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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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Not So Fast posted:This worked out great in Afghanistan, I hear. It was the opposite in Afghanistan, we dumped money on anyone who was willing to say they liked Kabul. Or were at least willing to put fighting neighboring enemies over fighting Kabul. It was a fake stability propped up by a hose of secret cash. What they're proposing in Russia is the inverse, a fake instability propped up by a secret hose of cash.
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Dec 25, 2022 19:22
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crepeface posted:free thatfatkid They sent some very abusive PMs to mods though
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Dec 25, 2022 19:27
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OhFunny posted:Correct. US financial might is practically limitless, so it can pour money in without concern. the greatest risk of nuclear holocaust is Americas reaction to losing its spot as the only currency in which to denominate the worlds energy supply and government issued debt
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Dec 25, 2022 19:28
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stephenthinkpad posted:So I think US can easily sustain the war for 5+ years. The bottleneck is the not the monetary support to the Ukraine civilian infrastructure but rather how fast the west (plus Korea) can build and send military hardware to Ukraine. main difference here is that afghanistan was ultimately a pretty small-scale war against a bunch of guerillas whereas russia-ukraine is a conventional conflict where they burn through munitions and materiel at a massively higher pace so there's no guarantee that the peacetime grift system will prove effective once you have an enemy capable of actual mass production
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Dec 25, 2022 19:32
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Lostconfused posted:Someone needs to really investigate it in more detail imo. Are the other EU countries outside of Poland still sending military resource in the last couple months? I am not talking about accounting of the refugee support or the giant portable generators.
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Dec 25, 2022 19:36
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I don't think the war is especially an difficult fiscal burden for the US, but the main issue for the Ukrainians is just the US is underspending compared to their needs and the Ukrainians are now pursuing self-damaging measures just because they don't have the resources. That said, I also wouldn't say US resources are limitless especially now. The war isn't bankrupting the US but it isn't free either and it is another burden on the US' eroding fiscal situation. One thing is just the US has a ton of debt and not only is it continually increasing but the US has to roll it over with higher and higher yields and this requires more debt possibly at elevated yields. Also, certain things like arms/ammo are bottlenecked in a way it will take time to fix and may not necessarily be fixed in the short term by throwing money at it. The is also the issue is trying to find Soviet arms which is slowly becoming more difficult (and the utilization of NATO heavy equipment has been pretty mixed.) Ardennes has issued a correction as of 19:51 on Dec 25, 2022 |
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Dec 25, 2022 19:37
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The CIA is going to give a bunch of missiles to an anime club in Poronaysk and get them to declare the unalienable Japaneseness of Sakhalin.
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Dec 25, 2022 19:38
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Ardennes posted:I don't think the war is especially a fiscal burden for the US, but the main issue for the Ukrainians is just the US is underspending compared to their needs and the Ukrainians are now pursuing self-damaging measures just because they don't have the resources. the US being meaningfully damaged by support isn't the bar, it's just people feeling like they're being inconvenienced and getting tired of it as the economy worsens and layoffs continue.
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Dec 25, 2022 19:42
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Gripweed posted:So, just throw billions of dollars in weapons and dollars at anyone within Russian borders who doesn't like the Kremlin? within?
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Dec 25, 2022 19:45
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stephenthinkpad posted:Are the other EU countries outside of Poland still sending military resource in the last couple months? I am not talking about accounting of the refugee support or the giant portable generators. Well someone is supposed to be sending some version of T-55 to Ukraine or something.
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Dec 25, 2022 19:48
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The other indirect casualty of the war is the European economy so we'll see what knock-on effect that has and it ain't looking pretty so far.
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Dec 25, 2022 19:48
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Ytlaya posted:They sent some very abusive PMs to mods though Can we see the PM's?
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Dec 25, 2022 19:48
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Dec 25, 2022 19:49
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Can we see the PM's? 
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Dec 25, 2022 19:49
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Ardennes posted:That said, I also wouldn't say US resources are limitless especially now. The war isn't bankrupting the US but it isn't free either and it is another burden on the US' eroding fiscal situation. One thing is just the US has a ton of debt and not only is it continually increasing but the US has to roll it over with higher and higher yields and this requires more debt possibly at elevated yields.
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Dec 25, 2022 19:49
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:within? ooh that's a good point. If we've got any Russian-born emigres, now would be a really good time to start positioning yourself as the legitimate ruler of your home oblast.
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Dec 25, 2022 19:49
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I’m pretty sure strokes leave you incapable of determining geo-politics.
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Dec 25, 2022 19:54
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ron paul is still alive???????????
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Dec 25, 2022 19:55
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Can we see the PM's? No. But I can assure you they were extremely abusive. Some of the most abusive PMs I've ever seen, in fact. I literally fainted upon witnessing some of them.
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Dec 25, 2022 19:58
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im going to post the sexpig pms at midnight
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Dec 25, 2022 19:58
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Ytlaya posted:No. But I can assure you they were extremely abusive. Some of the most abusive PMs I've ever seen, in fact. I literally fainted upon witnessing some of them. Good
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Dec 25, 2022 19:59
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Lostconfused posted:Well someone is supposed to be sending some version of T-55 to Ukraine or something. Yeah, although the gun on them is kind of useless even in an infantry support role (they don't seem to have HE-frag ammo for the 105mm NATO gun they were upgraded with). T-72s are coming from Morocco but it all of them have to be restored in the Czech Republic because they are basically rust buckets. There is still equipment out there but it is clear it is getting more difficult finding it or if it is found it has to be completely restored or is sort of useless like Slovenian T-55s (they at least have thermal sights). I mean there are tons of t-55s out there and theoretically they could be modernized, but the T-55 is clearly handicapped by its gun/turret. So the Ukrainians aren't "cut off" but it is also getting more complicated supplying them.
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Dec 25, 2022 19:59
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You think this is loving funny? Well let me tell you - it's not! People have died because of these PMs, and they will continue to do so until we as a community begin to take them seriously. Why do you think most of the mods from 10 years ago no longer post here? It's because they're dead! But I bet you never even considered that.
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Dec 25, 2022 20:06
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hateful PM by night
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Dec 25, 2022 20:07
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This is an unacceptable permaban of the smiling-waving-Mao avatar poster, thatfatkid
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Dec 25, 2022 20:07
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Some of them are alive and they're child molesters
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Dec 25, 2022 20:07
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None of you even comprehend what it takes to be an administrator... sometimes you must offer up one of your own highly regarded children, for the greater good. So that C SPAM itself can go on.
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Dec 25, 2022 20:09
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So who was modding during the Ruso-Ukrainian war I?
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Dec 25, 2022 20:10
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iCe-CuBe. posted:None of you even comprehend what it takes to be an administrator... sometimes you must offer up one of your own highly regarded children, for the greater good. So that C SPAM itself can go on. The Ones Who Walk Away From CSPAM
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Dec 25, 2022 20:10
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Jeffrey needs to invest some of SA's revenues in mental health services for the mods/admins, for the same reason our intelligence community should. These people witness horrors every single day, so that we do not have to.
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Dec 25, 2022 20:14
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I am not accusing any current something awful moderator or admin of molesting kids I'm just saying as far as we know aatrek isn't dead
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Dec 25, 2022 20:14
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Ardennes posted:Also, certain things like arms/ammo are bottlenecked in a way it will take time to fix and may not necessarily be fixed in the short term by throwing money at it. The is also the issue is trying to find Soviet arms which is slowly becoming more difficult (and the utilization of NATO heavy equipment has been pretty mixed.) The three main things I see impeding support to Ukraine: 1. Giving raw money for things like wages and general civic support isn’t as popular or tangible as providing weaponry. I don’t think that’s objectively true, but when it comes to political palatability, paying for weapons to fight Russians might be easier than providing money to pay for civic services. But maybe that changes; the most recent US aid package had significantly more money laid out for economic and humanitarian aid than it did in weaponry for Ukraine. 2. As you said, bottlenecks in raw speed of production, even when money is applied. Add to that time to train on any systems that are new to Ukraine. 3. The US and west have a lot of arms and ordnance that they will hang on to for their own contingency plans, training, etc, completely unrelated to Ukraine or Russia. There is a lot of ordnance that the US isn’t “out” of, but is not willing to give away. Same can be said of Russia. There is a stock of reserves they will not want to dip into for this conflict.
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Dec 25, 2022 20:23
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There is 105×617mmR high explosive ammo, but there’s something weird about it that I can’t remember off the top of my head. Maybe German-only production? I forget what the mix for Canadian Leos was, but I remember it was on one of my ammo courses. I think HE was not widely produced in favour of HESH and HEAT, but there was something else too. I also remember it was used for the late 80’s ammo developments we all know and love, so there’s been trials of DIME, PELE and the other magic projectile that was going to replace HE, FAP. Just look up the kind of ammo money has been going into developing for 30 years now lol. Obscenely expensive and complex, imo for its own sake.  
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Dec 25, 2022 20:27
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Cpt_Obvious posted:The other indirect casualty of the war is the European economy so we'll see what knock-on effect that has and it ain't looking pretty so far. lookin pretty for american industry!
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Dec 25, 2022 20:36
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I dont recall seeing this mentioned in the thread, but the same day Zelenskyy met President Biden in Washington, Dmitry Medvedev met President Xi in Beijing No real details known beyond him stating on Telegram that they discussed the Ukraine conflict and cooperation between China and Russia.
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Dec 25, 2022 20:36
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the only good thing about the economic impact in europe is that customers are cutting their orders before suppliers cut their supplies this is currently backfeeding through multiple industries which were massively greedy and both over-invested and over-recruited to absorb backlogs ASAP on the demand of investors/governance boards pissed about leaving money on the table for being under capacity after having not invested since 2008 in summary, lol. first half of the year will carry on through inertia but the second half of the year will be crunch time for Europe’s industry
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Dec 25, 2022 20:40
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macron was in the usa begging DC not to subsidize american industry and reshoring in return for supporting the war and the response was basically "lol"
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Dec 25, 2022 20:45
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OhFunny posted:I dont recall seeing this mentioned in the thread, but the same day Zelenskyy met President Biden in Washington, Dmitry Medvedev met President Xi in Beijing It's a political gesture. The meeting readout is very short. It's kind of a curve ball that allow outside many different interpretations. mila kunis posted:macron was in the usa begging DC not to subsidize american industry and reshoring in return for supporting the war and the response was basically "lol" I have come to the conclusion that Macron is a little cuck since he didn't do anything meaningful after Biden stole the Aussie submarine contract from France. He is more of papertiger than Scholz. At least Scholz went to Beijing and signed fat contracts and he didn't. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 20:49 on Dec 25, 2022 |
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Frosted Flake posted:There is 105×617mmR high explosive ammo, but there’s something weird about it that I can’t remember off the top of my head. Maybe German-only production? At least the MPF has a rifled cannon for HE ammo.
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Ytlaya posted:No. But I can assure you they were extremely abusive. Some of the most abusive PMs I've ever seen, in fact. I literally fainted upon witnessing some of them. the mod who reads all of the cspammer PMs: 
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