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smellmycheese posted:Tory columnist gambit today is “at least we’re not still living in caves and hunter-gathering” crispix posted:they could have come up with something more imaginative than lads from ireland and scotland knocking the bajesus out each other imo e: The M55 connects Preston to Blackpool Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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Google Jeb Bush posted:seeing actual real world journalists mention Something Awful as an example of quasi-competent moderation has been a trip, ngl "Something Awful is the worse form of moderation except for all the others that have been tried" - Lowtax, probably
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smellmycheese posted:Tory columnist gambit today is “at least we’re not still living in caves and hunter-gathering” Lovely admission that the absolute best their ideology can offer is a slow decline. E: lol it’s Daniel Finkelstein
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Inside all of us there are two Finkelsteins
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Don't get sick or injured this christmas, comrades https://twitter.com/SusiHarris/status/1601173805627412480 EDIT this was on top of another poster in the UK cspam thread who personally saw someone keel over and die in the A&E waiting room
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Failed Imagineer posted:Along those lines: Try this! https://mobile.twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/1605468193736228867
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Barry Foster posted:Don't get sick or injured this christmas, comrades 12 years they've had to fix this. They really don't care do they. Apparently Stanford University has created a list of words that they suggest should be replaced because they are harmful. It's a Daily Hate article so I won't link but here's the list: quote:Original: walk-in Of course the comments on the article and twitter are all about it being 1984 or ultra Marxist but I think most of the reasons are decent enough even if I don't agree with all of them.
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bessantj posted:12 years they've had to fix this. They really don't care do they. You're speaking as if this isn't exactly what they were aiming for.
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Awesome, those ancient druids that run TfL really knew their poo poo. Taking a moment to consider that twisto could probably have led a fantastic multi-page derail on this one ,  Along these lines, Manhattanhenge is also pretty cool, but it has the disadvantage of not occurring at a celestial milestone. Still looks nice tho 
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bessantj posted:Apparently Stanford University has created a list of words that they suggest should be replaced because they are harmful. It's a Daily Hate article so I won't link but here's the list: This has been happening a lot in tech. Sometimes its good changes, sometimes its changes that are a bit silly. The biggest problem is they are almost always USA centric with zero thought to the rest of the tech world that also uses English.
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bessantj posted:Of course the comments on the article and twitter are all about it being 1984 or ultra Marxist but I think most of the reasons are decent enough even if I don't agree with all of them. 2020 "Why do the olds have such weird names for the service hatch?" You'd think the Mail would approve of replacing 'trigger warning' with 'content note', but I guess approving of things doesn't get hate clicks. And a few of them (like grandfather and brave) it's clearly referring to a particular (and dated) American use, like brave as a noun or grandfather as a verb, but I'm sure they clarified that and didn't stir it up in deliberate bad faith like they did with "I am not a birthing person and I don't chest feed, end all trans rights because I read a terrible article!"
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Mega Comrade posted:This has been happening a lot in tech. Sometimes its good changes, sometimes its changes that are a bit silly. The biggest problem is they are almost always USA centric with zero thought to the rest of the tech world that also uses English. I still annoyed, they renamed "that unless broken piece of poo poo" to "zip drives". The changed name just never sounded right.
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Guavanaut posted:For most of human history we didn't have Tories, or columnists, or Nigel Farage. Seems hopeful. Some of the oldest columns in Britain are kept at Stonehenge, still revered by weird nationalists. Tory is just a word for robber, not a novel concept eh. Nigel Farage was found in 1964 from a Kentish limestone mine and is estimated to originate from the Cretine period.
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bessantj posted:12 years they've had to fix this. They really don't care do they. It's stupid liberal ivory tower bullshit that can't see the forest for the trees. "Person who engages in sex work" is far too long-winded to ever catch on when people tend to use much shorter (& more insulting) terms for sex workers. My job title was "call centre operator", that doesn't define me, it defines my job. These idiots at Stanford (which, let's be fair, is a hive of right wing libertarian fuckwittery & their academics would do better addressing that than policing language in the most "parody of a centrist scholar whose only interaction with real people is when they hire a new cleaner for their place) proposed that I be called "a person who engages with call centre work" I'd call them stupid cunts. Don't get me wrong, I get that language impacts how we think, & even if it didn't you just shouldn't casually use language that demeans others (obviously I'm not against demeaning others when they deserve it). But gently caress me, "don't use this well known aphorism because it encourages violence against animals"? gently caress off. And the trigger warning/content note thing, surely what causes the stress in the reader is the knowledge that something that could remind you of trauma is coming up & you have to skip over it, rather than the particular wording used to warn that content is coming up? And that bit about bravery is just the most hokum bollocks. I hate liberals so much. I suppose to be fair I'd like to see this in the original context rather than filtered through the Daily Mail's lens of bigotry but worrying about petty poo poo like this just reeks of liberals desperate to ignore the material reasons things are hosed, because hey, doesn't impact them, whereas the coarse poors talks in metaphor about killing birds with a stone somehow does.
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quote:Original: guru loving yanks. Here are a few of the common colloquial meanings the word guru has in India: "Brother" (This guy is like a guru to me) "Buddy" (This guy is my guru) "Know it all" (This guy is such a loving guru) Even when the Sikh Gurus called themselves that, it was because they didn't want to elevate themselves to some divine title and just wanted to be called "teacher". Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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I assumed it was 'brave' as in "a Red Indian brave", ie very racist and outdated language, but then I wouldn't know why it needs to be said now. Are Americans going around calling themselves or each other braves?
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Dabir posted:I assumed it was 'brave' as in "a Red Indian brave", ie very racist and outdated language, but then I wouldn't know why it needs to be said now. Are Americans going around calling themselves or each other braves? The Atlanta baseball team are still the Braves. Dunno about anyone else. OK, if they mean it that way then sure, that's gotta get in the bin. Didn't even cross my mind tbh.
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Yeah its confusing without the context. if they mean calling someone 'A brave' then sure. It comes directly from the latin word meaning savage. But saying someone "is brave" while also having the same roots, takes most its meaning from 'Bravo' which is a positive thing and separated from the latin origins by about 600 years. £5 says they didn't consult a single indigenous American on this either. Its like when a load of people tried to make 'Latinx' happen and the wider latin American communities response to that was " lol no that's dumb and doesn't make sense in our language at all" Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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Yeah it's definitely that, and it's probably because so many US academic sports teams carried indigenous 'warrior' type names. But the Mail aren't going to clarify that. Same with grandfather, it's only referring to 'grandfathering in', which is just going to confuse anyone unfamiliar with the expression and get a 'the gently caress'/eyeroll reaction from anyone too familiar with the history, but the Mail would like readers to think that you have to call your granda your legacy non-birthing ancestor or something now because of the wokes.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Lovely admission that the absolute best their ideology can offer is a slow decline. That is all that is on offer at the moment from all sides, different rates of decline (and/or the illusion that we can make the decline happen only to certain other types of people). I watched a Politics Joe thing the other day with Ian Hislop - we was explaining that the foolish tories " have forgotten that people ask for X% to match inflation, you give them a little less than what they want and then strike ends" : and I found myself shouting at the screen, "what happens if that takes place year on year for decades Ian" - because even people who see themselves as reformers can only conceive of a decline just better managed.
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These kind of articles come out every now and then where academic types say 'here's some ideas for how we can change wording for marginalised people' that no one has ever had an issue withand then the marginalised people turn around and say 'we don't loving care, fix the actual problems instead'
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For those who want the context absent the Heil's take on it: The list in question, apparently saved from Stanford's internal web system: https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/stanfordlanguage.pdf The announcement of the initiative that gives some background on where it's coming from: https://itcommunity.stanford.edu/news/introducing-elimination-harmful-language-initiative-website Their response to the backlash: https://itcommunity.stanford.edu/news/update-elimination-harmful-language-initiative-stanfords-it-community I dunno Not that I put stock at all in "British values" or whatever, but I feel like I've done a mandela effect or something these days cause I'm sure when I was growing up "politeness" was one of those vaunted values but the ones who like to rave about british values the most seem to consider politeness an alien concept.
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In this case it seems like a department plagued by wanky management speak asked some people for suggestions to replace some of it with less problematic wanky management speak, some of them went a bit excessive, then the tabloids did their usual trick of pretending that the woke language gods hath decreed that everyone has to talk like this now. Normal people weren't going around talking like "we need to grandfather in the whitespace, I'll get some braves on it" anyway, so it's not like anything of value has been lost.
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I remember a couple years ago when a council updated their guidelines to not use 'Brain-storming', it caused a huge fuss, eventually someone asked the largest epilepsy charity their opinion and they said it was fine and they were never consulted. After repeated questions they even polled their members and it came back something like 92% "not offensive". So yeah. No matter how well intentioned these word changes (or omissions) can be, I am always wary its a bunch of high horse white/neurotypical/straight/cis people doing it to feel smug and pat themselves on the back for being such a good ally.
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I remember our secondary school trying to make 'Mind Map' happen in place of brainstorm, would have been the early 2000's. Still think its stupid.
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What's with all this patriarchal perSON stuff? How about we use perCHILD instead so it's not demeaning to talk about woperchildren* as if they were a lesser species? /S (probably) *Wo - men -> wo-per-sons > wo-per- children For those who want it spelled out (it's been a long day)
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serious gaylord posted:I remember our secondary school trying to make 'Mind Map' happen in place of brainstorm, would have been the early 2000's. I never even considered mind map as being the same as brainstorm. I always thought of mind map as something you do on paper or a whiteboard but a brain storm as more of a verbal thing with flipcharts and 'parking'. Food for thought.
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When you think about it Jae-luni is a bit insensitive, better replace it with Jae-neuroatypical. And I have no idea what an rear end-jill is dunno where to start there Oh no I've become the gammon in the Mail comments making shite jokes parodying wokery. It's me, hi, I'm the problem it's me
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/21/brexit-rule-that-makes-eu-citizens-reapply-to-stay-in-uk-is-unlawful-court-saysquote:Home Office rules that could put millions of EU citizens at risk of job losses or deportation after Brexit have been found to be unlawful by the high court. tomorrow's daily mail: WOKE JUDGES IN LEFTIST POWER GRAB 
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I feel that "drop-in" trivialises the suffering of parachute accident survivors.
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Dead Goon posted:I feel that "drop-in" trivialising the suffering of parachute accident survivors. 
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smellmycheese posted:Tory columnist gambit today is “at least we’re not still living in caves and hunter-gathering” I live near the creswell crags which is arguably the oldest human settlement in the UK, we talking humans living alongside mammoth old. It's one of those odd pockets where hunter gatherers realised that it didn't get that cold during an ice age winter so they made a permanent settlement. Anyway, this dude is wrong.
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learnincurve posted:I live near the creswell crags which is arguably the oldest human settlement in the UK, we talking humans living alongside mammoth old. It's one of those odd pockets where hunter gatherers realised that it didn't get that cold during an ice age winter so they made a permanent settlement. Yeah, flintstones had cars. Reveilled posted:I dunno What about telling someone they are cis? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dabir posted:I assumed it was 'brave' as in "a Red Indian brave", ie very racist and outdated language, but then I wouldn't know why it needs to be said now. Are Americans going around calling themselves or each other braves? More than you'd think. The American scouting system, for example, is infested with amateurishly stolen "Indian lore" (it's largely invented). I had to edit a document just last week that used the phrase "Like the braves of old". (I changed it to "people of old").
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NotJustANumber99 posted:What about telling someone they are cis? What about it? I generally don't need to tell people whether they're cisgender or not, I think most people can work that out on their own.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:What about telling someone they are cis? In what context would you ever need to tell someone they are cis?
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blunt posted:In what context would you ever need to tell someone they are cis? When you want to make their gammon heads explode
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Kokoro Wish posted:You're speaking as if this isn't exactly what they were aiming for. I suppose I had a naive hope that they wouldn't be so blatant about it. Mega Comrade posted:This has been happening a lot in tech. Sometimes its good changes, sometimes its changes that are a bit silly. The biggest problem is they are almost always USA centric with zero thought to the rest of the tech world that also uses English. It is quite Amero-centric for obvious reasons and some of it is bollocks, but stuff like U.S. citizen v American seems reasonable in part though when you get someone saying "Well I'm Canadian and he's United States Citizanian" that would sound too strange.
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