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Batterypowered7 posted:It does, just not at a discount. You don't play those cards to pay full price.
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Toshimo posted:You don't play those cards to pay full price. Your statement was factually incorrect, is all.
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Dec 20, 2022 20:40
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Batterypowered7 posted:Your statement was factually incorrect, is all. In "good" decks it's only worth playing a card like that because you can cheat it. So like Animar, sure it makes sense. There's so many strong free counterspells that relying on ricochet trap is dicey. Having 4 mana left to cast that, it could be good in monored because nobody expects it, I run Imp's Mischief in decks with no blue sometimes because people don't expect it (or know it exists). It's also target spell with a single target only, and a lot of spells now have multiple targets, and not abilities. It's really just kind of outclassed by so many things, unless you're in some meta where you basically know you are playing it for 1 mana, and other things aren't available.
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pseudanonymous posted:In "good" decks it's only worth playing a card like that because you can cheat it. So like Animar, sure it makes sense. There's so many strong free counterspells that relying on ricochet trap is dicey. That last bit doesn't seem to be too much of a detriment, since Bolt Bend also affects things with only a single target, though it obviously has more utility since it can target abilities as well. At least in the games I've seen it cast, it was always just used to redirect a counterspell to itself, so I thought that if that's what it's mostly used for, that Ricochet Trap should be comparable. Honestly, my first reply to Toshimo was because I misremember cards all the time and I thought they had misremembered the card and thought it only affected Blue spells (similar to how Guttural Response only counters Blue Instants).
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I've had a lot of fun casting Fork against counterspells. It is less useful against removal spells, but I'll usually drop it anyways and blow up either the caster's best creature or something else on the board that is threatening.
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Batterypowered7 posted:That last bit doesn't seem to be too much of a detriment, since Bolt Bend also affects things with only a single target, though it obviously has more utility since it can target abilities as well. At least in the games I've seen it cast, it was always just used to redirect a counterspell to itself, so I thought that if that's what it's mostly used for, that Ricochet Trap should be comparable. It's hard because different people just play EDH very differently. In cEDH, bolt bend and ricochet trap are borderline garbage with maybe potential very niche use. I only outline it's limitations because deflecting swat is all targets of target spell or ability for free if you control your commander. The difference in power level is striking. But again, at your table it may be a more effective card. Generally the following cards do the same sort of thing but generally better, for various reasons: Deflecting Swat Force of Negation Force of Will Pact of Negation Silence Autumns Veil Heroic Intervention Dispel Flusterstorm Miscast Swan Song An offer you can't refuse Red Elemental Blast Pyroblast Situationally you might find that bolt bend or ricochet trap work better in your meta or whatever, but as a general rule you want that important interaction spot to be able to do certain kind of things and be cheap.
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pseudanonymous posted:It's hard because different people just play EDH very differently. In cEDH, bolt bend and ricochet trap are borderline garbage with maybe potential very niche use. Ricochet Trap definitely sees some cEDH play in monored as a counter-counterspell. It's narrow, but you're rarely mad to see it.
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Dizz posted:a sliver deck that contains no slivers sounds awesome. I proudly present Never Stop Shufflin', a sliver deck with only 3 slivers, and none of them make anything better. Every card is either a tutor or a basic land, except for lotleth troll and soldier of fortune. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/never-stop-shuffling/ I made it to antagonize one of my friends who hates tutors. It was successful.
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Dizz posted:aren't unset cards not allowed? The latest un set has black bordered cards. You're good to play those as long as they don't have an acorn-shaped holo stamp. E: But you're right about poo poo from other un sets.
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Dizz posted:aren't unset cards not allowed? If I'm making a deck to troll my friends I'm not going to follow anything dumb like rules to do so.
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for some reason i was intending on trading away my triome cards but i belive slivers will want them anyways.
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The 5 MOST OVERRATED cEDH decks (BUT NOT CLICKBAIT) Lmao, the shade around the 4:20 mark.
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She's right, just play Najeela
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Yeah, but Kenrith's deck is called KFC, which makes me smile on the inside.
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lol the T&T shade
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Does Cascade only work with ETB or can something like Ephemerate also trigger it?
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Cascade isn't ETB at all. It's on cast. So, no, Ephemerate won't trigger it.
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Also Ephemerate causes a creature to enter the battlefield so yes, it would trigger ETB effects.
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702.85. Cascade 702.85a Cascade is a triggered ability that functions only while the spell with cascade is on the stack. “Cascade” means “When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card whose mana value is less than this spell’s mana value. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost if the resulting spell’s mana value is less than this spell’s mana value. Then put all cards exiled this way that weren’t cast on the bottom of your library in a random order.” Notably since the stack resolves from top to bottom the cascaded spell is cast and resolves before the card with Cascade enters the battlefield.
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If I do the Food Chain combo on First Sliver, how would it be infinite mana? doesn't the commander get taxed on each kill?
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Most Food Chain decks don't get infinite mana by casting and recasting the commander, they get it from repeatedly casting and exiling a creature that's castable directly from exile (Squee, Misthollow Griffon, Eternal Scourge). First Sliver is the outlet, after you have infinite mana, you cast FS over and over until you've cast your deck.
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Dizz posted:If I do the Food Chain combo on First Sliver, how would it be infinite mana? doesn't the commander get taxed on each kill? Food chain only adds mana of one color so yeah, you generate an arbitrarily large amount of mana of every color using creatures like the post above me mentions, then you cast the commander a bunch of times.
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I have a First Sliver deck, and it is dope as gently caress and I love playing it. Cascade is dumb.
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oh yeah, it seems I use cards like the Squee guy to generate infinite mana, which allows me to infinitely cast TFS infinitely. awesome. I will have to proxy this deck though because it seems like to make it work, you need every card to have a value of over $20 or more [mostly more, because one deck suggested all duals and all fetches] E: i will probably make a side deck that actually has fun with slivers though.
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Dizz posted:E: i will probably make a side deck that actually has fun with slivers though. "Oops, all Slivers" is pretty fun. It's not the most powerful way to build a Slivers deck, but it's probably one of the most powerful all-creature decks you can pull off, and it's fun to see what it spits out each time.
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35 lands, 64 slivers and Primal Surge
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Yeah if you’re going to play a bunch of slivers that do the sliver thing and attack a lot, First Sliver is the way to go. If you want to “play Slivers” but actually play it more like a combo deck you generally go Overlord or Queen. Me, I’m a weirdo and I play a non-optimal combat-focused Sliver deck helmed by Queen. At some point I’ll probably give in and either make it a combo deck or swap it into a First Sliver deck.
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My 234 card order from MPC is arriving today, 11 days after placing it, during Christmas season, with normal shipping. That's crazy.
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OgreNoah posted:My 234 card order from MPC is arriving today, 11 days after placing it, during Christmas season, with normal shipping. That's crazy. how much did it cost you?
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Dizz posted:how much did it cost you? That's not the right way to phrase that question. The question really is: how much money did Wizards not get? 
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The same amount they would have not been getting off of cards bought on the secondary market is my guess.
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https://articles.starcitygames.com/magic-the-gathering/elesh-norn-mother-of-machines-the-good-and-the-bad/Sheldon Menery posted:What the Rules Committee Members Said lol
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Batterypowered7 posted:https://articles.starcitygames.com/magic-the-gathering/elesh-norn-mother-of-machines-the-good-and-the-bad/ quote:is a [sic] going to treat you well if your primary motivation is winning. Yeah we all run a lot of cards in our decks that aren't motivated by a desire to win. What the gently caress is this guy talking about and why does anyone respect him. quote:I mean “not necessarily good for the format,” in things like play patterns or deckbuilding. Encouraging people to run removal is good, thanks guy who "is an expert on magic".
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a broken brann bronzebeard with an OP body and also stax thrown in i bet i could make cards that balanced and though out 3B 5/8 vigilance, lifelink, horsemanship when Broken poo poo ETB take control of X opponent permanents permanently (they are legally your property forever even if you try to sell them), where X is whatever you feel like. opponents can't play permanents or draw cards while Broken poo poo card is in any deck
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I am glad they ignored Sheldon, but I wish he didn't have that level of input to begin with. He says nothing intelligent or of value and should never be listened to.
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I don't hate him or get the general animosity some people have towards him. He doesn't seem wrong about this card if nothing else
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Among Commander players I've spoken with, opinion of Elesh Norn is "maybe good enough to be a casual commander but probably better in the 99 somewhere." Among players of other formats, it's "she'll have to be better than she looks to even be playable." Only Sheldon is like I'M GOING TO SEND A SELF-IMPORTANT EMERGENCY EMAIL TELLING THEM NOT TO PRINT IT AND THROW SHADE AT THEM WHEN THEY DO ANYWAY.
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Khanstant posted:I don't hate him or get the general animosity some people have towards him. He doesn't seem wrong about this card if nothing else He's the Elon Musk of Commander. E: He posted the link to the article on Facebook. My favorite reply to it is: "Wanting to prevent the creation of a 5 mana partial stax piece that can be doombladed is hilarious to me..." The person replying isn't wrong. Just play more interaction.
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Khanstant posted:I don't hate him or get the general animosity some people have towards him. He doesn't seem wrong about this card if nothing else He talks about commander as if the only moral way to play it is badly. He’s basically an rear end in a top hat on a bike who acts like he’s better than you for riding a bike instead of driving a car, expects to be treated like he’s driving a car, but also rides through red lights. He’s also extremely disingenuous in his posts or absolutely stupid to the point of being able to get special parking rights.
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