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Paul Zuvella posted:Even now, draft formats are solved in like 5-7 days tops, can you imagine if that was the format for 8-9 entire months? The real trick is to play with people who can't be assed to look up draft solutions and just dive in blind. Casual leagues ftw
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draft solutions? i look up the cards of a set when its coming out and read some articles that are like "these cards are good"
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Hot take, draft is more fun when you go in blind and don't actually care about winning. Forces you to work with whatever you get and play stuff you otherwise wouldn't.
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i'm definitely there just to play. I'm new and make enough compounding bad choices, like forcing a monocolour deck every other week to have to embrace just getting to play and have a good time even losing. or just grabbing garbage stuff that looks cool. My favourite drafts are near a new set when it's all new for everyone and when there's more chance of other newer and rarer people showing up for the new event. Unfinity was my first draft and mostly blind, still my fav draft experience so far. I'd try to not spoil a draft set for the surprise, but I idly check mtg news and stuff on work breaks and whatnot so can't help but see spoilers. Drafting old sets would give me the same effect if I get the chance.
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I think people are expecting too much from wizards. Sets need to be: - good to draft - balanced for standard - balanced for at least two eternal formats with gigantic card pools - also balanced for a four player game with different rules This just inevitably leads to bad sets. I just don’t understand why people need to be told: “this is an official card you are allowed to play with” by some authority somewhere. Why not make up your own formats like premodern, “pure”-modern/legacy, highlander etc.?
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Papa Was A Video Toaster posted:
This person speaks the truth.
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They'll come to Canadian Highlander eventually, right?
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teppichporsche posted:I think people are expecting too much from wizards. People do that, but the official formats are the ones that wizards support. Sanctioned formats tend to be more commonly played, especially at stores
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CatstropheWaitress posted:Hot take, draft is more fun when you go in blind and don't actually care about winning. Forces you to work with whatever you get and play stuff you otherwise wouldn't. I think drafting to actually win forces you to do that as well Like just forcing The Good Colors is not a great strategy in pods where everyone else is trying to do that? Like the old spider spawning deck in triple innistrad was by far the most powerful thing you could do, but forcing it was a disaster because if someone else was going for it you got nothing
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Norn's trigger-doubling works on kickers, right? Like for Benalish Sleeper you'd pay once and get the effect twice, because it's an ETB conditional on it being kicked.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Norn's trigger-doubling works on kickers, right? Like for Benalish Sleeper you'd pay once and get the effect twice, because it's an ETB conditional on it being kicked. It should? I'd be surprised if it didn't. The kicker effect happens on ETB, and Norn doubles the ability as it ETBs.
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LGD posted:I mean different sets have different amounts of depth and what being "solved" means varies quite a bit (big difference between "archetype wins if uncontested" and "must/must no be in X color(s)") + adding (theoretically) complementary sets used to shake that up quite a bit (unlikely to get multiples and much broader card pools) so it doesn't inherently mean the format gets too stale, and in fact some of the better designed blocks didn't really They used WPA instead of Seasoned Dungeoneer but I think the joke still holds up well: https://twitter.com/Burnt_Taco77/status/1605979605361233922
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teppichporsche posted:I think people are expecting too much from wizards. I don't think we are expecting too much. We pay absurd prices for tiny scraps of cheap paper, we know the paper and ink aren't what we are paying for, it's the card designs. Making up your own formats is great for you to play by yourself with nobody since nobody else knows your format and getting X people to build decks with arbitrary deck restrictions is already a problem with established popular formats, doing so with whatever homebrew rules you dream up is just not realistic. That said, saw a Non-Dandan type 80 card deck format today on reddit someone suggested and am tempted to buy myself one, but probably should try regular Dandan first.
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New norn is just a worse Yarok hth
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MTG’s pricing is demand related and mostly an issue in the secondary market (at least until M30 anyway), it feels weird to be all “we pay a ton of money for these cards” when a pack is, what, a dollar more than it was 20 years ago? It’s not like Warhammer where MSRP is a fantasy number that nobody will pay even close to on the secondary market. What I don’t understand about this is that all established formats have banlists (which upset me greatly when I got into Commander and was excited to blow dust off my favourite Urza’s Destiny card only to find out it’s banned). If Elesh New actually is format warping (it’s not) then ban it, this sounds like somebody on the rules committee complaining about having to do their job.
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Lmao that sheldon continues to not like "generically powerful" cards that are "autoincludes" but sol ring is cool and good.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Norn's trigger-doubling works on kickers, right? Like for Benalish Sleeper you'd pay once and get the effect twice, because it's an ETB conditional on it being kicked. Reads as though it should, since at least benalish sleeper starts with "when <x> enters the battlefield" meaning it's an etb trigger. Stuff like academy Drake or aether figment ("if <x> was kicked, it enters the battlefield with 2 +1/+1 counters") would not double though because it's not a trigger, it's a replacement effect (it lacks the word "when," "whenever," or "at"). Delayed triggers wouldn't be affected either, but I didn't see any on a quick look (eg: at the beginning of your end step, if <x> entered the battlefield this turn do something)
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Got the 30th countdown set for xmas from my partner. Pulled a foil necropotence which is pretty sweet
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:Got the 30th countdown set for xmas from my partner. Pulled a foil necropotence which is pretty sweet Hell yea
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Rahu posted:Lmao that sheldon continues to not like "generically powerful" cards that are "autoincludes" but sol ring is cool and good. a reminder that sylvan primordial is banned in commander and Timetwister isn’t
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Hahaha why is it banned? Seems like a 7 mana card aka I'm never gonna be able to play this and if I do I should maybe win off it, and all it does anyway is delete a few things and poo poo out some land you probably ain't need at that point anyway.
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you're not hardcasting that card, you're cheating it out and then repeating its effect multiple times so your opponents can't get anything to stick and you ramp a hilarious amount
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Wow well I don't cheat cards out because I'm a good boy
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loving primeval titan is banned in edh for whatever reason
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Excellent Christmas present discovered
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I can't believe they killed the reserve list just to print water resistant black lotus.
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Silhouette posted:loving primeval titan is banned in edh for whatever reason It's because it used to be banned somewhere else (i forget where) because the instant it drops, the game revolves around it. I'm not saying that is a justified reason to ban it, that was just their logic Fuzzy Mammal posted:Excellent Christmas present discovered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzpc3AtC3No
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Excellent Christmas present discovered Lol cool. Merry Christmas Magic thread!
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Wittgen posted:I can't believe they killed the reserve list just to print water resistant black lotus. hasbro making a licensing deal with pinch-a-penny seems as likely as anything else
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Never looked at the commander banlist because you can just ignore it but lol at some of these. Braids, Balance, Limited Resources, Sway of the Stars, Tolarian Academy, upheaval. I'm not scared of these cards, maybe I don't know why I should be but I think I like these cards. Why is Tolarian Academy banned but Gaia's Cradle and Gaia's Cradle On A Stick allowed? Wish the RC website listed it's reasoning Edit: card kingdom got a good page though Edit2: okay most of these make some sense after reading the reasoning. I still think Balance is cool, games where one person has some insane lead are boring and idk Balance seems like a nice way to chill them out? Khanstant fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Dec 26, 2022 |
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Silhouette posted:loving primeval titan is banned in edh for whatever reason And has been since the two or three months after the first one was printed. "Oh, somebody can cheat it into play and bounce it multiple times and dump all the basic lands out of their decks and onto the board and gain an unfair advantage." "It's so good. It's an auto include with green." Unban Prime Time, you cowards. You unbanned Birthing Pod.
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Khanstant posted:Never looked at the commander banlist because you can just ignore it but lol at some of these. None of those cards are banned for being used in a "fair" way. Balance is used by dumping your hand with fast mana, then knocking everyone down to no creatures, no hand, and like 2 lands for 2 mana. It's banned in every format it's ever been except vintage for very good reasons. If you think Balance will ever be a safe unban, then you are radically misinterpreting what a banlist is for and how the game is played. Of the cards you listed, really only Sway could reasonably come off the list, and even then, it would not be used in competitive decks and it would be miserable in casual play, so there's no reason to break bad over it. I brought my Drake posted:And has been since the two or three months after the first one was printed. "Oh, somebody can cheat it into play and bounce it multiple times and dump all the basic lands out of their decks and onto the board and gain an unfair advantage." "It's so good. It's an auto include with green." Unban Prime Time, you cowards. You unbanned Birthing Pod. Casual tables with Prime Time were absolutely rife with people ramping it out, doing nothing with it, then everyone killing and reanimating it. It was all casual tables did for two years (not months) and it got incredibly stale. Again, competitive tables don't miss it and banning it opened up the casual format, so it was correct given the stated purpose of the format. And Birthing Pod was never banned in commander, so I have to ask, since basically all your facts are wrong, did you even play commander a decade ago when this all happened?
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Toshimo posted:None of those cards are banned for being used in a "fair" way. Balance is used by dumping your hand with fast mana, then knocking everyone down to no creatures, no hand, and like 2 lands for 2 mana. It's banned in every format it's ever been except vintage for very good reasons. If you think Balance will ever be a safe unban, then you are radically misinterpreting what a banlist is for and how the game is played. Braids, though? Not even as a commander, but just 1 out of a 100?
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A big flaming stink posted:Braids, though? Not even as a commander, but just 1 out of a 100? They don't do "banned as commander". Things are either banned or not. Braids as a commander is miserable.
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A big flaming stink posted:Braids, though? Not even as a commander, but just 1 out of a 100? The ship has long since sailed on "banned as commander vs banned entirely".
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i'm kind of surprised it hasn't come up yet since it always feels inevitable, but the big asterisk with the commander banlist is always rule 0: if you reallly want to run whatever it is that isn't in the rules as written (whether it's a banlist or otherwise 'not in the rules'), go ask the people you're playing with and if they allow it go right ahead. the banlist is meant to keep random pickup games not miserable (to however extent it can try to do that) but if you really want to play "fair" Tinker or have Braids in your 99 or pretend Heiko and Norika partner with each other or, like, allow hybrid mana in monocolor decks, go to your friends and ask them to let you give it a shot
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Getting a regular playgroup with people on the same page is the solution to a lot of things to do with MTG that aren't cost-related.I brought my Drake posted:"Oh, somebody can cheat it into play and bounce it multiple times and dump all the basic lands out of their decks" On top of the other accuracy issues, Primeval Titan doesn't specify basic lands.
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Toshimo posted:They don't do "banned as commander". Things are either banned or not. Braids as a commander is miserable. Am I misremembering or did they do that for a time why back early in Wizards adoption. I thought Griselbrand was banned as commander but okay in the 99 for a while. Or maybe I was just reading house rules trying to find out more about the format.
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Yeah, why don't they do banned as commander lists? Seems like such a relevant thing to the format. Rofellos as a commander vs as one of the 99 is SO different. Same with Braids, and probably a whole bunch of them?
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flatluigi posted:i'm kind of surprised it hasn't come up yet since it always feels inevitable, but the big asterisk with the commander banlist is always rule 0: if you reallly want to run whatever it is that isn't in the rules as written (whether it's a banlist or otherwise 'not in the rules'), go ask the people you're playing with and if they allow it go right ahead. the banlist is meant to keep random pickup games not miserable (to however extent it can try to do that) but if you really want to play "fair" Tinker or have Braids in your 99 or pretend Heiko and Norika partner with each other or, like, allow hybrid mana in monocolor decks, go to your friends and ask them to let you give it a shot i left out half my point but i think looking at the banlist as 'we think it'd be a bad experience for it to be in a game you play at a convention with people you'll never see again' over 'we don't think anyone should ever play with these' helps explain a lot of it like imagine you sit down with your mono-green stompy brew and an opponent cheats out iona, naming green:  you can't play the game anymore, and the other two people at the table are incentivized to just further their own gameplan instead of letting you back into the game. at home you just call them a dick and take away their beer for the night before you move on (if you all don't just start up a different game after making them sub in a different card); in a convention setting you just kind of ask politely and then concede and find somewhere else to play !Klams posted:Yeah, why don't they do banned as commander lists? Seems like such a relevant thing to the format. Rofellos as a commander vs as one of the 99 is SO different. Same with Braids, and probably a whole bunch of them? they did 'banned as commander' for a good while, but it was awkward to have two separate lists to maintain and hard to really argue why a card was a problem in the command zone but potentially not a problem in the 100 (especially with a lot of commanders that essentially worked as tutors for said cards). i could still personally go either way on it, but i don't disagree with simlifying it down to the one banlist
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Kokusho was banned as a commander at one point, because the best way to deal with someone looping it to kill the table (just exiling it from the graveyard) didn't meaningfully work when it was a commander. It's the only card that got unbanned instead of fully banned when they ditched that category.
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