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Cabbages and Kings posted:Welp, we're pretty much saying gently caress It YOLO for kid's 6th birthday. It will be indoor/outdoor with an emphasis on outdoor activities and I expect, personally, to be spending my time outside because Fire Is Dangerous, but I was not thrilled when her guest list grew from "just 4 kids!" to like, 14... Yea, so. Snow kept it from being 14 kids but also made outdoor stuff much harder. A few kids masked indoors. I woke up this morning with my stomach off and a little achey, took a (negative) COVID test but the timing there is so fast I was mostly thinking "I must have already been getting sick and not known it, better test and make sure I didn't get anyone else sick". We all got an email today from another parent (who actually happens to be my personal primary care dr  ) that he'd popped hot on a COVID test today. Oops!At least he was nice enough to email all the other parents so we didn't need to.... Cabbages and Kings posted:,just in time to be dying of COVID at Christmas. Cool! We just got over being sick for six weeks straight. Welp, I guess we'll see how this prognostication works out. Probably gonna go get a PCR tomorrow, if I can. Which means minimally driving an hour in 14" of snow while I feel like a dog's rear end, awesome. Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Dec 19, 2022 |
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Cabbages and Kings posted:Yea, so. Snow kept it from being 14 kids but also made outdoor stuff much harder. A few kids masked indoors. I woke up this morning with my stomach off and a little achey, took a (negative) COVID test but the timing there is so fast I was mostly thinking "I must have already been getting sick and not known it, better test and make sure I didn't get anyone else sick". Ain't that just the way. Good luck.
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prom candy posted:Thanks, hopefully I can get totally clear of this before I pick something else up lol I think I picked something else up lol. This takes me back to fall/winter 2019 when I was sick with various colds from mid-November to mid-January. That whole not getting sick for two years thing was pretty nice.
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Could simply be the same virus having a resurgence. My wife is having the same thing now - she's not seen anyone for a week due to having some sort of flu, and just as she was getting better, today she's worse again. Negative for Covid on a RAT, but who the heck knows, right?
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:Could simply be the same virus having a resurgence. My wife is having the same thing now - she's not seen anyone for a week due to having some sort of flu, and just as she was getting better, today she's worse again. My mom (who we saw on Friday and Saturday) just tested hot for COVID, and my wife is kinda sick now too and just had a RAT result that we're gonna treat as positive for now (no line at 15 mins but very faint line at ~25 mins.) I tested negative but I'm way less symptomatic than my wife. Regardless, looking like it might be another COVID Christmas for the prom candy family 
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:Negative for Covid on a RAT, but who the heck knows, right? Yeah RATs always had an annoyingly large margin of error and their accuracy seem to have dropped further and further as each new variant came along. Also I suspect that a lot of people just stick the swab up their nostril a little way and give it a quick swirl which is not going to get a great sample. Tips for swabbing the nostrils: don't stick the swab up the nostril, stick it back into the nasal cavity. Here's an Ear Nose & Throat specialist demonstrating the technique: https://twitter.com/DrEricLevi/status/1473185815597510656 Anecdotally, swabbing your throat as well as your nose seems to increase RAT sensitivity and helps detect an infection earlier rather than later. The first half of this video shows how to swab your throat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qHTBlxfNes Also I used to really hate doing swabs until I learned a trick to suppress my gag reflex: form a fist with your left hand, squeezing your thumb. The one time I had to go to a clinic early in the pandemic to take a PCR test I nearly choked when the clinician swabbed my throat, I wish I'd known that trick back then. 
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Also I used to really hate doing swabs until I learned a trick to suppress my gag reflex: form a fist with your left hand, squeezing your thumb. I've been doing this and it hasn't been helping but it's because I'm left handed and didn't realize it specifically has to be your left hand. Thanks for the info, I'm gonna come back fresh tomorrow and hopefully get that positive test result I've been working for!
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Yeah RATs always had an annoyingly large margin of error and their accuracy seem to have dropped further and further as each new variant came along. Also I suspect that a lot of people just stick the swab up their nostril a little way and give it a quick swirl which is not going to get a great sample. One of the biggest reasons I've tried so hard not to catch covid these last 3 years is just so I can avoid having to stab my brain to take the test.
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prom candy posted:I've been doing this and it hasn't been helping but it's because I'm left handed and didn't realize it specifically has to be your left hand. Thanks for the info, I'm gonna come back fresh tomorrow and hopefully get that positive test result I've been working for! I just went and googled a bunch of papers about palm acupressure suppressing the gag reflex and it looks like most of the researchers designed experiments which either hand (chosen randomly for each volunteer) and seemed to get similar results for both, but all the websites that reported on it only mentioned the left hand. I'm guessing the articles were written by righthanded people  Also it doesn't work for some people so you might be poo poo out of luck
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Cretin90 posted:Someone mind giving me the paxlovid “how to get this prescribed you dummy” link? Find your pharmacy of choice with Paxlovid in stock: https://covid-19-therapeutics-locator-dhhs.hub.arcgis.com/ Then go to https://www.pushhealth.com/drugs/paxlovid It's $69, but it's also the easiest to use of the online pill mills. Plus they'll give you a Rx for cough medicine if you ask.
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I think the CDC guidelines are some swiss cheese BS in some regards, but I also understand why some institutions use that as their guideline, it's a convenient sign to tap. What kind of boggles me is that people can't be assed to even do that anymore. As I said, we had a notification of exposure from someone at my older kid's party. My partner said that based on dropping kiddo off at school, none of the other attendees are, you know, masking for even a few days let alone the suggested 10. I'd seen kids sometimes masked and other times not so it's been easier to just sort of see it as background noise, but when you have a sample size of 6 kids that were at your party and are also in school and the only one of them who is masked is the one who was masked at the party and is generally masked, it's certainly disheartening. I have tentative clearance from the new school board to discuss and probably put corsi cubes in every class but that district doesn't exist until July.
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Raskolnikov2089 posted:Find your pharmacy of choice with Paxlovid in stock: I like interface on this other government site. Either presents identical data, I believe. I’m going to sound presidential here, but Google “drive thru pharmacy <city name>” and check those against the database if you don’t have COVID-negative friends or family to make the pickup for you. Wear an N95. And if drive thru is not an option, call the pharmacy and explain that you’re COVID-positive, and maybe they’d like you to wait outside while they come to you. To add another provider option, Sesame Care offers same-day video appointments. Doctors/nurses (and you may want an MD/DO) charge their own prices, but we’re talking like forty bucks here. It’s especially cheap with some promo codes floating around. TRYSESAME gets a month of their subscription service that saves twenty dollars on the appointment. Set a reminder on your calendar to cancel it later if not immediately. SESAME20 is good for twenty percent off a first (virtual) visit. HEALTHGRADES is supposed to be good for five dollars on anything. Telehealth is as always best for simple cases. They may well punt you if there’s drug shuffling to be done, and I don’t blame them. e: Someone pointed out that California residents are entitled to a no‐fee virtual visit. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Dec 23, 2022 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I just went and googled a bunch of papers about palm acupressure suppressing the gag reflex and it looks like most of the researchers designed experiments which either hand (chosen randomly for each volunteer) and seemed to get similar results for both, but all the websites that reported on it only mentioned the left hand. I'm guessing the articles were written by righthanded people I'm just too good at gagging I guess
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prom candy posted:I'm just too good at gagging I guess oh no you'll never be able to work at the dick sucking factory.
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prom candy posted:I'm just too good at gagging I guess So, this is going to sound goofy, but I've had good luck with it. I've had a sensitive gag reflex for ages, and the fist around the left thumb helped for years, but the efficacy has faded. What now works for me is starting with the fist clenched around the thumb, and then if the gag reflex persists, transitioning to pressing my middle and ring fingers against my palm as close to the wrist as I can get them (think Spider-Man's web shooting position). Purely anecdotal, but great success for me. If the gag reflex is because I'm trying to swallow pills, changing from the second hand position to a tightly clenched fist as I swallow also works. I may have mentioned before in this thread: bodies are weird, yo. ETA: apparently my job at the dick sucking factory is secure. Castaign fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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Raskolnikov2089 posted:Find your pharmacy of choice with Paxlovid in stock: Thanks. My brother just tested positive today and I’d like to do whatever I can to reduce his risk of long COVID. He is a hypochondriac and if you gave him an actual long term health condition as nebulous and lovely as long COVID I’m pretty sure he would be MISERABLE forever.
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Cretin90 posted:Thanks. My brother just tested positive today and I’d like to do whatever I can to reduce his risk of long COVID. He is a hypochondriac and if you gave him an actual long term health condition as nebulous and lovely as long COVID I’m pretty sure he would be MISERABLE forever. He should make extremely sure he doesn't have any of the disqualifying conditions/medications. That and send him a box of these: https://www.amazon.com/Vicks-VapoShower-Aromatherapy-Eucalyptus-Essential/dp/B08QTZBK5Y. COVID gold.
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Facebook Aunt posted:oh no you'll never be able to work at the dick sucking factory. They are required by the ADA to make a reasonable accommodation. Castaign posted:So, this is going to sound goofy, but I've had good luck with it. I've had a sensitive gag reflex for ages, and the fist around the left thumb helped for years, but the efficacy has faded. What now works for me is starting with the fist clenched around the thumb, and then if the gag reflex persists, transitioning to pressing my middle and ring fingers against my palm as close to the wrist as I can get them (think Spider-Man's web shooting position). Thanks I'll give this a whirl tomorrow when I'm deepthroating the swab.
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Raskolnikov2089 posted:He should make extremely sure he doesn't have any of the disqualifying conditions/medications. I was skeptical about those things but the last time I tried them they were surprisingly pleasant.
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COVID is so bad during pregnancy. NYT | paywall bypass quote:Data from a study in June 2020 showed that among pregnant women infected with Covid, about one in three ended up in the hospital, compared with about 6 percent of women who were not pregnant. Now that’s pre‐vaccine (and pre–infection‐acquired immunity), but that underscores the importance of keeping up to date on vaccination. quote:Yet only 70 percent of women have completed the primary vaccination series for Covid before or during pregnancy, meaning that roughly 30 percent of pregnant women have not had this basic protection. Since early September, only 15 percent have opted for a booster shot. quote:Pregnant women, their families and even their doctors may not realize the importance of immunization because of “sluggish and muddled” communication from public health agencies, Dr. Shah said. quote:In October 2021, Maven Clinic surveyed 500 women in the United States. Nearly 70 percent said at least one person had suggested they avoid the vaccine while pregnant. In about one-third of these cases, the source was a health care provider.
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Raskolnikov2089 posted:He should make extremely sure he doesn't have any of the disqualifying conditions/medications. Good looking out. He had a teledoc call with his pcp before getting the paxlovid and discussed it so I assume they said it’s fine but I asked him to make sure.
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Half my team that was going to work today is out sick. Ive got a 19 month old with a known COVID contact 3 days ago, a fever, obvious URI symptoms and a nasty cough showing pulse ox readings of 78-80, and am being told "well you might not be using an adult pulse ox correctly on a kid" (true, but I did it 12 times and the 7 times I was able to get it to lock it showed the same variable pulse with spo2 hard locked around 78) and "the soonest we can see you isn't until 3pm, but, if she develops blue lips in the meantime go straight to the ER" Oh also her daycare is completely closed for the rest of the week because despite child attrition they have too many providers out, most with COVID, to meet the required state ratio. This all seems normal, hope my kid isn't getting loving brain damaged while I write this.
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Platystemon posted:COVID is so bad during pregnancy. From the linked study: quote:Hospitalization was reported by a substantially higher percentage of pregnant women (31.5%) than nonpregnant women (5.8%) (Table 2). Data were not available to distinguish hospitalization for COVID-19–related circumstances (e.g., worsening respiratory status) from hospital admission for pregnancy-related treatment or procedures (e.g., delivery). I can't speak to the other findings, but really this result should read "30% of PREGNANT women who were Covid positive were hospitalized, compared to 6% of NONPREGNANT Covid positive women." It kind of seems like there might be a condition other than Covid that is responsible for these women being hospitalized. Also, big lol at "(e.g., delivery)." Yeah, I'm actually not surprised that pregnant women end up in the hospital far more often than nonpregnant women when you include "delivering a baby" as one of the reasons for hospitalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely understand that pregnant women should avoid getting Covid, and that if they do get it they are undoubtedly at a higher risk for serious outcomes. But the NYT article makes it sound like women who are pregnant are more than five times more likely to be hospitalized if they contract COVID than pregnant women who do not catch COVID. What that part of the study actually says is that pregnant women are more likely to be hospitalized than nonpregnant women.
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Castaign posted:From the linked study:  I think you're picking a weird angle here because the basic point of the article is that COVID is more dangerous to pregnant women than the vaccines, so unless you're trying to dispute that point, unsure why you're nitpicking this. I also don't know which "linkled study" you mean since you didn't... link it, but from the linked studies pluralhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25392166/ quote:Pregnant individuals with COVID-19 are at increased risk of intensive care unit (ICU) admission, mechanical ventilation, and death compared with both pregnant individuals without SARS-CoV-2 infection and nonpregnant adults with SARS-CoV-2 infection.1-3 While COVID-19 increases the risk of maternal morbidity related to the virus (eg, as a result of severe acute respiratory syndrome), it remains unknown whether pregnant individuals with SARS-CoV-2 infection experience higher risk of serious morbidity from obstetric complications. sounds safe https://archive.ph/o/8Tzs6/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8841149/ quote:Mounting evidence suggests that SARS-CoV-2 infection can cause both acute and chronic neurologic and psychiatric sequelae in adult and pediatric populations [29., 30., 31., 32., 33., 34.]. A recent study from the UK suggests that 3.8% of children hospitalized with COVID-19 experience a neurologic complication that also has long-term consequences, ranging from behavioral change, hallucinations, and encephalopathy sounds fine also from the study you DID cite, which is one of the oldest studies used here (june 2020) (https://archive.ph/o/8Tzs6/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7316319/), you sorta omitted this pretty significant thing quote:Infected pregnant women were 50 percent more likely to be admitted to intensive-care units and 70 percent more likely to need a ventilator. seems good? .... ... so what's your point, exactly? Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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Oops!...I did it again (contracted the novel coronavirus) It's not bad at all so far this time but I can't imagine it's good for my body. I guess maybe the move is gonna be to moderate my behaviour seasonally. We've been doing a lot and seeing a lot of people lately. I still say we should just move the holidays to summer in the northern hemisphere.
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Sorry, I was very specifically talking about platystemon's first quote: Data from a study in June 2020 showed that among pregnant women infected with Covid, about one in three ended up in the hospital, compared with about 6 percent of women who were not pregnant. Which in the article links to this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7316319/ Which is pretty clearly saying something different than what the article claims. No shade on platy, the article is making a really scary claim (30% of women pregnant women with Covid end up in the hospital!) that isn't supported by the linked study (or, rather, it's accurate, but the implication is that the study is comparing the likelihood of hospitalization between pregnant women with Covid and pregnant women without Covid, which isn't the case). ETA: quote:Infected pregnant women were 50 percent more likely to be admitted to intensive-care units and 70 percent more likely to need a ventilator. That's scary enough, but 50% more likely isn't the same as 5 times as likely, which is what the article seems to be implying. That was my only point. Castaign fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Dec 22, 2022 |
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prom candy posted:Oops!...I did it again (contracted the novel coronavirus) It's not really seasonal at this point I'm afraid. The new variants are coming so fast that spread is high year round. If you want to minimize how often you get it, a high quality mask is your best bet. Good luck, get you some Paxlovid if you can.
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Castaign posted:That's scary enough, but 50% more likely isn't the same as 5 times as likely, which is what the article seems to be implying. That statistic is still confounded to all hell. As you say, pregnant patients and nonpregnant patients are fundamentally in the hospital for different reasons. Generally, healthy people don’t go to the hospital, but they do if they’re pregnant. So they may be starting from a baseline of higher health yet still ending up in the ICU at a higher ratio. It should at least be compared to a base rate from prepandemic times. What is the relative risk ratio of ICU admission for pregnant patients, versus patients who are otherwise similar but not pregnant? The MMWR article uses the statistics raw because they’re not attempting to answer the question “how much worse is COVID-19 for pregnant individuals?” but rather something like “given that the hospital that you manage will see x admissions of pregnant persons, how much additional ICU burden should you expect?” Platystemon fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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Raskolnikov2089 posted:It's not really seasonal at this point I'm afraid. The new variants are coming so fast that spread is high year round. If you want to minimize how often you get it, a high quality mask is your best bet. Thanks! Here in Ontario you're only eligible for Paxlovid if you're high risk, which I'm definitely not. I'm surprisingly not very sick, hopefully it stays that way. No fever and just some mild congestion. My wife on the other hand is feeling pretty rough. I think we both picked it up on Friday. Also not sure if it means anything or if it's a coincidence but the line on her test was beet red and showed up right away and mine was super faint and took a while to appear. I guess she might've just taken a better sample than me.
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Platystemon posted:That statistic is still confounded to all hell. Understood; my quibble wasn't with the study, but rather with the way the NYT presented the findings. And even then, I don't think that they were fearmongering or being deliberately deceptive, just careless. Again, I am 100% in agreement that pregnant people (and everyone else) should be vaccinated and avoid Covid like the... uh. You know. Plague. I've also developed a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to inaccurate or misleading framing of things that are absolutely bad enough without exaggerated inaccuracies. Covid definitely qualifies. Cabbages and Kings posted:I think you're picking a weird angle here because the basic point of the article is that COVID is more dangerous to pregnant women than the vaccines, so unless you're trying to dispute that point, unsure why you're nitpicking this. Also, this is an equally weird angle IMO. I actually think it is important to correct major inaccuracies, even if I agree with the overall point of the article. There's a reason why it was a very bad idea for the CDC and WHO to tell everyone at the beginning of the pandemic that masks were a combination of pointless and unsafe. Their reasons for that (deliberately) false claim were good (to preserve a mask supply for medical professionals), but the end result was a complete undermining of their credibility. Providing incorrect information is almost never going to be a good approach. Castaign fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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Now that China has dropped their Zero Covid stance they seem to have done a complete 180 and their new plan is Maximum Covid in order to reach herd immunity. https://twitter.com/YanzhongHuang/status/1605387433905889282 https://twitter.com/YanzhongHuang/status/1605388459946172416 https://twitter.com/jgownder/status/1605562719599439872 It's super clear from how things shook out in the rest of the world that herd immunity just isn't possible, but on the other hand countries like the US have declared that their covid pandemic emergency has ended so I guess that China is racing to join them Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Dec 22, 2022 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Now that China has dropped their Zero Covid stance they seem to have done a complete 180 and their new plan is Maximum Covid in order to reach herd immunity. Don't they have really bad vaccine uptake in the elderly population? I've been pretty sceptical of zero-COVID as a long term approach but this seems like it might not go too well for them.
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prom candy posted:Don't they have really bad vaccine uptake in the elderly population? I've been pretty sceptical of zero-COVID as a long term approach but this seems like it might not go too well for them. Yeah I think the toll on human life is going to be shockingly bad, this is a really upsetting turn of events 
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prom candy posted:Don't they have really bad vaccine uptake in the elderly population? I've been pretty sceptical of zero-COVID as a long term approach but this seems like it might not go too well for them. Nobody is saying it out loud but getting rid of retirees early may not be seen as entirely a bad thing. The one child policy left them in an especially bad position with how many workers there are to support each retiree.
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Zugzwang posted:Even if Zero Covid became impossible, the total and immediate shift to Zero Covid Restrictions is, uh, not great. Lotta sane middle ground between those extremes. Is there? China may be speedrunning this shift in public policy, but they're following the trail laid out by the rest of the world. The last three years suggest there's no appetite for anything else. Every other country in the world went from whatever restrictions and lockdowns they had in place to loving and sucking the doorknobs in Denny's bathrooms until their rear end turned blue (as is my understanding) once zero COVID was clearly impossible, with the arrival of Omicron, at the latest.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It's super clear from how things shook out in the rest of the world that herd immunity just isn't possible, but on the other hand countries like the US have declared that their covid pandemic emergency has ended so I guess that China is racing to join them Facebook Aunt posted:Nobody is saying it out loud but getting rid of retirees early may not be seen as entirely a bad thing. The one child policy left them in an especially bad position with how many workers there are to support each retiree.
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Fuschia tude posted:Is there? Yeah Australia went "Oh this delta variant isn't so bad, let's just open up and see how things go" right before omicron hit, but New Zealand saw what happened in Australia and opened up two months later 
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