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Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

mawarannahr posted:

this hasn’t been FF content for a while, like, almost 1000 years

pffff he's like one of the few people posting about the third rome.

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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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They also invented a whole bunch of traditions for their airborne guys after 2014 and made it really weirdly religious, with imagery of Saint Michael everywhere. That the most "elite" (non-Azov) part of the military is still exclusionary and ideologically aligned, just Catholic instead of Neo-Pagan also doesn't feel coincidental. None of this overt Catholicism was present before 2014, obviously lol 1991.

It's interesting that there seems to be "highbrow" and "lowbrow" Ukrainian Nationalism springing from the same source but with different aesthetics, and similarly relying on invented ritual, symbolism and appeals to a mythological past. Compared to almost any saint you could pick, Saint Michael has a very different standing in Catholicism compared to the Eastern Orthodox Church, so once again it's Galicia shifting... idk a cultural Overton window?

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Gresh
Jan 12, 2019


thats not candy
Mar 10, 2010

Hell Gem

lmao

sum
Nov 15, 2010

Dunno if this got posted but while Zelensky was in the US, Shoigu announced an enormous expansion of the RuAF. Notably it looks they're moving away from the BTG/brigade system and back towards divisions

Военный Осведомитель posted:


What awaits the Armed Forces following from the speech of the Minister of Defense?

- Formation of two new-old districts - Moscow and Leningrad.
- Formation of an army corps in Karelia.
- Formation of two motorized rifle divisions in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions.
- Two new airborne assault divisions of the Airborne Forces.
- Seven motorized rifle and tank brigades stationed in the districts, as well as in the Northern Fleet, will be reorganized into divisions.
- Marine brigades will also become divisions.
- The reform will also affect the HQS. Eight bomber and one fighter regiments will be formed.
- Deployment of six brigades of army aviation.
- Eight artillery divisions and brigades, including large capacity.
- A gradual change in the age of conscription for military service from 18 years to 21 years, as well as the age limit of 30 instead of 27 years.
- Increasing the strength of the Armed Forces to 1.5 million people, including 670,000 contract soldiers.
- The tank army must contain a mixed air division and an AA brigade.

All of the above generally looks like a large-scale reform of the Armed Forces based on the results of 10 months of the SVO in Ukraine. Well, the main question is how, and how well it will be implemented in practice.
@milinfolive
(from t.me/milinfolive/94663, via tgsa)

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die



dudes rock

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

sum posted:

Dunno if this got posted but while Zelensky was in the US, Shoigu announced an enormous expansion of the RuAF. Notably it looks they're moving away from the BTG/brigade system and back towards divisions

(from t.me/milinfolive/94663, via tgsa)

There was a end of year meeting where government officials made several speeches and presentations yesterday.

I think most people just kind of overlooked it because it's not as interesting as Zelenskyi's visit to US.

Also some joke photos of various guys falling asleep in the audience.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

sum posted:

Dunno if this got posted but while Zelensky was in the US, Shoigu announced an enormous expansion of the RuAF. Notably it looks they're moving away from the BTG/brigade system and back towards divisions

(from t.me/milinfolive/94663, via tgsa)

Somebody got my letters!

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

hey mlp do the pixels look right??

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
zelensky getting into 40k for all the wrong reasons

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Lostconfused posted:

There was a end of year meeting where government officials made several speeches and presentations yesterday.

I think most people just kind of overlooked it because it's not as interesting as Zelenskyi's visit to US.

Also some joke photos of various guys falling asleep in the audience.

The full text is up and freely available, but you need to VPN in (Norway worked). It blocks access from US IPs.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
if that's not bullshit then i guess the future of endless war between east and west is actually happening

seems insane to me because its going to gently caress up the markets. I guess the rich are just going to put all their money in the MIC.

Gresh
Jan 12, 2019


Endman posted:

dudes rock

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

lobotomy molo posted:

hey mlp do the pixels look right??

hmmmm


wait a second... is that... no it can't be?!


it's hitler!!!

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Frosted Flake posted:

They also invented a whole bunch of traditions for their airborne guys after 2014 and made it really weirdly religious, with imagery of Saint Michael everywhere. That the most "elite" (non-Azov) part of the military is still exclusionary and ideologically aligned, just Catholic instead of Neo-Pagan also doesn't feel coincidental. None of this overt Catholicism was present before 2014, obviously lol 1991.

It's interesting that there seems to be "highbrow" and "lowbrow" Ukrainian Nationalism springing from the same source but with different aesthetics, and similarly relying on invented ritual, symbolism and appeals to a mythological past. Compared to almost any saint you could pick, Saint Michael has a very different standing in Catholicism compared to the Eastern Orthodox Church, so once again it's Galicia shifting... idk a cultural Overton window?

isn’t January 19 for orthodox ?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009


it’s nice to see young people who believe and have faith

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

sum posted:

Dunno if this got posted but while Zelensky was in the US, Shoigu announced an enormous expansion of the RuAF. Notably it looks they're moving away from the BTG/brigade system and back towards divisions

(from t.me/milinfolive/94663, via tgsa)

Стрелков Игорь Иванович posted:

- "Bet on helicopters". Which nowadays practically stopped flying over the modern battlefield at all (they are shot down there in packs, you see...), The Minister of Defense did not say a word about the creation of units and subunits of attack unmanned aviation. "It is not ours..." Well, at least I'm glad he didn't mention the creation of "airborne bomber divisions"... on dirigibles... Although all is still to come...

- I find it strange that our army still plans to keep (and even slightly increase) some number of motorized rifle formations. This is probably temporary - until the basis for transferring all "non-tank" units and formations to either the Airborne Forces or the Marines is established. Why not just immediately reassign ("fifty-fifty") all infantrymen to paratroopers and marines? That would certainly increase their combat effectiveness, wouldn't it? And, in general, I think, that there was an unfortunate mistake in the text of the minister's speech: he said "to re-form", when he should have said "to re-name". First, because renaming is much faster. - Yesterday it was a brigade, but today it is already a division! Beautiful, huh?!? And there is no need for a large number of trained officers and soldiers, or masses of additional combat equipment.... Companies are renamed battalions, battalions are renamed regiments, regiments are renamed brigades, brigades are renamed divisions. The AFU will immediately capitulate without a fight when they realize what force they are up against... And, very importantly (evil tongues suspect that the whole point of this "reform" is in this nuance) - we get a lot of new general positions.

- Rocket artillery has not shown itself in this war. It is not capable of destroying a lousy bridge over the Dnieper River. So we go back to the good old experience of the 1st World War - we create back TAON (heavy artillery of special-purpose) and begin to plan the construction of 600-mm cannons of "Dora" type and mortars of "Karl" type. We have a long war ahead of us, a position war... We will be sheltering behind the "Faberge/Surovikin Line" - we will shoot the enemy with such big guns that he will not even dare to approach our positions...
(from t.me/strelkovii/3586, via tgsa)

Just machine translating it, but I think it's pretty clear what he thinks.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

toplel

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

mawarannahr posted:

isn’t January 19 for orthodox ?

January 7. Well, depending on the Church or Patriarchate, which is yet another element of all the low-grade religious feuding coming to the fore here. January 19th is observed by Orthodox Churches not closely affiliated with the Russian Orthodox Church, so far as I understand.

Also "Why not just immediately reassign ("fifty-fifty") all infantrymen to paratroopers and marines? That would certainly increase their combat effectiveness, wouldn't it?"

Was it the strategy thread that talked about autodidacts? because this is really... lol.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Decolonization of Ukraine will not be complete until the Ukrainian language is written in Latin characters.

Tankbuster posted:

thats not the indian ocean thats the arabian sea and persian gulf.

Couple pages back but this is a new bugbear of mine what with NZ politicians thinking we are in the Indo-Pacific. The Arabian Sea is a region of the northern Indian Ocean.

Frosted Flake posted:

I mean the giant rear end book on it pretty explicitly says its the civic religion of blood and soil nationalism, with no theological or historical basis but a way to add more rite and ritual to being in Azov, more or less

Title please? Sorry if I missed it. Oh and thanks for the info on the Roman Catholic roots of Canada earlier.

Ardennes posted:

I would say the issue is more of a "great man" problem in the first place. Obviously, Stalin as an individual had an unique-effect on the Soviet Union, but how much did he actually matter?
...
Would most of the deaths of the Famine happen? (Yeah probably, you can't change the climate and industry was going to be prioritized)

The counterfactual I like to think about is what if industrialization wasn't prioritized as heavily, allowing the worst of the famine to be mitigated. Seems to me that this would have given the Nazis a big advantage, possibly (probably?) resulting in more overall deaths.
Was Stalin morally correct to do the holodomor?

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

Regarde Aduck posted:

hmmmm


wait a second... is that... no it can't be?!


it's hitler!!!

hitlers back baby!

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Frosted Flake posted:

It’s comforting to know Corbyn and Sanders had naïve power-adverse wimp precedent.

Can't speak to Corbyn that much but I feel like this understates that Sanders is entirely satisfied with how things turned out. This is what he wanted and what he and his handpicked team fought for.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Weka posted:

Was Stalin morally correct

It is sometimes asked whether it is not possible to slow down the tempo somewhat, to put a check on the movement. No, comrades, it is not possible! The tempo must not be reduced! On the contrary, we must increase it as much as is within our powers and possibilities. This is dictated to us by our obligations to the workers and peasants of the USSR. This is dictated to us by our obligations to the working class of the whole world.

To slacken the tempo would mean falling behind. And those who fall behind get beaten. But we do not want to be beaten. No, we refuse to be beaten! One feature of the history of old Russia was the continual beatings she suffered because of her backwardness. She was beaten by the Mongol khans. She was beaten by the Turkish beys. She was beaten by the Swedish feudal lords. She was beaten by the Polish and Lithuanian gentry. She was beaten by the British and French capitalists. She was beaten by the Japanese barons. All beat her because of her backwardness, military backwardness, cultural backwardness, political backwardness, industrial backwardness, agricultural backwardness. They beat her because to do so was profitable and could be done with impunity. Do you remember the words of the prerevolutionary poet: "You are poor and abundant, mighty and impotent, Mother Russia." Those gentlemen were quite familiar with the verses of the old poet. They beat her, saying: "You are abundant; so one can enrich oneself at your expense. They beat her, saying: "You are poor and impotent '" so you can be beaten and plundered with impunity. Such is the law of the exploiters-to beat the backward and the weak. It is the jungle law of capitalism. You are backward, you are weak-therefore you are wrong; hence, you can be beaten and enslaved. You are mighty-therefore you are right; hence, we must be wary of you. That is why we must no longer lag behind.

In the past we had no fatherland, nor could we have one. But now that we have overthrown capitalism and power is in our hands, in the hands of the people, we have a fatherland, and we will defend its independence. Do you want our socialist fatherland to be beaten and to lose its independence? If you do not want this you must put an end to its backwardness in the shortest possible time and develop genuine Bolshevik tempo in building up its socialist system of economy. There is no other way. That is why Lenin said on the eve of the October Revolution: "Either perish, or overtake and outstrip the advanced capitalist countries.

We are fifty or a hundred years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or we shall be crushed.

Was Stalin morally correct to look to the west?

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


bedpan posted:

Can't speak to Corbyn that much but I feel like this understates that Sanders is entirely satisfied with how things turned out. This is what he wanted and what he and his handpicked team fought for.

As I am not an American I’m sure I’m missing something here, but didn’t Sanders and his team achieve nothing at all?

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Weka posted:

Title please? Sorry if I missed it. Oh and thanks for the info on the Roman Catholic roots of Canada earlier.

The Return of Ancestral Gods: Modern Ukrainian Paganism as an Alternative Vision for a Nation (Wink, wink)

How socio-political turmoil has inspired a new religious movement based on the imagined past.

As Ukraine struggles to find its national identity, modern Ukrainian Pagans offer an alternative vision of the Ukrainian nation. Drawing inspiration from the spiritual life of past millennia, they strive to return to the pre-Christian roots of their ancestors. Since Christianity dominates the spiritual discourse in Ukraine, Pagans are marginalized, and their ideas are perceived as radical.

In The Return of Ancestral Gods, Mariya Lesiv explores Pagan beliefs and practices in Ukraine and amongst the North American Ukrainian diaspora. Drawing on intensive fieldwork, archival documents, and published sources not available in English, she allows the voices of Pagans to be heard. Paganism in Slavic countries is heavily charged with ethno-nationalist politics, and previous scholarship has mainly focused on this aspect. Lesiv finds it important to consider not only how Paganism is preached but also the way that it is understood on a private level. She shows that many Ukrainians embrace Paganism because of its aesthetic aspects rather than its associated politics and discusses the role that aesthetics may play in the further development of Ukrainian Paganism.

Paganism in Eastern Europe remains underrepresented within Pagan studies, and this work helps to fill that gap. Extensive comparative references to various forms of Western Paganism allows English-speaking readers to better understand the world of Ukrainian Pagans.

https://www.mqup.ca/return-of-ancestral-gods--the-products-9780773542624.php

But related to Canada, would it shock you to know that part of the reason Ukrainian nationalists were enabled here was not just for Cold War realpolitik but because of the internal religious conflicts that have made up Canadian history?





The joke mentioned at the end of the first page was that their new reported had a French surname so the editors wrote "Despite the name, Mike is Protestant".

That's from For Canada's Sake: Public Religion, Centennial Celebrations, and the Re-making of Canada in the 1960s

In 1967, Canadians cheered and ate cake on Parliament Hill, spent millions on outlandish modern buildings, and flocked to the World Expo in Montreal. In his groundbreaking book, Gary Miedema uses Canada's centennial celebrations to illustrate how religion informed nation-building and national identity during the 1960s.

Breaking away from the traditional analysis of church policy, sermons, and clerical scholarship, For Canada's Sake presents an exemplary analysis of the meaning behind religiously informed public celebrations and rituals such as centennial hymns and prayers and Expo pavillions. Miedema argues that the 1967 celebrations reveal the continued importance of religion to Canadian public life, showing that a waning "Christian Canada" was being replaced by an officially "interfaith" country. The author throws into bold relief the varied attempts of government officials and religious leaders to come to terms with new Canadian and global realities, as well as the response of Canadians to their own increasing religious diversity.

In a post-9/11 world where public religion has become hotly contested, Miedema's valuable study sheds light on how Canada has been reconstructed through a greater recognition of religious pluralism.

So, Ukrainian Nationalism of the Galician kind found very fertile soil in Canada because basically they helped maintain the balance between the Anglo Mainline Churches and French RCs, settled outside of Montreal or Toronto where any tipping of the demographic balance had historically ended in riots, and were committed anticommunists. Canadian Catholic organizations and Papal officials of various kinds helped doctor their histories in the Displaced Persons camps and get them to Canada, as part of a ratline, but the Canadian government was happy to participate as well.

I love my beautiful mosaic nation.

e: It also says that the Ukrainians did not get along with the Jewish community that was also beginning to assert religious and ethnic identity in Canada at that time, more or less shrugging it off as "for some reason" jfc Canada lol.

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Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Endman posted:

As I am not an American I’m sure I’m missing something here, but didn’t Sanders and his team achieve nothing at all?

:thejoke:, I think

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

bedpan posted:

Can't speak to Corbyn that much but I feel like this understates that Sanders is entirely satisfied with how things turned out. This is what he wanted and what he and his handpicked team fought for.

Corbyn was weak and his weakness doomed us, it's great

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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ContinuityNewTimes posted:

Corbyn was weak and his weakness doomed us, it's great

Left = Nice is deeply, deeply engraved into people.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Endman posted:

As I am not an American I’m sure I’m missing something here, but didn’t Sanders and his team achieve nothing at all?

When asked, Sanders (in a recent interview) spoke to his having "raised awareness" and "built a movement." Additionally, Sanders' best friend in the world Joe Biden was elected and Sanders was at pains during the primary campaign to say how he and Joe were exactly the same in policies and goals.

Awareness raised. Movement built. Trump defeated. Best friend Joe Biden elected, who could not have won without Sanders' vocal support and the votes and volunteer hours of Sanders' supporters.

Organ Fiend
May 21, 2007

custom title

Weka posted:

Decolonization of Ukraine will not be complete until the Ukrainian language is written in Latin characters.

Decolonization of Ukraine will not be complete until every Galician fascist is removed from her lands.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Weka posted:

Decolonization of Ukraine will not be complete until the Ukrainian language is written in Latin characters.

They should just become poles.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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Tankbuster posted:

They should just become poles.

It kind of seems like the ethnogenesis of the non-Russian Ukrainians is that they were "Poles" who sided against the Polish Revolt and had a different liturgical language.



I can't get over the fact that they were even called Rusyns (suspiciously similar to "Russians") when their main enemies were the Poles. That all made sense within Austria-Hungary but when they were merged with the former Russian Empire they didn't consider themselves Russians either, so here we are.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

The only thing I can say about Ukrainian paratroopers is that it's a bit funny that they had to switch to red and gold color scheme because they couldn't use the Soviet/russian ultramarine and gold anymore.

Pretzel Rod Serling
Aug 6, 2008



Organ Fiend posted:

Decolonization of Ukraine will not be complete until every Galician fascist is removed from her lands.

genocide much??? GBS mods? You seeing this????

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Regarde Aduck posted:

hmmmm


wait a second... is that... no it can't be?!


it's hitler!!!

lol

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
He looks jealous

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I believe I may have found the cause of US support for the war,

Oil Empire: Visions of Prosperity in Austrian Galicia
At the beginning of the twentieth century, the Austrian Empire ranked third among the world’s oil-producing states (surpassed only by the United States and Russia), and accounted for five percent of global oil production. By 1918, the Central Powers did not have enough oil to maintain a modern military. How and why did the promise of oil fail Galicia (the province producing the oil) and the Empire?

In a brilliantly conceived work, Alison Frank traces the interaction of technology, nationalist rhetoric, social tensions, provincial politics, and entrepreneurial vision in shaping the Galician oil industry. She portrays this often overlooked oil boom’s transformation of the environment, and its reorientation of religious and social divisions that had defined a previously agrarian population, as surprising alliances among traditional foes sprang up among workers and entrepreneurs, at the workplace, and in the pubs and brothels of new oiltowns.

Frank sets this complex story in a context of international finance, technological exchange, and Habsburg history as a sobering counterpoint to traditional modernization narratives. As the oil ran out, the economy, the population, and the environment returned largely to their former state, reminding us that there is nothing ineluctable about the consequences of industrial development.
https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674025417

Galicia was also the Texas of Austria-Hungary. Imagining them as Albertans, even before they started coming here... I have to say it resonates lmao.

e: but fr, it turns out Galicia was the birthplace of Hasidic Judaism and Jewish nationalism as well. There's a book called The roots of Ukrainian nationalism: Galicia as Ukraine's Piedmont that I can't find but appears to be a slam dunk for what I'm coming around to. It's cited all over the place.

ee: also one The Politics of Cultural Retreat: Imperial Bureaucracy in Austrian Galicia, 1772-1867, which has an interesting premise I don't quite understand: "An illuminating history of state-building, nationalism, and bureaucracy, this book tells the story of how an international cohort of Austrian officials from Bohemia, Hungary, the Hapsburg Netherlands, Italy, and several German states administered Galicia from its annexation from Poland-Lithuania in 1772 until the beginning of Polish autonomy in 1867. Historian Iryna Vushko examines the interactions between these German-speaking bureaucrats and the local Galician population of Poles, Ukrainians, and Jews. She reveals how Enlightenment-inspired theories of modernity and supranational uniformity essentially backfired, ultimately bringing about results that starkly contradicted the original intentions and ideals of the imperial governors."

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atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

Frosted Flake posted:

Left = Nice is deeply, deeply engraved into people.

long and storied tradition stretching back at least to ancient rome of being fooled into thinking the ruling class has even a single scruple

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