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Carr is easily in the top 10.
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Top 10 Raiders quarterbacks in the last decade maybe
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Dec 23, 2022 01:15
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Top 6 unfortunately (they've only had 5 other QBs who've started games from 2012-present; one of the few pros Carr has is that he's only missed two games due to injury in his career)
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Dec 23, 2022 02:39
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Unfortunately, the advanced stats say Carr is last in the league in WAR (wins above refs).
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Dec 23, 2022 02:51
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MrLogan posted:Carr is easily in the top 10. 1. Mahomes 2. (1b) Allen 3. Burrow 4. Herbert 5. Hurts 6. Tua 7. Prescott 8. Rodgers 9. Stafford 10. Cousins 11. Brady 12. TLaw 13. Geno 14. Jimmy G these are rough orders but Carr is around the Jimmy G level. he's absolutely not better than that top 12 though.
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Dec 23, 2022 03:46
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No one is on Mahomes' level. Josh Allen is really loving good but he's not Mahomes.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:1. Mahomes If you put anyone on this list below 1b on the Raiders and say with confidence they have a better record this year…mmmm idk doggie e: to be clear I’m definitely not saying he’s number 3 or any such nonsense. I’m saying he’s not the problem. e2: also I’m not gonna pick this whole list apart but Matty is dead dude and they just put up 40 to beat the Seahawks cmon now Highbrow Slick fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Dec 23, 2022 |
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Dec 23, 2022 04:29
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Highbrow Slick posted:If you put anyone on this list below 1b on the Raiders and say with confidence they have a better record this year…mmmm idk doggie up until Geno yes i feel confident that any of them would have made for a better season for the raiders this year. Stafford is injured but he's better than Carr when healthy
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Dec 23, 2022 05:28
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Alright well agree to disagree I guess. Idk how many raiders games you watched, and I’m not insinuating you did or didn’t watch any number of them, but ain’t no way I’m buying that. Way too many other factors led to an abysmal start of the year. They’ve won 4 of 5 since he basically called out the team on the podium and they dropped leatherwood and abrams.
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Dec 23, 2022 05:56
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if you want my opinion, carr deserved to lose to the horrible broncos but his team pulled it out. he also bailed his team out of losing to the horrible broncos in a different game. he's the XXth best quarterback. if you don't want my opinion then give this a listen. "when the fires come" by kero kero bonito.
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Dec 23, 2022 06:06
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Raiders only beat the patriots through a bad call and sheer dumb luck. Which was amazing and I laughed so hard I cried - but the offense was putrid in the 2nd half. They had a pick and 5 punts, and one like drive over 10 yards before the Cole touchdown. There are deep problems on that team. Carr statistically has been poo poo in the red zone this year too but i dont feel like finding the tweet i saw with those stats rn
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Dec 23, 2022 06:13
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MrLogan posted:Carr is easily in the top 10. 100% agree. Carr is criminally underrated on these forums. I still think if Lamar is available as a trade target Carolina goes loving huge for him. They were willing to for Watson and he chose the browns. If not him I think they bust a nut to jump up in the draft.
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Dec 23, 2022 07:49
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the idea of Jimmy G being an upgrade to Carr in a Raiders jersey is ridiculous, even in some magical scenario where he plays more than half a season Carr > Brady is just silly considering Carr's whole thing is being a 2nd tier Brady, but now Tom is ancient and a 3rd tier version of himself both of those are straight downgrade scenarios, which makes them at least plausible as bad decisions the McDaniels led Raiders are likely to make
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Relentlessboredomm posted:1. Mahomes Lol, just imagine thinking Dak is that good. Just imagine. Also, Brady/Rodgers are cooked. And Stafford has never been better than Carr.
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i have it on good authority that carr should be a two-time MVP but he was robbed because of reasons
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kidcoelacanth posted:i have it on good authority that carr should be a two-time MVP but he was robbed because of the refs
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MrLogan posted:Lol, just imagine thinking Dak is that good. Just imagine. Also, Brady/Rodgers are cooked. And Stafford has never been better than Carr. Stafford has always been better than Carr
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The337th posted:the idea of Jimmy G being an upgrade to Carr in a Raiders jersey is ridiculous, even in some magical scenario where he plays more than half a season You'd rather have Carr than Jimmy G just because he plays more.
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Dec 23, 2022 15:51
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Why do yall continue to engage a gimmick more obvious than Parmesan Basil
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Logan rules keep up the good fight
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kidcoelacanth posted:i have it on good authority that carr should be a two-time MVP but he was robbed because of reasons You can just say it's because of the refs, it's okay.
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a neat cape posted:Why do yall continue to engage a gimmick more obvious than Parmesan Basil ??? We all watch football, we know The Raiders are a gimmick
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Dec 23, 2022 18:53
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Nervous posted:You can just say it's because of the refs, it's okay. i couldn't remember the original argument and i wasn't about to look it up
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Dec 23, 2022 20:20
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Nodoze posted:Stafford has always been better than Carr How is this even a discussion? Dude was throwing no-look passes while Mahomes was still going to Middle School dances. Stafford is the Top 10 QB every dumb football fan convinces themselves their favorite QB is better than to justify overrating them. First it was Cousins, then it was Dak and now it's Carr and they're always laughably wrong.
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oh drat i completely forgot to put lamar on the list, guess Carr moves even lower.Nodoze posted:Stafford has always been better than Carr truth
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Dec 23, 2022 21:00
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TFF, much like football media, only seems to think QBs are good if they put up fanty numbers. Stafford (and his contract) was an albatross for the Lions. Just because Stafford has put up a lot of garbage time stats doesn't make him a good QB.
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Dec 24, 2022 03:57
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so he has better stats than Carr, better wins than Carr, and a Superbowl. yep sounds like Carr's the better QB
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Does it count as "garbage time" stats when you're pulling off more 4th quarter comebacks than any other QB in the league? We're talking a man who's basically guaranteed to finish at least Top 10 in every major passing stat, and depending on how long he plays, is on pace to finish Top 5 in those stats. One of the handful of QBs with a 5000 yard season (the only other QBs on that list who aren't surefire HoFers are Jameis Winston and Justin Herbert) vs Derek loving Carr. Unless you're Skip Bayless with some sort of traumatic brain injury, this isn't hard.
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i'd love to argue with skip bayless if i could. just take some time and argue against what skip bayless says, to his face. you're wrong, skip, and here's why. it's actually very simple and obvious.
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Cavauro posted:i'd love to argue with skip bayless if i could. just take some time and argue against what skip bayless says, to his face. you're wrong, skip, and here's why. it's actually very simple and obvious. What about Stephan A Smith?
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i'd love to tell stephen a smith about how he is wrong (what he says.) after i told it to him he wouldn't say what he says anymore. he doesn't understand how it is. that's why he says it. (what he says)
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Relentlessboredomm posted:1. Mahomes This Justin Fields erasure will not stand!
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Sataere posted:This Justin Fields erasure will not stand! im honestly not sure what to do with Fields right now. I'm sort of waiting to see what happens next year. Right now its hard to tell if he's a bad pocket passer or if the Bears just have no talent on offense (this is def true). so idk, he's shown some stupidly impressive flashes, i hope the bears don't ruin him
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Relentlessboredomm posted:im honestly not sure what to do with Fields right now. I'm sort of waiting to see what happens next year. Right now its hard to tell if he's a bad pocket passer or if the Bears just have no talent on offense (this is def true). so idk, he's shown some stupidly impressive flashes, i hope the bears don't ruin him The Bears offensive line is so bad, they don't even attempt standard pass blocking formations because if they do, they know they're offensive line will get blown up. You know. Just ask yourself if you had to pick one right now to start on your team, who would it be.
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Sataere posted:The Bears offensive line is so bad, they don't even attempt standard pass blocking formations because if they do, they know they're offensive line will get blown up. You know. Just ask yourself if you had to pick one right now to start on your team, who would it be. oh i know, im just saying it makes it hard to judge Fields on his own as a result
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Relentlessboredomm posted:oh i know, im just saying it makes it hard to judge Fields on his own as a result I kind of feel that the Bears scoring offense being ranked 19th with nothing but Justin Fields makes it easy to judge. This is their best finish since 2018 and this is with half his offense not being NFL worthy.
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Gimmick accounts own because they need to continue coming up with more and more contrived arguments to support their gimmick until eventually the whole thing falls apart and they implode.
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Sataere posted:I kind of feel that the Bears scoring offense being ranked 19th with nothing but Justin Fields makes it easy to judge. This is their best finish since 2018 and this is with half his offense not being NFL worthy. he's a very effective runner. i cannot say where he's at with passing both bc he's wildly inconsistent and bc the talent is not there at all. he's clearly super talented but that's about where he's at right now. next year should help make it clear
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https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1607173471318179840quote:NFL Christmas QBs: 
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CocoaNuts posted:Well, well, well. 24/28, 2 TDs, no INTs. Merry Christmas!
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