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the other plausible theory is that the "view counter" is counting the number of times the tweet is fetched from the backend store, so internal twitter systems for analysis or search indexing or whatever could run up the number that would explain the phantom views on locked accounts with no followers
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ymgve posted:The whole discussion started because someone noticed their blocked account gained views on a tweet no one else could have seen, so if that's true they definitely count multiple hits from the same IP and/or account. The question then isn't "are they doing it" which is what you seem to be trying to argue against, but "why are they doing it" which is what I'm trying to argue. High view counts give the poster an endorphin rush, encouraging them to stay on Twitter, posting more content.
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Dec 26, 2022 05:04
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Devils Affricate posted:Why are stories of Teslas failing to handle freezing weather trending now? That poo poo has been happening since the first Model S. The narrative is now that Musk is an idiot, so nobody is memory-holing information that doesn't fit their biases anymore
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Dec 26, 2022 05:05
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Imo you should be able to cash in likes and views for valuable prizes, carny style.
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putin is a oval office posted:Fingerprinting impressions has got almost nothing to do with IP address lol. And no it doesn't because your fingerprint is already stored for a multitude of other poo poo. Every company interested in analytics has our digital fingerprint already. and you think these fingerprints take more less data to store than a single int?
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Dec 26, 2022 05:07
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Tunicate posted:and you think these fingerprints take more less data to store than a single int? Yeah, what he doesn't get is that while the fingerprint is pretty small, storing every single one as it happens so that you can eliminate duplicate views is loving huge. It's users* number of tweets they have ever seen. Twitter isn't doing that, there's no big table storing every tweet every user has ever seen
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Dec 26, 2022 05:09
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theflyingorc posted:The narrative is now that Musk is an idiot, so nobody is memory-holing information that doesn't fit their biases anymore isnt there that dude who works on tesla rich who made alot videos about the issues? gently caress i remember a news story from years ago about a dude who bought a tesla and worked on it himself and said someething like its put together like legos
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ymgve posted:The whole discussion started because someone noticed their blocked account gained views on a tweet no one else could have seen, so if that's true they definitely count multiple hits from the same IP and/or account. The question then isn't "are they doing it" which is what you seem to be trying to argue against, but "why are they doing it" which is what I'm trying to argue. No actually I was quite clear, I asked "is there any reason to think this" and no one cited the example you just did. That's exactly the kind of information I was asking for, thank you. I still think it's more likely that the blocked account unintentionally received impressions than the other way around, but that's a different thing. putin is a cunt fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Dec 26, 2022 |
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Tunicate posted:and you think these fingerprints take more less data to store than a single int? They are already stored. For other uses, they don't need to store any new data for impressions other than perhaps a foreign key (an int) to the correct fingerprint.
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Dec 26, 2022 05:20
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theflyingorc posted:Yeah, what he doesn't get is that while the fingerprint is pretty small, storing every single one as it happens so that you can eliminate duplicate views is loving huge. It's users* number of tweets they have ever seen. Jesus that is not how any of this works, the fingerprint isn't stored against every impression lol The fingerprint is CHECKED before the impression is stored.
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Dec 26, 2022 05:21
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putin is a oval office posted:No actually I was quite clear, I asked "is there any reason to think this" and no one cited the example you just did. That's exactly the kind of information I was asking for, thank you. I still think it's more likely that the blocked account unintentionally received impressions than the other way around, but that's a different thing. Actually I was wrong, the banned account that gained views were a few days ago (too lazy to look for it in the 1000 pages since then) but this time it was someone that claimed that just bot-refreshing doubled their view count without any special tricks, from the same IP https://twitter.com/tezawaly/status/1606100532120227840
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putin is a oval office posted:They are already stored. For other uses, they don't need to store any new data for impressions other than perhaps a foreign key (an int) to the correct fingerprint. so is that more or less data than one int per tweet?
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ymgve posted:Actually I was wrong, the banned account that gained views were a few days ago (too lazy to look for it in the 1000 pages since then) but this time it was someone that claimed that just bot-refreshing doubled their view count without any special tricks, from the same IP Again, I'm not saying it's not wrong, I'm saying that dupe counts are unlikely to be the reason. It'll be bots and poo poo like that. This supports that, because his refresh should have bumped it up by one, not doubled it. People are posting at me like I'm backing up Elon here but I'm not. It's a patently stupid metric to use for what he's using it for. But this kind of deduplication of visitors is commonplace, well understood and easily implemented in analytics. And Twitter absolutely would have had a dedicated analytics team pre-Elon. I know you guys think I'm full of poo poo though so I'll bow out, I didn't mean to cause such a big derail, my apologies.
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repiv posted:the other plausible theory is that the "view counter" is counting the number of times the tweet is fetched from the backend store, so internal twitter systems for analysis or search indexing or whatever could run up the number View counter is probably just (significantly) delayed / eventually consistent like YouTube’s.
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^^^ lmao check out this Musk lover
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Teratrain posted:How do you mispronounce twat  "It's pronounced 'Thwaite'."
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so if this is still the thread to talk about twitter's slow decay... the sports games they highlight usually has a box score when you click through to the page in trending topics. it no longer actually updates with the score but instead is just frozen, telling you what time the game starts. so even though grizzlies/warriors already ended, on the twitter page for it it just says, starts at 5PM (PST).
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bird with big dick posted:^^^ lmao check out this Musk lover As the person who registered http://lowtax.express I assure you I do not love the Elon
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Jelly posted:I think in the spirit of Christmas, despite the GBS mod having the quicker trigger, it would be nice if he was still awarded a Mariah Carey image. I got one after they got off their lazy rear end (or waited for the first to expire, no concurrent sentences, which I admire).
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Escape Goat posted:As the person who registered http://lowtax.express I assure you I do not love the Elon  , but also reported for doxxing
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putin is a oval office posted:Again, I'm not saying it's not wrong, I'm saying that dupe counts are unlikely to be the reason. It'll be bots and poo poo like that. This supports that, because his refresh should have bumped it up by one, not doubled it. Just another data point, I literally just took a tweet from a random nobody account posted over a day ago from 28 views to over 100 views, simply by refreshing in Firefox for some minutes. You can do this experiment yourself! They clearly count multiple hits from the same IP, hell even the same tracking cookies! (It doesn't update instantly though, only once per minute or so. Also I think ad blockers might interfere with whatever they use to count hits) ymgve fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Dec 26, 2022 |
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Strong Sauce posted:so if this is still the thread to talk about twitter's slow decay... the sports games they highlight usually has a box score when you click through to the page in trending topics. it no longer actually updates with the score but instead is just frozen, telling you what time the game starts. so even though grizzlies/warriors already ended, on the twitter page for it it just says, starts at 5PM (PST). Yup, it's borked  Interesting
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Was there more context to why elon was apparently flying around the west coast and plugging or unplugging twitter servers?
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I think he's just tearing all the copper wiring out of the walls so he can sell it to a guy he knows.
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I'm just disappointed that the stock market is closed tomorrow so we have to wait until Tuesday for some more financial LOLs. That's not to say Musk won't post something stupid tomorrow, that's already a given.
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rotinaj posted:Was there more context to why elon was apparently flying around the west coast and plugging or unplugging twitter servers? Purely a cost saving exercise with no knowledge at all of how important those costs were.
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Like my dad driving two towns over to save a cent on gas
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He wrote some payment platform decades ago that was so poorly coded that it had to be scrapped and rewritten yet he thinks that proves his place as a software engineer in 2022.
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Lol, the next OFAC scan is due on 12/27 and there's no way Elon has anyone in charge of scanning the Twitter customer base for sanctioned entity trade violations vis a vis blue check subs
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I slightly worry about suggesting to Lonnie that "laminated windshields don't shower you in glass shards, unlike door windows" without telling him that they're supposed to do that to allow you a way out instead of trapping you in the car, because he's dumb enough to make that poo poo mandatory. But only slight worry because if you're paying good money for a Tesla after all this, you kinda deserve to let the car kill you, HAL-style.
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I just watched Glass Onion and was impressed that Rian Johnson had clocked Elon as a complete moron well before it became absolutely blindingly obvious judging by when he would have written the script. Rian if you post here show yourself
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priznat posted:I just watched Glass Onion and was impressed that Rian Johnson had clocked Elon as a complete moron well before it became absolutely blindingly obvious judging by when he would have written the script. He would have started the script years after Elon got in a public slapfight with a volunteer rescue diver who had gently told him to stay in his lane after he proposed using submersible coffins to ferry kids out of a flooded cave, so it's not anything particularly visionary, just having his eyes open.
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Top Kek Elon Very cool
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repiv posted:the other plausible theory is that the "view counter" is counting the number of times the tweet is fetched from the backend store, so internal twitter systems for analysis or search indexing or whatever could run up the number that's exactly the sort of bug that i have caused multiple times so checks out
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SonOfGhostDad posted:Lol, the next OFAC scan is due on 12/27 and there's no way Elon has anyone in charge of scanning the Twitter customer base for sanctioned entity trade violations vis a vis blue check subs i would love you to elaborate for those of us who are not the correct kind of wizard
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