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Should I step down as head of twitter This poll is closed.
Yes	420	4.43%
No	69	0.73%
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kazil: Jul 24, 2005; Derpmph trial star reporter!

The Postman posted:

This is how any brilliant engineer would handle an engineering problem. They would hastily implement a change without thorough testing and feedback, then hold a poll. If you aren't seeing Elon's engineering mindset at work here I don't know what to tell you.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1606214546342846464?s=20&t=kLIoJXPKlSKkbcLeirggaw

lol this UI is gonna be such a clusterfuck

lol he really is going to add a concerning and interesting reaction to tweets

# ? Dec 23, 2022 14:34

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# ? May 28, 2024 02:07

MrQwerty: Apr 15, 2003; LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL (づ￣ �￣)づ♥(�∀�●)

goatface posted:

He appears to want every reader to leave a reaction. Which is dumb as gently caress when the only reactions available are "like" or reply, and he hates getting ratio'd.

Does he just want people to click an "I read this" button so he can feel validated?

lmao imagine pitching "everyone is forced to constantly interact with a free website or else" as a business strategy at a company not run by Elon Musk

# ? Dec 23, 2022 14:35

Durzel: Nov 15, 2005

Velocity Raptor posted:

"Mr. Elon, sir. I have an idea to boost engagement on Twitter. You want people to stay on Twitter, right? What if we make it so they can't leave.

There is this new technology called JavaScript that we can just put into any webpage - just right there on the page, no messing with all those horrible stacks that were currently bloated with -- and we can make it so that if someone closes a Twitter page, it just opens right back up!

Boom, permanent engagement. Advertisers will love it. _{_{Please don't fire me.}}"

Genuinely surprised Enol hasn't already made web Twitter like one of those insidious sites that overwrites your history or whatever the gently caress so you can't actually press back anymore. Or opens a new tab behind the one you're on with some porn on. Those sites that I've been told exist and have no personal experience of are just the worst.

Also views is a loving dumb metric because you can't differentiate between who is looking at stuff incredulously, open mouthed, and who is injecting it into their veins. It is however thematically consistent with Elon's opinion that anyone interacting with Twitter is a good thing even if they are literal Nazis.

# ? Dec 23, 2022 14:36

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

# ? Dec 23, 2022 14:37

Daztek: Jun 2, 2006

# ? Dec 23, 2022 14:38

wa27: Jan 15, 2007

Twitch Plays Web Design

# ? Dec 23, 2022 14:40

pixaal: Jan 8, 2004; All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.

Daztek posted:

More like discord, well a public one goon ones don't look like this normally

It's great fun when people are doing this to single lines of chat messages so it's 1 line of text 1 line of emote spam. There's an entire group of people that use discord by only emoting at what other people say.

I'm not in too many public discords anymore I'm still in one for codes for a phone game I was playing when sick that's used in this example then I left because I haven't played it in 6 months.

# ? Dec 23, 2022 14:43

Neddy Seagoon: Oct 12, 2012; "Hi Everybody!"

sarcastx posted:

about Musky and full self-driving based entirely (and exclusively) on visual data:

I've thought about this before, and to me it makes sense. To me.

I mean - I drive every day with only my eyes, so why should it be necessary to have lidar, or radar, or any of that other stuff?
poo poo, I mean, I'm only looking in one direction at a time, I only have two eyes, and a Tesla has how many cameras? poo poo, it should probably even be better! To me, there's no reason why a properly programmed Tesla, running exclusively on visual data from a bunch of cameras shouldn't be even better than a given human driver.

This makes sense, to me.
About me: I am not a) a programmer, b) an engineer, c) involved with the automotive industry in any fashion, d) involved in product safety in any fashion, e) do not understand anything about AI, neural networks or machine learning, f) college educated or even particularly well high school educated, g) a billionaire

Imagine the harm I could do to the world if I had effectively unlimited money and opinions about my superiority to everybody else

The reason why Tesla uses visual data and not LIDAR is because other companies are using Lidar and Elon insisted that Tesla be different.

LIDAR 's commonly used, to my understanding, because it's harder for the vehicle to misinterpret the data. It only realistically needs to know there is [OBSTACLE IN FRONT/SIDE/BEHIND AT X METERS] and parse from there whether the vehicle should stop/avoid/turn away/etc, while visual tracking means it has to take video footage and parse if there even IS a thing in front, and try to determine WHAT that thing is, and how to respond to it. Is it a small child crossing the street to swerve and avoid? An SUV braking suddenly in the lane ahead that requires immediate braking? Does it even see it at all as it barrels down towards that obstacle at the speed limit?

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

As someone who does professional web development, I both appreciate and despise this. :stonklol:

# ? Dec 23, 2022 14:48

Croccers: Jun 15, 2012

Daztek posted:

I just noticed how he said WE in that tweet.

# ? Dec 23, 2022 14:49

MrQwerty: Apr 15, 2003; LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL (づ￣ �￣)づ♥(�∀�●)

Neddy Seagoon posted:

The reason why Tesla uses visual data and not LIDAR is because other companies are using Lidar and Elon insisted that Tesla be different.

LIDAR 's commonly used, to my understanding, because it's harder for the vehicle to misinterpret the data. It only realistically needs to know there is [OBSTACLE IN FRONT/SIDE/BEHIND AT X METERS] and parse from there whether the vehicle should stop/avoid/turn away/etc, while visual tracking means it has to take video footage and parse if there even IS a thing in front, and try to determine WHAT that thing is, and how to respond to it. Is it a small child crossing the street to swerve and avoid? An SUV braking suddenly in the lane ahead that requires immediate braking? Does it even see it at all as it barrels down towards that obstacle at the speed limit?

His LIDAR supplier also had qualms about the way he was using their product and exposing them to liability (i.e. alpha testing self driving cars on public loving roads and selling it as a feature)

you know, like reasonable people running a business for profit

# ? Dec 23, 2022 14:49

Ups_rail: Dec 8, 2006; by Fluffdaddy

sarcastx posted:

about Musky and full self-driving based entirely (and exclusively) on visual data:

I've thought about this before, and to me it makes sense. To me.

I mean - I drive every day with only my eyes, so why should it be necessary to have lidar, or radar, or any of that other stuff?
poo poo, I mean, I'm only looking in one direction at a time, I only have two eyes, and a Tesla has how many cameras? poo poo, it should probably even be better! To me, there's no reason why a properly programmed Tesla, running exclusively on visual data from a bunch of cameras shouldn't be even better than a given human driver.

This makes sense, to me.
About me: I am not a) a programmer, b) an engineer, c) involved with the automotive industry in any fashion, d) involved in product safety in any fashion, e) do not understand anything about AI, neural networks or machine learning, f) college educated or even particularly well high school educated, g) a billionaire

Imagine the harm I could do to the world if I had effectively unlimited money and opinions about my superiority to everybody else

So waaay back in like 2003/2004 I read an article in weird magazine about a military or darpa prize for a self driving hummers.

Anyway the big take away was that the system was stupid as all hell. backing away from a tumble weed, getting confused by shadows.

The solution was to program a sense of error like a probalility of knowing what you seeing is wrong.

I m sure goons here under stand AI poo poo better than me but you always get edge cases that can confuse the system.

# ? Dec 23, 2022 14:50

Mistle: Oct 11, 2005; Eckot's comic relief cousin from out of town; Grimey Drawer

MJeff posted:

Is his dumb rear end gonna try to get rid of likes?

Croccers posted:

That one moment on stage, rent free this whole drat time :elon:

The Saddest Rhino posted:

This is the Daycare Dude in Pokemon, but for Pokemon Go.

Croccers posted:

I just noticed how he said WE in that tweet.

200% salty that Tim Apple didn't play ball and told him to "ONCE AGAIN, GO gently caress YOURSELF" :elon:

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:02

repiv: Aug 13, 2009

https://twitter.com/Partysquid427/status/1605019077872861184

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:04

Sentient Data: Aug 31, 2011; My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!

Croccers posted:

I just noticed how he said WE in that tweet.

... because it advertises the fact that your company has a dedicated app for basically every platform, and you want people installing and using your app because it leads to more interaction and extra profit from all the data harvesting, you loving nimrod (musk)

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:06

MrQwerty: Apr 15, 2003; LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL (づ￣ �￣)づ♥(�∀�●)

Mistle posted:

200% salty that Tim Apple didn't play ball and told him to "ONCE AGAIN, GO gently caress YOURSELF"

Jack loving Dorsey literally explained why they did that, they being the company Elon Musk never worked at until 7 weeks ago, like 3 weeks ago.

I can't remember what he said or find the post, but it was something regarding metrics for third party interfaces like TweetDeck.

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:06

NoSlacking: Dec 23, 2022

The Postman posted:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1605870381310439425?s=20&t=ffiy8HwmK6THToLmoUmmWw

Does he just sit up at night searching for his name or other keywords like "Twitter CEO"

I think he will genuinely start trying to grow a moustache after seeing this photoshop.

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:07

MiracleFlare: Mar 27, 2012

pixaal posted:

More like discord, well a public one goon ones don't look like this normally

It's great fun when people are doing this to single lines of chat messages so it's 1 line of text 1 line of emote spam. There's an entire group of people that use discord by only emoting at what other people say.

I'm not in too many public discords anymore I'm still in one for codes for a phone game I was playing when sick that's used in this example then I left because I haven't played it in 6 months.

Earlier this year some MMORPG players were catching poo poo for advertising their ERP guild on real-life billboards, and in the ensuing meltdown one of the Discord server mods likened reacting to their posts with "mean emojis" (clowns and skulls) to terrorism and said they would report it to the police.

I'm praying that Musky Boy will have a similar meltdown before year's end.

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:09

Data Graham: Dec 28, 2009; 📈📊🍪😋

kilus aof posted:

Apart from him blaming others for his actions it is true. He just wouldn't stop posting(harassment). Even when his friends and wife begged him to stop he just couldn't. It's actually very common with transphobes with them going off the deep end and their friends and family asking them to stop.

People like him I always picture like this

Anyway hahahahahaha lmaooooooo Elon literally has a drag-n-drop CMS interface to gently caress with the template and he's bot-sourcing where to put the "likes" block because that's all he can loving do

lmaooo2 at him just replyguying every weirdo with a stupid idea, "Oh yeah I'll get rid of likes! It was my idea!"

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:10

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Neddy Seagoon posted:

The reason why Tesla uses visual data and not LIDAR is because other companies are using Lidar and Elon insisted that Tesla be different.

LIDAR 's commonly used, to my understanding, because it's harder for the vehicle to misinterpret the data. It only realistically needs to know there is [OBSTACLE IN FRONT/SIDE/BEHIND AT X METERS] and parse from there whether the vehicle should stop/avoid/turn away/etc, while visual tracking means it has to take video footage and parse if there even IS a thing in front, and try to determine WHAT that thing is, and how to respond to it. Is it a small child crossing the street to swerve and avoid? An SUV braking suddenly in the lane ahead that requires immediate braking? Does it even see it at all as it barrels down towards that obstacle at the speed limit?

Stereo vision is a loving pain to set up; you need a pair of cameras in perfect vertical alignment and taking frames in perfect synchrony to get a good stereo pair for depth estimation, even before you deal with trying to eliminate image noise or objects that only appear in one image, or glossy / smooth surfaces that are hard to accurately reconcile. Even if everything goes perfectly you end up with a noisy disparity map with holes in it from occlusions.

I tried to get it working for ages on a research robot and my conclusion was there�s a reason everyone just uses LIDAR instead. There�s just no benefit to stereo vision other than cost (or biological plausibility, which was my excuse)

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:21

Tai: Mar 8, 2006

Elong needs to be invited to ring the opening bell

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:26

MrQwerty: Apr 15, 2003; LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL (づ￣ �￣)づ♥(�∀�●)

It's a known fact that your brain handles vision by filling in blanks and outright making poo poo up all the time.

Best to go with that system rather than LIDAR.

edit: I use robots that have vision systems all day and lmao I would never trust a vision system to drive a car, ever.

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:27

Detective No. 27: Jun 7, 2006

I need the stock to go under $100 by EOD. Deliver this one today Santa, and you can take tomorrow night off.

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:28

kilus aof: Mar 24, 2001

sarcastx posted:

about Musky and full self-driving based entirely (and exclusively) on visual data:

I've thought about this before, and to me it makes sense. To me.

I mean - I drive every day with only my eyes, so why should it be necessary to have lidar, or radar, or any of that other stuff?
poo poo, I mean, I'm only looking in one direction at a time, I only have two eyes, and a Tesla has how many cameras? poo poo, it should probably even be better! To me, there's no reason why a properly programmed Tesla, running exclusively on visual data from a bunch of cameras shouldn't be even better than a given human driver.

This makes sense, to me.
About me: I am not a) a programmer, b) an engineer, c) involved with the automotive industry in any fashion, d) involved in product safety in any fashion, e) do not understand anything about AI, neural networks or machine learning, f) college educated or even particularly well high school educated, g) a billionaire

Imagine the harm I could do to the world if I had effectively unlimited money and opinions about my superiority to everybody else

Since the literal second of your birth your brain has been analysing and sorting visual data while devolving a system of object recognition that only today's supercomputers are matching in some areas. No computer that will be part of a car can analyse images in real time as good as you can see things.

And that's just object recognition. You also have a model of the world in your head that's impossible for a computer in a Tesla to match. You know what a child is. You know they live in houses and go to school and will follow a ball into the street. Not only can you see a child way better than a computer you can predict what they will do next.

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:29

aluminumonkey: Jun 19, 2002; Reggie loves tacos

What I want to know is why is everyone linking to twitter instead of just screenshotting? Stop giving him traffic.

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:29

Butterwagon: Mar 21, 2010; Lookit that stupid ass-hole!

LOL the tooltip on the views is "view" because all the other tooltips are verbs like "reply", "like", "retweet"

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:30

MrQwerty: Apr 15, 2003; LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL (づ￣ �￣)づ♥(�∀�●)

aluminumonkey posted:

What I want to know is why is everyone linking to twitter instead of just screenshotting? Stop giving him traffic.

MrQwerty posted:

Imagine what a loving pain in the rear end this would be for the curators in, say, the Ukraine threads

also upload to imgur and post the picture here on a phone. It's a very intuitive and quick process, really makes you feel good about the internet.

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:32

Machai: Feb 21, 2013

Ups_rail posted:

So waaay back in like 2003/2004 I read an article in weird magazine about a military or darpa prize for a self driving hummers.

Anyway the big take away was that the system was stupid as all hell. backing away from a tumble weed, getting confused by shadows.

The solution was to program a sense of error like a probalility of knowing what you seeing is wrong.

I m sure goons here under stand AI poo poo better than me but you always get edge cases that can confuse the system.

Humans have had millions of years to develop pattern recognition in visual data so powerful that it can see patterns where there aren't any. AI has been around for less than a single human lifespan. Also, humans still get into plenty of accidents. If you could hardwire radar and lidar to your brain to increase spacial awareness, it would be a huge boon to driving. AI has the advantage of being able to do that so Elon's refusal to utilize those technologies is severely handicapping Tesla's functionality.

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:38

The Postman: May 12, 2007

starting off strong!!

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:39

Data Graham: Dec 28, 2009; 📈📊🍪😋

hahahahHAHAHA

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:40

ilovebeersooomuch: May 23, 2014

FogHelmut posted:

Elon Musk, billionaire. Neither owns a mansion nor a yacht.

Quoted for kickass Elmer J Fudd reference

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:41

digital penitence: Jan 3, 2008

The Saddest Rhino posted:

LOL I completely forgot about this guy! If I remember right, he has Pok�mon Go on all of these phones and is cycling around catching pokemons haha

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:41

learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

It's a slow market day nothing will ha

Data Graham posted:

hahahahHAHAHA

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:42

waffle iron: Jan 16, 2004

Nearly every time I pull to refresh, the top item is an ad unit that takes 1/2 to 2/3 of the screen. Makes me use twitter even less. And it's the same big advertiser units over and over (Amazon, Google Pixel, Merrill Lynch). They must be giving their top advertiser 2 or 3 impressions for the price of 1. I block nearly every advertiser I see and that meant all my ads were lovely content farm type poo poo. I am no longer seeing any of those.

# ? Dec 23, 2022 15:46

davecrazy: Nov 25, 2004; I'm an insufferable shitposter who does not deserve to root for such a good team. Also, this is what Matt Harvey thinks of me and my garbage posting.