take a look at some of the instances that my instance has blocked and the reasons nazi.social (hatespeech) loli***.**cks (inappropriate content) ped*.****ol (inappropriate content) glindr.org (transphobia) Blocking this stuff is an issue for you? Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Dec 20, 2022 |
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Based on what I've heard about Mastodon, it could just as easily be some disagreement over trigger warning standards. It's natural to assume that anyone complaining about trigger warnings is a right-wing ghoul screaming about snowflakes, but the cultural clashes between Mastodon instances can get pretty heavy at times. It's like an entire ecosystem of SA offsites. https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1590074230493745152 https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1590372227308228608 https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1589976177623859200
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Yes the entire point of Mastodon is each instance gets to decide what it wants to do, join one that fits your preferences
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And again I see that as a plus. If someone wants an instance for Art and no politics or one for astrophysics which is SFW why should they not be allowed that? If you don't want that just don't join that instance. I honestly don't understand the issue. We have different rules for different forum sections. Hell we have separate rules for certain threads in those sections. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Dec 20, 2022 |
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Can you join more than one instance? My understanding was that you picked one and that acted as your gateway to everything else. If I want a SFW astrophysics space and also a space for pictures of Obama saying gently caress, can I have that?
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Cool Dad posted:Can you join more than one instance? My understanding was that you picked one and that acted as your gateway to everything else. If I want a SFW astrophysics space and also a space for pictures of Obama saying gently caress, can I have that? Yes, you can follow stuff outside your instances on other instances as long as they are not blocked. Your instance only dictates the rules you are meant to follow when you post. Or you could just have a second account on another instance. For an example of rules. Here are the rules in their entirety for mastodon.social, the largest instance atm. Sexually explicit or violent media must be marked as sensitive when posting No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, or casteism No incitement of violence or promotion of violent ideologies No harassment, dogpiling or doxxing of other users No content illegal in Germany Do not share intentionally false or misleading information Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Dec 20, 2022 |
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I have an account on mastodon.social and fgc.network so yeah I don't think there's anything stopping you.
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It just gets more complicated from there. IE: whose Blocklist, do we curate our own, on what basis etc? Doesn't help that mastodon scales like poo poo, as well. Is a bad post fault of the instance and mods or is it a greater community problem? Can we scale enough to moderate on our own? Do we enforce the rules we created? It's alright in theory and impractical at scale.
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Think of Mastodon like reverse email. Instead of messages being addressed TO people, you tell your instance "I want all the messages FROM these people" and it tells that person's instance to forward it messages. Or, you can say "I want all the messages that include #hashtag" and your server will always send a copy of messages it sees with #hashtag in it to your inbox. That's it. That's the whole system. It's email. Of course you can have multiple accounts with different hosts. And if your server says "we don't accept messages from lolita.freedom" and getting those messages is really important to you then make an account on a different system. And frankly we should just let people disable content warnings on their feed and have content auto-uncovered so the whiney people on both sides can shut up. I'd be the first to disable it because I hate having to constantly click to see art because "Content warning: EYE CONTACT" Dietrich fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Dec 20, 2022 |
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The two social media genders: fascist and wettest blanket
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Dietrich posted:And frankly we should just let people disable content warnings on their feed and have content auto-uncovered 
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bitprophet posted:Check your client? The default web ui and most mobile clients I’ve tried have this built in. Eg here’s the relevant part of Toot!’s prefs: Hilariously I was just coming back to post that I guess they added this feature now. edit: holy crap sorry I don't know why this image is so big and it won't let me edit the attachment
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Dietrich posted:And frankly we should just let people disable content warnings on their feed and have content auto-uncovered so the whiney people on both sides can shut up. I'd be the first to disable it because I hate having to constantly click to see art because "Content warning: EYE CONTACT" I had never seen the eye contact thing before Mastodon. Are there cultures where eye contact is considered distressing enough to put behind a content warning? (Not trying to be dismissive of those cultures if so.)
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VikingofRock posted:I had never seen the eye contact thing before Mastodon. Are there cultures where eye contact is considered distressing enough to put behind a content warning? (Not trying to be dismissive of those cultures if so.) I'm pretty sure it's a neurodivergent thing rather than a cultural thing, but one issue with the content warnings as a concept is that well meaning people can see someone content warning a thing and decide they must also content warning like that because the original person must have good reasons for this kind of content warning, and the next thing you know we're all content warning the color blue and no one is even sure why.
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While in realms of alternatives, I recently discovered I can do messaging for my Android account using messages.google.com. I'm usually at the computer machine during my work day and it's much easier to manage that stuff from there versus people sending me random-rear end links on the phone and then thumb typing everything. I've been reaching out to people more since it's less of a drag.
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The Guardian is reporting that the South Pasadena police are not looking for the stalker as a suspect. Instead, they are alleging that a member of the security detail ran over the stalker and drove away following the incident. They are considering him a suspect rather than a victim. https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1605304063813615617 quote:Twitter CEO Elon Musk tweeted last week that a “crazy stalker” followed a car carrying one of his children in Los Angeles last Tuesday night, “thinking it was me,” and that the stalker blocked the car from moving and climbed onto its hood. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:While in realms of alternatives, I recently discovered I can do messaging for my Android account using messages.google.com. I'm usually at the computer machine during my work day and it's much easier to manage that stuff from there versus people sending me random-rear end links on the phone and then thumb typing everything. I've been reaching out to people more since it's less of a drag. WhatsApp web is great for this too, in the large parts of the world where its the dominant mobile messaging service. It both makes typing/reading so much easier and faster, and if you happen to be in an office environment still in 2022 where optics matter it makes you look very busy at work typing away.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Elon might have lied about his stalker situation and now police are looking for a member of his security detail because he ran the stalker over and drove away. Weird as this is, Ars had a completely different reckoning of what happened, although no less whacky, involving some dude who is absolutely going to commit murder-suicide some day: quote:Police have since investigated the incident, and the alleged stalker, Brandon Collado, has come forward. On Saturday, Collado reportedly even tweeted directly at Musk to say, “I am the guy in the video.”
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The reason for Mastodon becoming popular seems to be because it's decentralized, minimising the opportunity for someone like Musk to come in and take over the whole thing. If it gets more popular I fully expect that one or more of the servers will become the default for most people and effectively become its own platform anyway.
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Tayter Swift posted:Weird as this is, Ars had a completely different reckoning of what happened, although no less whacky, involving some dude who is absolutely going to commit murder-suicide some day: wonder if that's the goon who thought he'd been e-chatting with Grimes and Elon about their "baby" which was a fully realised AI
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Piell posted:Yes the entire point of Mastodon is each instance gets to decide what it wants to do, join one that fits your preferences The Twitter thread above you talks about what sound like issues with this model "This mastodon account has made its entire personality calling me a n*gger and Jewess and if this were Twitter I would block them and everyone who follows them but it’s mastodon which means I can’t even see all of their followers much less autoblock all" (I'm copy pasting this one instead of embedding because it has screenshots of vile poo poo that's been posted at her) https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1590839017725079552?s=20&t=S3HZUdbdxn09y1hVB2fSyw
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Has there been any numbers on how many people have actually migrated to Mastodon. Seems another thing that's holding it back is every time musk does something particularly stupid and whole bunch of people decide to finally leave twitter, the larger Mastodon instances can't really handle the that large an amount of sign ups at once and everything apparently slows down to a crawl, which isn't exactly the best first impression for new users.
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:While in realms of alternatives, I recently discovered I can do messaging for my Android account using messages.google.com. I'm usually at the computer machine during my work day and it's much easier to manage that stuff from there versus people sending me random-rear end links on the phone and then thumb typing everything. I've been reaching out to people more since it's less of a drag. Same, I use whatsapp almost exclusively via the windows app. I just hate phone typing and merely tolerate using it for other things, it's beyond me how it's the primary means for so many people to access the internet, and prefer it! It's not just an age thing either, my mom who is almost 70 prefers to use mobiles and says she's so glad she doesn't have to use the PC anymore. Still makes me feel like an old tho. I do like the bank app for my phone though, that ones easier to use than the desktop version since it can scan bar codes and is faster to authenticate with. His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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Blue Footed Booby posted:The Twitter thread above you talks about what sound like issues with this model Isn't mass blocking a problem with Twitter, not a feature? I can't count the number of times acquaintances of mine who I don't follow on Twitter have been blocked by randos because they're using a mass blocker and the list they got is maintained by someone with a bone to pick with someone they follow for industry news or something.
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In this case they are asking for block chaining. You block say Jordon Peterson and then anyone who follows him. While its better than those block import lists , its still a crude tool, lots of people follow people like him to laugh at the dumb things he says, but it's still useful to have. Its important to note though, one of the most popular tools on twitter for blocking is blockparty. Which is an app that uses the twitter API tool, its not a 'feature' of twitter. Mastodon has similar api access so the tool could likely be tweaked to work with Mastodon also. dr_rat posted:Has there been any numbers on how many people have actually migrated to Mastodon. Seems another thing that's holding it back is every time musk does something particularly stupid and whole bunch of people decide to finally leave twitter, the larger Mastodon instances can't really handle the that large an amount of sign ups at once and everything apparently slows down to a crawl, which isn't exactly the best first impression for new users. It went from 300k monthly users in September to 2.5 million monthly in November. So still small potatoes. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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dr_rat posted:Has there been any numbers on how many people have actually migrated to Mastodon. Seems another thing that's holding it back is every time musk does something particularly stupid and whole bunch of people decide to finally leave twitter, the larger Mastodon instances can't really handle the that large an amount of sign ups at once and everything apparently slows down to a crawl, which isn't exactly the best first impression for new users. I meant to ask about this before. I've been using the Whalebird client on my desktop and it seems good. I notice that when I go onto Mastodon from a browser it can be very outdated? Sometimes it travels back in time and pops up like a dozen notifications for me for things that already happened/I responded to/whatever days prior. Whalebird does seem to run a little slowly on the "Musk did WHAT?" evenings once a week, but it doesn't fail to update or go back in time like that for me. I see there's a bunch of different clients people use though, is there a thread consensus on what's best if you don't want to use your browser? Blue Footed Booby posted:The Twitter thread above you talks about what sound like issues with this model I definitely see the issue with this. On the one hand I get the mindset of saying to just find a different instances - if an instance is allowing someone to spew hate like that regularly and the moderators are okay with it, at the end of the day do you really need to see anything from anyone on that instance at all? Blocklists seem redundant in that respects. But I get also with how fast Mastodon has grown, like if a REAL mass exodus happens to it no mod team is going to keep up with that, I know some instances block mastodon.social but just blocking every high population instance doesn't seem ideal for a social platform. In that respect it'd almost be better if no one instance emerged as the "official" one and overall instance size stays relatively small so blocking one isn't as big a deal. Kwyndig posted:Isn't mass blocking a problem with Twitter, not a feature? I can't count the number of times acquaintances of mine who I don't follow on Twitter have been blocked by randos because they're using a mass blocker and the list they got is maintained by someone with a bone to pick with someone they follow for industry news or something. It's not to me. I definitely have had instances because where this has happened, but Twitter even when I first started using it was such a cesspool it was worth manually unblocking someone now and then was worth never having to see poo poo form all those other accounts. But I guess it does also depend on the blocklist. Like the one I used was blocking mostly harassment type people, I really couldn't care less what anyone who follows one of those accounts has to say on any topic. But blocklists on Twitter do have some other granularity, like instead of just using a list there's also things like blocking an account that's _ old but still doesn't have a profile picture, or was registered after X date but still has only Y tweets. No mass blocking thing will be perfect but that's just how it's going to work if you want to block a ton of people at once.
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Mega Comrade posted:You block say Jordon Peterson and then anyone who follows him. While its better than those block import lists , its still a crude tool, lots of people follow people like him to laugh at the dumb things he says While I agree that the blocking model on Mastodon isn't great, I would have zero issue blocking these people as well.
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