What is the most powerful flying bug? This poll is closed. |
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🦋 | 15 | 3.71% | |
🦇 | 115 | 28.47% | |
🪰 | 12 | 2.97% | |
🐦 | 67 | 16.58% | |
dragonfly | 94 | 23.27% | |
🦟 | 14 | 3.47% | |
🐝 | 87 | 21.53% | |
Total: | 404 votes |
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We should send out the Seaquest to see if undersea pirates blew it up.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:22 |
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# ? Jun 7, 2024 17:13 |
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lobotomy molo posted:it does, if that criticism could harm relations with any of its allied countries (which any real pointed criticism should) Please provide a source. The journalism advocacy groups are clear in their writing. I do not know why they would omit your claim from their arguments against the law. https://europeanjournalists.org/blo...alists-sources/
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:23 |
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Megamissen posted:as is changes the grundlag it will not take effect until after another vote four years from now nah, you only need two votes with an election in between, not an entire four-year period. the first vote was in april 2022, the election in september and the second vote in november. the law will come into effect on january 1st, 2023
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:28 |
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mlmp08 posted:Please provide a source. The journalism advocacy groups are clear in their writing. I do not know why they would omit your claim from their arguments against the law. Don't you think an actual brief against the law would be just a teensy bit longer than that?
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:31 |
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mawarannahr posted:this is like the polar express where the boy goes to visit Santa Claus in the North Pole https://twitter.com/zelenskyyua/status/1605443014847086592 That's gonna be one cursed Christmas address to congress for everyone but the MIC, sucking and loving
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:32 |
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Comrade Koba posted:nah, you only need two votes with an election in between, not an entire four-year period. ok, yeah. Thought I was confused for a moment, but that's what I was seeing in the press reporting on the law. From the legislature. Criticizing the government all day every day still very legal, even if directly poo poo-talking its interntaional relations, allies, etc. Unlawfully obtaining and passing along classified documentation in order to do so is not lawful unless it's "justifiable" which is a real dodgy test for any journalist to have to play with that fire. quote:One of the effects of the proposed legislation will be that foreign espionage, gross foreign espionage and gross unauthorised dealing with secret information linked to foreign espionage will be criminalised and introduced into the Swedish Penal Code. Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:Don't you think an actual brief against the law would be just a teensy bit longer than that? If you have a longer brief that makes the case that Sweden has outlawed criticism of the government, I'd be happy to read it.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:33 |
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MLMPBot posted:Allow me to elaborate on why such concerns are unfounded.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:34 |
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give it another year and we will have open reporting that america blew up the pipeline, and it was a good thing
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:36 |
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When people post clear and substantive falsehoods that confirm their personal biases, a lot of people ITT get very annoyed if someone points out that it was just a lazy bullshit or fantastical misrepresentation of reality.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:42 |
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mlmp08 posted:If you have a longer brief that makes the case that Sweden has outlawed criticism of the government, I'd be happy to read it. You submitted that link as evidence of the exhaustive list of complaints that Swedish journalists have about the law. My point is that it isn't, because it's a press release, not a legal brief. It is evidence of nothing, which is consistent.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:42 |
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:You submitted that link as evidence of the exhaustive list of complaints that Swedish journalist have about the law. lmao, no, you are putting words in my mouth. But I see you can provide zero evidence that criticizing the Swedish government was outlawed.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:43 |
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mlmp08 posted:When people post clear and substantive falsehoods that confirm their personal biases, a lot of people ITT get very annoyed if someone points out that it was just a lazy bullshit or fantastical misrepresentation of reality. that's right
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:44 |
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OctaMurk posted:give it another year and we will have open reporting that america blew up the pipeline, and it was a good thing MLMPBot posted:First of all, it is important to understand that the underwater environment is a complex and challenging one, and it is often difficult to determine the precise cause of incidents such as the destruction of a gas pipeline. Factors such as corrosion, geological activity, and even the actions of marine life can all contribute to such an event.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:44 |
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Weird that the bot goes for Sweden and the US and not the island kingdom.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:45 |
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mlmp08 posted:lmao, no, you are putting words in my mouth. quote:I do not know why they would omit your claim from their arguments against the law. https://europeanjournalists.org/blo...alists-sources/ dont even try
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:45 |
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u okay there chief
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:46 |
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:dont even try You should probably read better. Do you have any evidence that criticizing the Swedish government was outlawed yet?
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:47 |
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MLMPBot posted:First of all, it is important to acknowledge that the UK does have a range of specialized capabilities related to underwater demolition and sabotage, including the Special Boat Service and dedicated nuclear submarines for delivering sabotage teams. Additionally, the UK has been known to be involved in the planning of similar attacks in the past. These capabilities, combined with their history of involvement in such operations, make the UK a potential suspect in any incident of this nature.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:55 |
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i do read mlmp's posts but i do not read the bot posts
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:56 |
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mlmp08 posted:national security Oh wow, what a blast from the past. I feel like 911 was yesterday.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 18:58 |
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Oh wow, what a blast from the past. I feel like 911 was yesterday. National Security expenses a lot of books and boardgames, so let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:01 |
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lobster shirt posted:i do read mlmp's posts but i do not read the bot posts i skim over both
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:01 |
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Another article from the Swedish public broadcaster SVT:https://www.svt.se/kultur/grundlagsandring-vacker-oro-bland-journalister-utlandsspioneri-yttrandefrihetsgrundlagen posted:The Constitutional Committee supports the criticized constitutional amendment
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:02 |
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AnimeIsTrash posted:i skim over both Suggestions for tweaking the model?
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:07 |
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Putin can’t even contemplate giving up more of his lebensraum
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:09 |
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make it fart just lots of farting 🤣
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:09 |
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alright so what makes the law poo poo isn't just that it suddenly will become illegal to share classified information with foreign powers because espionage was already loving illegal. what the law does do is severely limit the freedom of communication of the press. the way it does this is that it becomes illegal to share, publish or otherwise publically reveal any secret information that falls within the scope of international cooperation with other states or intergovernmental organizations (like the un or nato, for instance) and that might negatively effect the relations with that state or organization. (full text here, in swedish) so what is "secret information"? well, according to the official secrecy regulations laid out by the armed forces the main definition is any information whose reveal could impact national security and/or the relations to other states or intergovernmental organization. (link to pdf, in swedish) so when people argue "oh, it's only a problem if you willingly share secret information" , they forget or ignore that the definition of secret basically is "anything that might embarass our allies".
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:20 |
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Comrade Koba posted:so when people argue "oh, it's only a problem if you willingly share secret information" , they forget or ignore that the definition of secret basically is "anything that might embarass our allies". have you considered they havent outlawed criticism of the government
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:21 |
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mlmp08 posted:Please provide a source. The journalism advocacy groups are clear in their writing. I do not know why they would omit your claim from their arguments against the law. if those journalism advocacy groups advocated real solutions to the problems facing society they would not be allowed to exist any longer strange, it’s a policy of “poo poo talk the blood soaked empire, go to prison.” if russia did this, it would definitely be bad, but Sweden are The Good Guys so actually, it’s good
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:24 |
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AnimeIsTrash posted:have you considered they havent outlawed criticism of the government well, if I wrote an article on january 2, 2023 telling the government to go gently caress themselves because they want to cooperate with turkey and as an argument provided some new information about some dirty poo poo turkey's been doing to political dissidents i could very much go to jail, lol it brings me great comfort that mlmp08 would probably write a post about how technically i didn't go to jail for criticizing the government, i went to jail for criticizing the turkish government
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:25 |
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AnimeIsTrash posted:have you considered they havent outlawed criticism of the government lol thank you mlp08 u finally wrote a concise post
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:25 |
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Comrade Koba posted:well, if I wrote an article on january 2, 2023 telling the government to go gently caress themselves because they want to cooperate with turkey and as an argument provided some new information about some dirty poo poo turkey's been doing to political dissidents i could very much go to jail, lol that’s right, as long as the happy NATO allies take turns suppressing each others’ peasant revolts nobody’s in the wrong, they’re all just good allies in a big happy nuclear family
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:26 |
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Comrade Koba posted:alright so what makes the law poo poo isn't just that it suddenly will become illegal to share classified information with foreign powers because espionage was already loving illegal. Ok but no one could have known those briefs existed before you posted them.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:27 |
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so if it wasn't already clear the reason the journalists are all up in arms is that this basically ends whistleblowing as a concept when it comes to anything remotely government-related.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:28 |
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mlmp08 posted:When people post clear and substantive falsehoods that confirm their personal biases, a lot of people ITT get very annoyed if someone points out that it was just a lazy bullshit or fantastical misrepresentation of reality. it because no one likes you here gradenko or ardennes could correct people all day and not get a tenth the poo poo you do
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:29 |
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Comrade Koba posted:so when people argue "oh, it's only a problem if you willingly share secret information" I’m just glad someone is starting to understand the law now compared to how it was incorrectly described at first.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:37 |
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Lostconfused posted:Ok forget Murz, ahahahaha, holy poo poo this is incredible. Everyone going on about some war, but this is the real poo poo I'm here for. The West is falling behind in the posting race. Western posting has been monopolized by mediocre posters like Elon Musk, who's reach is amplified by his ownership of a platform. Meanwhile in Russia, you've got bloggers announcing claims on the throne.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:38 |
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terrorist ? what did he do, blow up a pipeline ?
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:39 |
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Does Sweden have a FOIA equivalent? Some should file a request asking what the government knows about the Nordstream blasts.
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:40 |
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# ? Jun 7, 2024 17:13 |
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mlmp08 posted:I’m just glad someone is starting to understand the law now compared to how it was incorrectly described at first. it takes a big man to admit when he’s wrong, im proud of u
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# ? Dec 21, 2022 19:41 |