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euphronius posted:I don’t think that pitching staff is small sample proof I'd encourage Mets fans to find enjoyment in the regular season on it's own terms, to try not to treat it as a 6-month long spring training while you wait for October.
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Dec 21, 2022 21:47
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Popete posted:Carlos Correa arrives for his team physical perfection
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Dec 21, 2022 21:50
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If this is another case that comes down to "we will never know the truth and we either believe the Players (+ their agents) or The Management" I am going to pretty much universally side with the players until we see some hardline proof. STAC Goat posted:The fact that Correa signed for less money with the Mets and did so so quickly really suggests that there really was something on that physical and they wanted to get the ink dry. Is this really true, though? Doesn't the math shake out that 315MM over 12 years is about the same as the, what, 350 for 13y contract the Giants were offering in terms of AAV? You're just playing one less year and as has been circled in the thread a few times the back end of these megacontracts is kind of a lottery anyway.
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Dec 21, 2022 21:54
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Monathin posted:If this is another case that comes down to "we will never know the truth and we either believe the Players (+ their agents) or The Management" I am going to pretty much universally side with the players until we see some hardline proof. It's 35 million less than he was going to be paid and he's unlikely to get another contract at that rate after 12 years.
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Dec 21, 2022 21:56
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Popete posted:It's 35 million less than he was going to be paid and he's unlikely to get another contract at that rate after 12 years. I mean, yeah, sure, it's a contract for effectively the rest of his career, but assuming he's getting paid about the same across those 12 years that he would have when signing with the Giants, at a certain point I can see the logic of "If you're going to dick me around, I'm fine signing with another team last minute who would be paying me the same rate for one year less." I just don't see it as a smoking gun that the Giants are 'correct' here, is all.
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Dec 21, 2022 22:00
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counterpoint: 35m is a fuckload of money to handwave away
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Dec 21, 2022 22:01
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And he’s switching positions. He obviously didn’t sign for two cents on the dollar but he took less money to compromise more. Hours after the team he had signed with a week had concerns about his health. Even Boras spin doesn’t present it like the Giants bailed. They saw something that concerned them and asked for time, Boras gave them a clock, that clock ran out. It’s weird and we’re only getting one side right now. But nothing about it seems cut and dry. Meanwhile I’m all about the “Cohen is the new Steinbrenner” takes. Be careful what you wish for.
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Dec 21, 2022 22:03
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euphronius posted:Top two pitches being a combined 80 years old is the only flaw I guess. Also Phillies had no problems hitting verlander For everything they overcame last year, the one thing the Phillies couldn't do was beat last year's Mets
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Dec 21, 2022 22:08
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Did we ever see the contract details for the Giants contract? I wouldn't be surprised that this deal is frontloaded to make up for some of that difference.
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Dec 21, 2022 22:12
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elentar posted:i mean we've learned over and over again that anyone can win the world series if you can just hang in long enough to get the playoff lottery ticket and get hot at the right time. can't wait until the Braves somehow win 101 games while the Mets win 100 and then get bounced in the WC round against the 93 win Cardinals.
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Dec 21, 2022 22:25
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It sounds like the Giants owner is a bigger piece of poo poo than we already knew.
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Dec 21, 2022 22:26
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General Bullshit posted:It sounds like the Giants owner is a bigger piece of poo poo than we already knew. All of the owners are terrible people, if that helps
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Dec 21, 2022 22:28
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https://twitter.com/EricFlemming/status/1605642731023278081 Surely, the Giants will never make that mistake agai-
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Dec 21, 2022 22:31
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STAC Goat posted:And he’s switching positions. Yeah, I have a feeling that Boras and Correa really wanted the guarantee quick. I wouldn't doubt at all that the Giants would change the terms of their offer to less money. But Correa and Boras weren't interested at all at seeing what the GIants would do, how much less it would be. Nor does it seems that they sat down and talked in-depth about whatever concern was on the physical. Not that they owe the Giants this. Correa had offers. He liked San Francisco's or else he wouldn't have initially agreed with them. Even with this physical issue no doubt that he would still have offers. But he and Boras didn't want to wait and see. Cohen started blithering about how badly he wanted Correa still and it was obvious he'd spend money now. Maybe the Mets had always been a close second on Correa's list and that's why they agreed so fast. Correa is probably perfectly fine and it was the Giants being way too cautious. Yes, Correa played for the Twins without issue last year, but it might not have been something that showed up on their physical because it was a) progressive or b) not something they were looking for. For the sake of Correa and baseball, I would like Farhan to look like an idiot for whiffing. But something smells a little weird with the whole situation.
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Dec 21, 2022 22:32
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https://twitter.com/emmabaccellieri/status/1605678076469202944?s=20&t=B3vz_GRh8VekX9VPHTmZKQ
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Dec 21, 2022 22:38
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What is the "SF bad" narrative here? Because even Boras seemed to kind of struggle with that in his comments and only seems to be at "they dragged their feet." He doesn't deny that there was a health concern, he simply says it hasn't affected Correa's performance. Do we think they just made up something? Made a bigger deal out of it than it was? Saw something minor and used it in the 11th hour to renegotiate? Like really my whole thing since yesterday has been that it makes no sense for the Giants to just wake up and blow up this deal unless theres a reason. Maybe that reason is "they're dumb" or "they're evil" or something. But like... an agent doesn't USUALLY call up another team's owner and say "hey, wanna sign my guy for less money than the other guy to play out of position?" the same day he was supposed to have a press conference about his signing. Something drives that decision. A desire not to negotiate or disclose poo poo? As others have set the Mets will presumably do their own physical and see whatever the Giants saw. But maybe Boras felt if he disclosed it and spun it with the Mets it would better then whatever a second (or third) free agency process produced? I don't know. It just seems obvious to me that this crazy, unprecedented, confusing situation has more to it going on than "lol Giants." edit: Obviously I'm biased here. I think Correa is an rear end in a top hat so it benefits that for me to assume he and his agent did something shady. And maybe that's motivating my interpretation. I don't know. But Boras doesn't sound like Boras to me in those quotes. I honestly expected more of a spin against the Giants. And right now the simplest story I see is "Correa had something on his physical that the Giants were worried enough about to risk letting him walk and worried Boras enough to sign a QUICK compromised deal." STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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Dec 21, 2022 22:39
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RC and Moon Pie posted:Yeah, I have a feeling that Boras and Correa really wanted the guarantee quick.
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Dec 21, 2022 22:43
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Inspector_666 posted:https://twitter.com/emmabaccellieri/status/1605678076469202944?s=20&t=B3vz_GRh8VekX9VPHTmZKQ That's one word short
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Dec 21, 2022 23:03
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Intruder posted:That's one word short That simply makes it more artful.
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Dec 21, 2022 23:07
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STAC Goat posted:What is the "SF bad" narrative here? Because even Boras seemed to kind of struggle with that in his comments and only seems to be at "they dragged their feet." He doesn't deny that there was a health concern, he simply says it hasn't affected Correa's performance. Do we think they just made up something? Made a bigger deal out of it than it was? Saw something minor and used it in the 11th hour to renegotiate? Like really my whole thing since yesterday has been that it makes no sense for the Giants to just wake up and blow up this deal unless theres a reason. Maybe that reason is "they're dumb" or "they're evil" or something. It's going to be the kind of thing that players are going to remember down the road when SF comes calling with offers
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Dec 21, 2022 23:12
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Intruder posted:That's one word short No, the original was "For sale: baby shoes, never worn"
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Dec 21, 2022 23:19
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No Safe Word posted:No, the original was "For sale: baby shoes, never worn" I know, the challenge was specifically to make it six words 
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Dec 21, 2022 23:21
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Kirios posted:It's a significantly worse situation long term for them to do this versus just signing the agreed contract. The fact they don't realize this... Yeah, it's a firable offense. Unfortunately I don’t think you can fire the owner and reneging on this deal would 100% be ownerships call.
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Dec 21, 2022 23:22
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https://twitter.com/samhustis/status/1605686311905423360?s=46&t=_QMiO1xNvDMGHaAPe7kc5w
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Dec 21, 2022 23:26
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Vertical Lime posted:https://twitter.com/samhustis/status/1605686311905423360?s=46&t=_QMiO1xNvDMGHaAPe7kc5w
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Dec 21, 2022 23:28
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STAC Goat posted:
lol - It's just this - you hate Carlos Correa and it's coloring your interpretation on everything else. At least you recognize it.
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Dec 21, 2022 23:38
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Vertical Lime posted:https://twitter.com/samhustis/status/1605686311905423360?s=46&t=_QMiO1xNvDMGHaAPe7kc5w "As they say in New York, the cherry on top"
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Dec 21, 2022 23:44
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Popete posted:"As they say in New York, the cherry on top" they dont call it the big cherry for nothing!
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Dec 21, 2022 23:47
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Ah New York, the Big Easy.
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Dec 21, 2022 23:49
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Vertical Lime posted:https://twitter.com/samhustis/status/1605686311905423360?s=46&t=_QMiO1xNvDMGHaAPe7kc5w As a native new yorker who has heard the phrase my whole life, is "the cherry on top" exclusively a new yorker saying or is that guy just dumb Wait I think I know the answer after remembering that he's a sports radio caller Edit: I see others have also taken note of this
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Dec 21, 2022 23:49
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As they say in Dayton Ohio, the icing on the cake
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Dec 21, 2022 23:54
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as we say in the East Bay in California, jesus loving christ you mean the A's are going to move to Las Vegas too??
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Dec 22, 2022 00:10
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STAC Goat posted:What is the "SF bad" narrative here? Carlos Correa literally was dressing for the press conference to announce him when the Giants went oh, whoah, heyyyy we found this thing can we give you less money? If there was even a chance that you were gonna back out/renegotiate, you make sure that's all out of the way before scheduling your announcement. e: Vertical Lime posted:https://twitter.com/samhustis/status/1605686311905423360?s=46&t=_QMiO1xNvDMGHaAPe7kc5w "I always go back to my favorite movie in life, man, Glengarry Glen Ross" lmao
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Dec 22, 2022 00:20
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Always Be Correaing
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fast cars loose anus posted:Carlos Correa literally was dressing for the press conference to announce him when the Giants went oh, whoah, heyyyy we found this thing can we give you less money? Oh come on. You know that kind of poo poo is spin. If anything it feels very much like Boras wants you to focus on silly stuff like “he got dressed that day!” so you ignore the rest of it. In fact Boras said they had already talked about it and agreed to give the Giants time. So it overtly wasn’t some sudden shock. Boras very specifically negotiated a pull out time and then took it. quote:Boras says the club identified “something in his history that for whatever reason gave them doubts” about signing off on the 13-year, $350 million agreement with Correa. That doesn’t read as “sudden” to me at all. Now obviously it was dumb for the Giants to schedule a press conference before that poo poo was resolved. But the idea that they sprung this suddenly on Correa as he was adjusting his tie sure seems debunked by Boras.
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Dec 22, 2022 00:35
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STAC Goat posted:Oh come on. You know that kind of poo poo is spin. If anything it feels very much like Boras wants you to focus on silly stuff like “he got dressed that day!” so you ignore the rest of it. Sorry but you announced the press conference to announce your signing and then discovered something and tried to renegotiate you are the bad guy If you thought there was a possibility some such thing would come up you figure that out before announcing a press conference There's no way out of this for the Giants. They look like a rinky-dink franchise right now.
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fast cars loose anus posted:Sorry but you announced the press conference to announce your signing and then discovered something and tried to renegotiate you are the bad guy
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Dec 22, 2022 00:44
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There's no way the Giants front office looks good on this and lol for trying to turn this back on the player and agent. No matter how much you might dislike them.
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Dec 22, 2022 00:50
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Obviously the Giants made some kind of mismanagement of the situation. But we’re literally just repeating back the spin coming out of the Boras/Correa camp and even that seems contradictory. So nonsense like “he was already dressed!” feels secondary to the idea that there was apparently some kind of potentially undisclosed health issue that derailed this deal seemingly a lot earlier than yesterday afternoon.
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fast cars loose anus posted:"I always go back to my favorite movie in life, man, Glengarry Glen Ross" lmao Tell me you’re a Silicon Valley crypto bro without telling me that you’re a Silicon Valley crypto bro
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