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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
| dragonfly |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
| 🐝 |
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87 | 21.53% |
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no, not the street signs
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Dec 22, 2022 16:14
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Cerebral Bore posted:one could ask how, given that the city is supposed to be in ruins, there are still tens of thousands of homes to demolish when big israel sees a bunch of russian houses they get really excited about demolitions, just kind of jump the gun
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Dec 22, 2022 16:14
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Rutibex posted:
the use of fasces in us iconography predates the existence of fascism, you are committing anachronism
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Dec 22, 2022 16:21
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Ardennes posted:Admittedly, there those who are able to "make the jump", there is a reason so much property in London is owned by Russians and so many people in Moscow desire a ridiculous accent in the "Queen's English." It is usually I never found them to be very happy, I guess you shouldn't meet your gods. Pari shōkōgun-rear end syndrome
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Dec 22, 2022 16:22
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gradenko_2000 posted:there's more than one Papist on this forum avignon papacy back in business, baby
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Dec 22, 2022 16:24
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lobster shirt posted:the use of fasces in us iconography predates the existence of fascism, you are committing anachronism Given that fascist cribbed off the US, technically the US is the proto-fascist state and therefore it always existed through the US! 
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Dec 22, 2022 16:27
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lobster shirt posted:the use of fasces in us iconography predates the existence of fascism, you are committing anachronism yeah hitler got all of his ideas from america not ancient rome
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Dec 22, 2022 16:31
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Aren't both Washington and fascist iconography cribbing off ancient Rome
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Dec 22, 2022 16:31
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yunichel posted:Aren't both Washington and fascist iconography cribbing off ancient Rome when you want to conquer and enslave everyone you stick to the classic symbols
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Dec 22, 2022 16:33
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What I find funny about the evil empire accusation is that very clear mass murder was very much how the UK and the US operate, but it really doesn’t matter. The moral politics are simply a distraction. The issue is people getting side tracked into thinking they do when the people who most often bring it up absolutely don’t care when their side (the West) does the same and often worse. It is from their perspective simply about power. (I would also argue that the eventual continuity of civilization is on the line as well but there does seem to be a bit of suicidal nihilism at play as well.) ——— In the case of modern Russia, I would say the issue is people simply don’t know what they are really doing and where to go. Both Western looking liberal and Russian nationalists are trapped in a situation where the best they can hope for is an devolving liberal state, with the liberals demanding only further acceleration. ——— Also, as far a de-Stalinization went you could have easily moved away from the cult of personality without the self-destructive choices Khrushchev was making. The problem is he was working from a position that was inherently self-destructive but was seemingly compulsive. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 17:16 on Dec 22, 2022 |
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Dec 22, 2022 16:45
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yunichel posted:Aren't both Washington and fascist iconography cribbing off ancient Rome the founding fathers did tons of Rome cosplay… the society of cincinnatus,the complete and utter destruction of a race, used Latin in everything blah blah
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Dec 22, 2022 16:52
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 It's a photoshop. First the fake ban message, now this, what else will the media literacy thread jump on without bothering to check? 
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Dec 22, 2022 17:24
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Leandros posted:
how do we know that this isn't the image that is photoshopped?
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Dec 22, 2022 17:30
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Leandros posted:
It's not photoshopped, it's been flipped to make the SS more legible. Looks like it's supposed to be something in Ukrainian.
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Dec 22, 2022 17:31
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Ardennes posted:In the case of modern Russia, I would say the issue is people simply don’t know what they are really doing and where to go. Both Western looking liberal and Russian nationalists are trapped in a situation where the best they can hope for is an devolving liberal state, with the liberals demanding only further acceleration. Ardennes posted:Also, as far a de-Stalinization went you could have easily moved away from the cult of personality without the self-destructive choices Khrushchev was making. The problem is he was working from a position that was inherently suicidal. part of the problem with this, is that it's a pretty un-marxist way of thinking about history, more in common with "great man" theories, which is a shame because i think that'll also distort people's ability to rationally understand events as they are occuring right now, or make predictions about where things are headed. and even back then, people got so used to essentially worshipping stalin that they totally abandoned marxism when stuff that was pretty obvious came out because they believed it had "blinded" them. or this kinda "history" exists as the opposite of the "stalin as evil" books. it basically accepts the argument that if stalin did those things, then he'd be evil or insane, and since he wasn't those things, he didn't do the thing. but it's possible there were rational (if cynical) reasons for doing things that seem highly irrational or inexplicable (or "evil") from the perspective of someone standing here, right now, in 2022. or it might not be possible to be the leader of a country like the USSR, particularly at that time, without doing things that run up against the limits of "morality" particularly from the perspective of a guy who grew up in what was basically a feudal society under the tsarist yoke where people were hanged for just looking at somebody funny.
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Dec 22, 2022 17:32
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You're welcome to find the ratio of photos featuring the additional 4 to ones not featuring it: https://www.google.com/search?q=zelensky+pelosi+flag
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Dec 22, 2022 17:32
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Leandros posted:
check the words “to the house”. notice how one is reverse and the other isn’t? why do you think that is
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Dec 22, 2022 17:34
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Not So Fast posted:It's not photoshopped, it's been flipped to make the SS more legible. Looks like it's supposed to be something in Ukrainian. By photoshopped I mean it's been altered to change what is on the flag, not flipped. Does this help make it more clear? 
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Dec 22, 2022 17:34
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Leandros posted:
Leandros posted:You're welcome to find the ratio of photos featuring the additional 4 to ones not featuring it: https://www.google.com/search?q=zelensky+pelosi+flag dont care + youre gay (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 22, 2022 17:35
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oh whoops dutch poster, shall not be engaging anymore
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Dec 22, 2022 17:36
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Not So Fast posted:It's not photoshopped, It might not be edited with Adobe Photoshop. Maybe they used MS Paint or PowerPoint. Who can say whether the edited image was photoshopped or not? No one doctored the image. Maybe it was seen by a nurse or physician's assistant instead?
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Dec 22, 2022 17:37
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I think the question of whether the flag was photoshopped or not is of secondary importance and a distraction from the real question of whether Ukraine is the sort of country that would write a hate symbol on their own flag to which the answer is unequivocally yes.
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Dec 22, 2022 17:41
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The Russians photoshopped the image To demonstrate that they could photoshop other images also
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Dec 22, 2022 17:44
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gradenko_2000 posted:there's more than one Austerity Papist on this forum
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Dec 22, 2022 17:45
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the ukrainians photoshopped it but like, not in a nazi way, they just really like the little stylized SS of the US Marine Scout Snipers, pure coincidence
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Dec 22, 2022 17:46
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Starsfan posted:I think the question of whether the flag was photoshopped or not is of secondary importance and a distraction from the real question of whether Ukraine is the sort of country that would write a hate symbol on their own flag to which the answer is unequivocally yes. You can make that point without stooping to the level of propagating easily disproven content though, probably helps your cause in the long run too 
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Dec 22, 2022 17:47
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speaking of this trad polytheism, FF what are your takeaway from the books about the rebirth of slavic paganism in ukraine? That specific branch of IE religion gets overlooked in favor of norse heathenry/greco-roman revivals or more crunchy new agey types like wicca.
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Dec 22, 2022 17:51
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Leandros posted:You can make that point without stooping to the level of propagating easily disproven content though, probably helps your cause in the long run too I don't think anything I post in any part of this forum can help "my cause" whatever the hell that means.
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Dec 22, 2022 17:52
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:putin seems like a bonapartist figure, which is what zyuganov called him when he came to power. he's everything and nothing. one minute he's building a monument to fidel castro and then the next he's meeting with descendants of the romanovs. I would say also there is an additional indecision there: is the West supposed to be idealized or opposed as apart of this Bonaparte-esque regime? In some ways the choice is already being made for Putin, but there is a clear awkwardness of retaining if not idolizing the culture of an enemy that your fighting and who genuinely wants to ruin your country. quote:he made a lot of impulsive decisions. but today, the people i've run across who are really invested in stalin often sound like grover furr, whose hagiographies are more like the kinda books that conservative catholics write about christopher columbus being slandered. I would say the issue is more of a "great man" problem in the first place. Obviously, Stalin as an individual had an unique-effect on the Soviet Union, but how much did he actually matter? Would the First five-year plan probably still happen? (Yes, it was already part of an inter-party debate at the same) Would collectivization as happen as well? (Probably, also part of the same debate at the time) Would most of the deaths of the Famine happen? (Yeah probably, you can't change the climate and industry was going to be prioritized) How about the Purge? (considering the rest that was going to happen, I think there was also going to be an inter-party meltdown, but it may have ended up more as an inter-party civil war than how it occured) The problem is taking the "evil sorcerer" narrative and flipping it around when the answer is just that the issues facing the Soviet Union were in fact much larger than even Stalin himself, and for the most part were honestly structural. If Trotsky had won out would have most of the same beats happen? In fact they probably would have. I do think industrializing the Soviet Union was going to be a costly process that one way or the other was going to laid on the back of the peasantry and no I don't think the Stolypin plan would have made a difference. I would say Krushchev was actually different in the sense something like the degree of de-Stalinization and the secret speech were up to him more as an individual. The natural course would have just sort of cover up Stalin and move on with the Cold War ,but he really wanted a thaw with the West and it cost him severely. It a question isn't evil or not evil, but I actually think Stalin wasn't that much of an aberration for the CPSU while Krushchev was. Brezhnev was a return to "normality" but he clearly was a rather mediocre leader that was much more interested in his own personal comfort and eventually you ended but with the a true weak link in the form of Gorbachev.
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Dec 22, 2022 17:58
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Ardennes posted:I would say also there is an additional indecision there: is the West supposed to be idealized or opposed as apart of this Bonaparte-esque regime? In some ways the choice is already being made for Putin, but there is a clear awkwardness of retaining if not idolizing the culture of an enemy that your fighting and who genuinely wants to ruin your country.
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Dec 22, 2022 18:00
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Trotsky was also pretty sexy actually... maybe in another time, another place, he could have also hosed my wife. But right now we just have Zelensky to handle that sort of thing, and Personally I'm OK with htat
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Dec 22, 2022 18:02
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Slavvy posted:Lmfao ok As far as Trotsky goes he was pushing for industrialization and the consolidation of agriculture earlier than Stalin. He just alienated large parts of the Central Committee and made a mess. I guess you could argue that he wasn't strong enough of a leader for it to happen, but I don't think for example Mikoyan or Ordzhonikidze would have strayed far from the path the party was already taking. The point being there was an emerging party consensus that was greater than individual members even Stalin. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 18:09 on Dec 22, 2022 |
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Dec 22, 2022 18:05
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iCe-CuBe. posted:Trotsky was also pretty sexy actually... maybe in another time, another place, he could have also hosed my wife. But right now we just have Zelensky to handle that sort of thing, and Personally I'm OK with htat 
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Dec 22, 2022 18:05
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Gorbachev is interesting because he was probably the last person in the USSR who still thought communism was possible if they reformed hard enough. Oops
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Dec 22, 2022 18:05
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Gorbachev is interesting because he was probably the last person in the USSR who still thought communism was possible if they reformed hard enough. Oops Didn't he admit he'd always wanted social democracy or was that just him trying to improve his image while doing Louis Vuitton ads?
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Dec 22, 2022 18:11
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Gorbachev is interesting because he was probably the last person in the USSR who still thought communism was possible if they reformed hard enough. Oops Eh, he was already pushing for social democracy by 1990, I don't think he was a true believer in the party but I also think he was truly naive in how he viewed the development of social systems in the West. I don't think he was an actual traitor (like Yeltsin) but he had betrayed the core values of the party. I just don't think it was out of malice but that he just wasn't that bright and was surrounded by people who only wanted to "experiment" for their own gain in particular Yavlinsky.
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Dec 22, 2022 18:12
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SplitSoul posted:Didn't he admit he'd always wanted social democracy or was that just him trying to improve his image while doing Louis Vuitton ads? That's him trying to paint himself as a clever dude instead of a total dipshit. Every time there was a crisis in the USSR he'd hide away and read lemon to try and find a solution in the sacred texts. He was, at least at first, a totally committed Leninist. People around him like Yakovlev definitely just wanted to burn it all down though
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Dec 22, 2022 18:13
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I've recommended it before, maybe even in this thread but Zubok's book on the collapse of the USSR is very good. It's called Collapse.
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Dec 22, 2022 18:15
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iCe-CuBe. posted:Trotsky was also pretty sexy actually... maybe in another time, another place, he could have also hosed my wife. But right now we just have Zelensky to handle that sort of thing, and Personally I'm OK with htat  
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Dec 22, 2022 18:17
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