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Only here outta respect to my fahdda. "Do you know who my fahdda was?" Ashur: "The golfer?" KnightRider fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Dec 23, 2022 |
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Merry Christmas! The boss ‘o dis family said you’re Santa Claus. You’re Santa Claus. So shut the gently caress up about it.
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Dec 26, 2022 02:19
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Sopranos pilot. I liked it ! https://twitter.com/TheAVClub/status/1606024413383888896
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Dec 26, 2022 03:00
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“Louis Brazzi sleeps with the fishes!”
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Dec 26, 2022 03:04
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Your Gay Uncle posted:Sopranos pilot. I liked it ! Why did the photographer say the most revolting thing they could think of right before they took the picture?
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Dec 26, 2022 03:10
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The pilot, whatever happened there… it was kind of tonally inconsistent with what came later, as they were kind of feeling their way through it and hadn’t found the show’s real voice yet. Gandolfini didn’t have the Tony accent down nearly as well as he would a year later when they started filming the rest of S1, after he’d had a lot more dialogue coaching. And that scene where Fr. Intintola and Carmela hear a noise outside the house, and Carmela goes into a room and comes back out with an AK-47, I have always found especially jarring. As was the almost slapstick-comedy scene when Chris and Tony run the guy down with their car in broad daylight, in front of dozens of people. But, better things were coming. I feel like S1 E2 was fantastic and the season got even better with every single episode. Anyway, four dollahs a pound.
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Dec 26, 2022 03:46
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The pilot is like, a goofy comedy about gangsters compared to what comes after. It's a very funny show from start to finish but it's hard to imagine the pilot going to those extremely dark places the show gets to.
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Dec 26, 2022 04:19
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S6 in the style of the first ep. "AJ? He's good. He had Lincoln log sandwiches." Cut to AJ jumping in the pool with a brick.
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Dec 26, 2022 05:06
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MrMojok posted:The pilot, whatever happened there… it was kind of tonally inconsistent with what came later, as they were kind of feeling their way through it and hadn’t found the show’s real voice yet. I know someone else here said it earlier, but even the Tony narration stuff in S1E1 is only in that episode. I guess the original concept is that Dr. Melfi was being used as a framing device? Like every episode was Tony talking to her, telling her the 'events' of the episode?
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Dec 26, 2022 21:12
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Pilot Tony sounded a lot like Kevin Finnerty imo
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Dec 26, 2022 21:22
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I watched College the other night, picking up on a long derailed rewatch, and I'm sure during one of the phone booth conversations Tony pronounces Aprille "a-pril-lee"
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Dec 27, 2022 01:23
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Your Gay Uncle posted:Sopranos pilot. I liked it ! Tonally it is nowhere near what the show would become. The whole first season suffers a bit, they didn't quite find their rhythm until the very end of it.
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I kind of think when it really takes off, is S1E5 “College”
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The tone and structure of the pilot make a lot of sense within the context of American Television circa 1997. HBO was still just sort of trying to do "Network TV, But With Cusses and Tits," so it makes sense that it was pitched/filmed as an R-rated take on weird, outlier dramedies like Northern Exposure or Picket Fences. "It's a serious show about both crime and domestic dramas, with life-or-death stakes for everybody involved, but there's also lots of setup-punchline gags, and the whole thing is shot through with pitch-black, bone-dry satire" was gonna be a hard sell in that era, even to a pay cable network looking to take a shot on something unusual. Taking it broad let Chase get the big ideas across so they could get that series order and find their footing as they went along.
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I always liked how the damage to the car after they hit the guy consisted of the front headlight being carefully unscrewed and left hanging.
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Ugh, that poor bastard Vito runs into. 
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JethroMcB posted:The tone and structure of the pilot make a lot of sense within the context of American Television circa 1997. HBO was still just sort of trying to do "Network TV, But With Cusses and Tits," so it makes sense that it was pitched/filmed as an R-rated take on weird, outlier dramedies like Northern Exposure or Picket Fences. "It's a serious show about both crime and domestic dramas, with life-or-death stakes for everybody involved, but there's also lots of setup-punchline gags, and the whole thing is shot through with pitch-black, bone-dry satire" was gonna be a hard sell in that era, even to a pay cable network looking to take a shot on something unusual. Taking it broad let Chase get the big ideas across so they could get that series order and find their footing as they went along. Now that you mention it, running somebody over while a doowop song is playing does feel more like Arli$$ than The Sopranos. I think Chase has said that's one thing he regrets specifically.
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Dawgstar posted:Now that you mention it, running somebody over while a doowop song is playing does feel more like Arli$$ than The Sopranos. I think Chase has said that's one thing he regrets specifically. I always got goodfellas vibes from some of the backing music choices in the pilot; although, the show is full of goodfellas vibes for unrelated reasons so maybe that's just spilling over
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Yeah, the pilot and only the pilot has a vibe of "what if Goodfellas was Analyze This" though it was in production basically simultaneously with Analyze This so it's less of a direct inspiration and more of the whole "everybody's in therapy these days" vibe of the 90s applied to mob movies.
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Dec 29, 2022 22:10
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With the first season and especially the pilot you can see a lot of jokes coming. After that most laughs were completely out of loving nowhere.
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Dec 29, 2022 22:24
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"Analyse Dis? It's a fuckin comedy!" 
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Telling people that Sopranos is my favorite woke tv show leads to some fun conversations.
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I'm an outlier because I think seasons 1-4 are fantastic but after that the show gets a bit too pretentious and art house-y. Still funny mind you, but seasons 5 / 6a / 6b lack a grimey street crime element imo. e : basically, I want it pulpy Another Bill fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Dec 30, 2022 |
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Pope Corky the IX posted:With the first season and especially the pilot you can see a lot of jokes coming. After that most laughs were completely out of loving nowhere. "MY PIZZA NEVER HURT NOBODY!"
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Another Bill posted:I'm an outlier because I think seasons 1-4 are fantastic but after that the show gets a bit too pretentious and art house-y. Still funny mind you, but seasons 5 / 6a / 6b lack a grimey street crime element imo. Most pretentious/art-housey moment is probably when Gerry Torciano gets whacked.
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I think those later seasons are necessary in shoving all the slime in your face like "THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE BEEN ROOTING FOR ALL THIS TIME". (Not to say that the Sopranos ever pretended like its characters were good guys, but they certainly feel seedier as the show goes on.) People still missed the entire point of the show despite it basically screaming at you "this piece of poo poo DESERVES to get his brains splattered in front of his family at a diner and he didn't deserve the honor of you getting to watch the spectacle!" A lot of shows have tried to replicate that transition but I don't think any have pulled it off as well. Breaking Bad got pretty close but still went and introduced literal neo Nazis so we could root for Walt at the end while he got a big badass ending. And Barry just went all in on him being an unsympathetic monster with the third season without easing us into it (a good decision imo).
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MokBa posted:The pilot is like, a goofy comedy about gangsters compared to what comes after. It's a very funny show from start to finish but it's hard to imagine the pilot going to those extremely dark places the show gets to. im the guy that shamelessly recommends this show to everyone and I don't want to do the whole star trek thing of "just wait until season 5 that's when it gets really good." I just tell them the truth. that sopranos makes breaking bad look like beverly hills 90210.
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Another Bill posted:I'm an outlier because I think seasons 1-4 are fantastic but after that the show gets a bit too pretentious and art house-y. Still funny mind you, but seasons 5 / 6a / 6b lack a grimey street crime element imo. Personally, I only like the seasons with *some* pulp PerilPastry fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Dec 30, 2022 |
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Astrochicken posted:im the guy that shamelessly recommends this show to everyone and I don't want to do the whole star trek thing of "just wait until season 5 that's when it gets really good." I just tell them the truth. that sopranos makes breaking bad look like beverly hills 90210. I don't know about all that now. I probably like Sopranos better overall but consider both shows somewhere in my top 5 or 10 all timers along with The Wire, Silicon Valley, Better Call Saul, Daredevil and Six Feet Under. BCS I could argue is better than Breaking Bad.
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I'm cautiously dipping my toe in here since I'm watching the show for the first time and I'm about halfway through season 5. Does anybody have any insight into the rights/clearances situation with all the songs and movies that get used as background material in the show? There's a lot of songs per episode, and I have to figure by like season 3 or 4 DVDs were a big enough seller that everybody was aware that it was going to cost them more to license them for the home release. Most of the movies they pick are older stuff, but certainly all stuff that's still in copyright. Did HBO have some kind of sweetheart deal with the licensed stuff or was this just the first show they were willing to drop a huge amount of money on?
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Astrochicken posted:im the guy that shamelessly recommends this show to everyone and I don't want to do the whole star trek thing of "just wait until season 5 that's when it gets really good." I just tell them the truth. that sopranos makes breaking bad look like beverly hills 90210. It occurred to me just now how jarring it would be to show someone the pilot, say "that led to this", and start "Join the Club"
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The  copy of S1 I watched years ago had all the licensed music replaced with royalty-free stock music. It was terrible lolAlso interesting to remember that David Chase wanted a different song to intro each episode instead of Woke Up This Morning. That's not how TV works, David!
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Futanari Damacy posted:The  There has to be a show that's done that before. A teen drama or something that drops a different pop song under the title each episode.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:With the first season and especially the pilot you can see a lot of jokes coming. There's also some sitcom-y plotlines in Season 1, where they're still clearly having fun with the concept of "Mobsters, but casual." Like having an episode where the starting point is, essentially, "These Soccer Dads would kill for their team to have a winning season - literally!" Futanari Damacy posted:Also interesting to remember that David Chase wanted a different song to intro each episode instead of Woke Up This Morning. That's not how TV works, David! Leftovers Season 3 used different intro music for each episode to great effect
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Randallteal posted:
Girls and Atlanta did this albeit I think you only heard a tiny piece of the song over title cards. Still, even going out on different credits songs must have been novel enough when Sopranos first aired, if not totally unprecedented
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To me it seems more like one of those ideas like Tracy's picture morphing into Meadow's that were smarter to leave out
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Rochallor posted:I'm cautiously dipping my toe in here since I'm watching the show for the first time and I'm about halfway through season 5. I don't know any specifics, but HBO being a Warner Bros subsidiary, I'm guessing they probably had some sort of deal with Warner Music Group about free use or reduced rates or whatever.
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By the time the Sopranos aired HBO was purchasing rights in perpetuity for all possible media in the future. In the past shows (WKRP in Cincinnati being a perfect example) got hosed with on music rights because the very idea of reruns, VHS/DVD, streaming, etc didn’t exist, so there was no way to get something like that into a contract. And the Sopranos still had issues trying to get the rights to some music. Apparently a specific Beatles song Chase wanted for the sixth season would’ve cost $400k to license in perpetuity.
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There’s a episode of Talking Sopranos where they have the music guy on and he goes into how HBO let them use a significant amount of the budget on music and had a lot of foresight about DVD and home media and paid up front for those things before shows on DVD really blew up.
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